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[To]: Hector Cynum, Autocrat of Auril
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| Kanzad_Shirnoq | Date: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 10:59 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Commodore Cynum,
I have received some troubling news at this time in which it would seem that Auril Sector forces have engaged in an unlawful attack upon the planet of Lorrd within the Lorrd System. If this is true, I intend to see the attacker(s) in this issue tried under the grounds provided by Article II, sections I and II of the Intra-Imperial Relations Act and, if damage is found to be done to the Cardan-IV station present, I will push Article I of the Space Dock Vandalism, Arson and Sabotage Act.
Be advised, Commodore, I am sending an Imperial vessel to solve this issue between your forces and those of Lorrd. The Kanz Sector has seen a number of issues lately and I greatly dislike anything that can interfere with the productivity of my worlds. The Vianists currently deported to Lorrd II were transported by my edict and I will see that things stay this way until I decide what is to be done with them.
Regards,
Kanzad Shirnoq
Moff, Kanz Sector
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| Hector_Cynum | Date: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 11:18 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Your Moffledom, Sir.
Only the initial use of force requires notification. As such, in murdering a child of the Blood of Tion, Lorrd first transgressed the rules of war (killing a civilian) as well as committing an act of war. My Sector Governor (Moff Manfred Winder) seemed pretty clear to me that it was reasonable and appropriate to respond to the use of force with force.
There is a phenonenon in the Tionese Worlds, called the rough music.
Quote ( Senator Hubert Ordan's "Cultures of the Outer Rim, Volume IX" ) Despite indulging in a good deal of nosiness and gossip, rural folk far from the purview of policemen and magistrates tend toward minding their own business and living and letting live. This is until the lack of policemen and magistrates encourages someone to exceed the reasonable bounds of social behavior and make himself such a danger or annoyance to his neighbours or such an affront to their sense of decency that there is a sudden shift of opinion toward retribution. It is then that the offender needs policemen and magistrates, for the outraged mob is seldom as merciful as the Laws that rule more populous areas. This lynch-law or vigilantism may be a crude but effective justice or a tragic injustice; it is not governed by reason and the mob mentality is seldom interested in proof or a fair trial.
Vianists who are of my blood are my responsibility, I will take them away and out of your parview and see they are re-educated appropriately - but the Blood of the Tionese Settlers is not to be wasted as Lorrd is; my own ninth cousin lost her baby in these deportations - and blood demands blood.
If we're allowed access to the Vianists to pull out our own, then we'll leave.
Commodore Hector "Igor" Cynum
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| Kanzad_Shirnoq | Date: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 11:45 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Commodore,
I'll be quite frank with you as you are trying my patience right now. Firstly, I don't care about the blood of Tion if it's in a Vianist body. The Empire has deemed Vianists a threat and wants them removed. As such, I want them removed and how it's done was left to the choice of those worlds with Vianists upon them. As such, with no notification from your Moff and no notification from yourself, being as I do not see Lorrdian deaths transgressing any rules of war as they are Lorrdian citizens and not citizens of Tion or the Auril Sector, this is not a valid use of force argument.
Once again, and I'll put it more simply to you this time, Commodore, I don't care about your damned blood feud and I don't give a damn about the Vianists. If the Lorrdians want to give them to you, then it's less in my hair, but you will desist in attacking the Lorrdians and you will withdraw out of the Lorrd System until this is resolved or so help me, I will settle this and consider this an assault on the Kanz Sector itself. Do not cross me on this, Commodore. Come to Kelm and we will work out this issue together, without disturbing the productivity of my sector.
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Kanzad Shirnoq
Moff, Kanz Sector
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| Manfred_Winder | Date: Saturday, 08 Dec 2012, 11:53 PM | Message # 4 |
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Lets cut the bollocks Shirnoq, I know the Lorrdians are your pets but if they're being this messy about a simple genocide operation (why did anyone find out about it?) then they've got something coming to them.
First use of force seems to have been established to my satisfaction from Lorrd. Lorrd has broken the law and must be punished by whatever means is most amusing.
Don't worry, I'm lead to believe there won't be extensive damage. It's more just posturing really - let him have his cousin and he'll leave you chaps alone.
Manfred Winder
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| Kanzad_Shirnoq | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 0:01 AM | Message # 5 |
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Moff Winder,
This genocide, regardless of how you look at it, was at my orders across the Kanz Sector to deal with and remove the Vianist threat quickly and efficiently. My orders came straight from Imperial Center, from the top, and I'll say further that they came from the Grand Vizier. Lorrd broke no law considering where the edict came from. If there were death's in your man's family, then such happens. Within my sector though, I try to keep the violence to a minimum, especially since this Argazdan-Lorrdian conflict has just ended and on top of it, I have a true genocide to field with public relations because of that crazed Sipsk'ud ruler.
I don't tell you how to run the Auril Sector, Winder, but I'm putting an end to this. As far as I'm concerned, your man can take all the Vianists right down to the just-born children and I'll sleep all the better at night knowing those fanatics are out of my territory. However, it won't be done at the cost of my sector's blood and loss of valuable equipment and resources.
Kanzad Shirnoq
Moff, Kanz Sector
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| Hector_Cynum | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 0:33 AM | Message # 6 |
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| I've moved my forces away to rescue the poor unfortunates on the Moon. My other ships were on pre-determined attack courses on the Lorrdian docks and the Lorrdian Capital vessel, I believe they ought to have been destroyed by now.
I've got the Alsakan ships coming in within ten minutes to secure the pickup. I think you'll be quite ameliorated by the fact I'm just going to try and rescue my people and get the hell out of this hellhole of a system.
Unfortunately, since Lorrd spilled first blood, until they grant us satisfaction, while we may agree to a cease fire, we do not agree to a binding peace until our problems with Lorrd are resolved.
Commodore Hector "Igor" Cynum
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| Manfred_Winder | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 0:42 AM | Message # 7 |
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Kanzad,
I think just having them quietly offed with poison or blades in the night might've been more subtle. What we did in our Sector was just one night get all the Cronese drunk and butcher them - now all my Citizens are Tionese and we have little ethnic problem at all. Perhaps you should consider sanctioning some minor fratricide in the interest of the greater good?
The Sipsk'ud Ruler, now he seems like a decent loyal subject. Had you considered awarding the man some Civilian honour? He seems to realize which way the winds blow and recognizes his superiors - we need more aliens like him, and more who will follow Imperial orders with such zeal and detail. His "genocide" was exemplary (I hear he is up for an award from one of the Anti-Alien Groups for his work).
Don't you think it's an outright breach of well... decency.. to have a shared station IFFed as Lorrd? I'm going to instruct that Hector will bear no responsibility for this irresponsibly marked station.
However!
Had you considered a conflict with outsiders might help unite your Sector against sectionalism? He's got an Alsakan Peace Corps Highliner waiting outside the system full to the gunnels with Embarilite refugees and ready to take off these troublesome Vianists (he's planning to just have them raped into submission here I gather) who are of Tionese blood (a couple of thousand I gather).
Yours sincerely,
Manny WinderAdded (09 Dec 2012, 0:42 AM)
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Kanzad,
I think just having them quietly offed with poison or blades in the night might've been more subtle. What we did in our Sector was just one night get all the Cronese drunk and butcher them - now all my Citizens are Tionese and we have little ethnic problem at all. Perhaps you should consider sanctioning some minor fratricide in the interest of the greater good?
The Sipsk'ud Ruler, now he seems like a decent loyal subject. Had you considered awarding the man some Civilian honour? He seems to realize which way the winds blow and recognizes his superiors - we need more aliens like him, and more who will follow Imperial orders with such zeal and detail. His "genocide" was exemplary (I hear he is up for an award from one of the Anti-Alien Groups for his work).
Don't you think it's an outright breach of well... decency.. to have a shared station IFFed as Lorrd? I'm going to instruct that Hector will bear no responsibility for this irresponsibly marked station.
However!
Had you considered a conflict with outsiders might help unite your Sector against sectionalism? He's got an Alsakan Peace Corps Highliner waiting outside the system full to the gunnels with Embarilite refugees and ready to take off these troublesome Vianists (he's planning to just have them raped into submission here I gather) who are of Tionese blood (a couple of thousand I gather).
Yours sincerely,
Manny Winder
Manfred Winder
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| Kanzad_Shirnoq | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 0:58 AM | Message # 8 |
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| Manny,
I can't simply order some three thousand people 'offed with poison or blades' in the night. That's far more subtle, true, but then the Lorrdians would be as bad as the Sipsk'ud; cooking their own people and offering them up for sale. Your methods to deal with the Cronese are not my methods in dealing with the Vianists. I'll see to it that the Chief Coach gets some form of award... strange bastard that he is. There's an extent and there's an extent, if you get what I mean, and I fear he went far, far beyond what I'd asked for. It's not my job to fathom how aliens think in all matters though.
As for the Cardan-IV station at Lorrd, that is a joint venture as vessels of my fleet have been known to utilize it for repairs when the need arises. As such, I maintain a small Imperial presence there for both morale and defense. By all means, clear your man from attacking an Imperial station and as long as Imperial casualties are in a very minimum, I will consider not pursuing it.
This conflict as it stands is too much upon the existing conflicts and (relative) harmony the sector had. As for the Alsakans... I don't trust those meddling folk. As for your Embarilite folks, I'd rather not have an influx of refugees into the sector at this time. I'll consider the offer though. It may help in the future. For now though, tell your man to withdraw. If he's still there when my ship arrives... then may the Emperor have mercy on him.
Warm regards,
Kanzad Shirnoq
Moff, Kanz Sector
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| Hector_Cynum | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 1:14 AM | Message # 9 |
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| Not me
Commodore Hector "Igor" Cynum
Commanding Officer of the Auril Sector Union Navy
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| Manfred_Winder | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 1:16 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Kanzad,
I've had a bottle of Murkhana Meade dispatched to you, it's brewed by aliens but I am sure you will find it as palletable as I. A mere three thousand? You could poison them overnight and attribute it to a bug in the water.
If this conflict is to drag on, we really ought to set them a list of rules of engagements and combat zones. Had you thought of bidding for some godawful world like Alurion?
Casualties happen, I think it's pretty irresponsible (and bad form frankly) to allow Imperial Staff to mix with the local rabble, they lose that sense of awe and detachment if they're too embedded. I think the Cardan station may end up being taken apart unfortunately, but so long as your people are diligent in their evacuation drills then I doubt there ought to be too many casualties from this.
The Alsakans under their current Government are well intentioned do-gooders, easily piloted in whichever direction is convenient, but you should bear in mind their world is the joint first largest market in the Core - it would be ill-advised to disaffect their trade as a shutdown of Alsakan shipping to any given Sector would be as significant as a shutdown of Imperial Center shipping - got to keep the old eye back on Mother Core to see where the power really lies.
Frankly, the Alsakans are idealists but extremely childlike in their ways, it's easy to draw their attention away by waving veils. While they do have one of the largest merchant fleets in the Core, they're not difficult to placate with gentle, liberal sounding words, a glass of beer and a snarf of spice. I've invited their Journalistic Corps to establish on my Capital, much less trouble that way. I just see to it they get a free supply of sedative smokable plants and they seem to spend much of their time on the holonet, eating or smoking said plants.
Seriously, just give them as much Torve Weed as they want, and they just sit around their office and don't write - issuing them with foodstuffs and beanbags has proven to be an excellent strategy too. Either way they're a lot less hassle to have inside the tent pissing out.
Fraternally,
Manny
Manfred Winder
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| Kanzad_Shirnoq | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 1:24 AM | Message # 11 |
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| Manfred,
Are you referring to this brief spat between the Auril Sector forces and the Lorrdians? If so, I don't see any point in it. I thank you for and accept the bottle of mead; I'm sure it will do well with a dinner. As for Alurion? Perish the thought. There's no real profit in it for me and I'm content with the worlds of the Kanz Sector. Plenty to work with what I have.
If the Lorrdians do loose their station, I suppose I'll have to grant them rights to build another station. As for what constitutes bad form, well, Manny, I'd say it's just as bad form to let loose your rabid man in my sector without as much as a by-your-leave before you conduct operations.
The Alsakans... well, they are idealists and I don't intend to shut down their trade lines; they've done nothing ill in the Kanz Sector. Besides, the Kanz Sector has its own publication that's already effective. Nonetheless, it's food for thought, I suppose. Frankly though, I just can't stand their meddlesome attitude. Alas, it's a product of the times. There's days when I feel we'd all be better served if the Emperor dissolved the Senate.
Fraternally,
Kanzad Shirnoq
Moff, Kanz Sector
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| Manfred_Winder | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 2:24 AM | Message # 12 |
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| Kanzad,
I'd suggest putting your Imperial Personnel elsewhere in future - it's clearly a breach of protocol to have Imperial and Planetary Military forces cohabiting facilities. As for Alurion, I jest, too high a startup cost I fancy?
What you ought to be worried about is -them- shutting down your trade lines. Do you have any idea how many freighters operate on Alsakan Licenses? It's a popular "Flag World" for Merchantmen because of their reputation for impartiality and high standards.
I'm sure the Farce of a Senate will be swept away in due course.
Manfred Winder
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| Kanzad_Shirnoq | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 2:57 AM | Message # 13 |
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| Manfred,
I'll consider it. Separate dorms and whatnot prevent cohabitation where necessary. And Alurion? It's not the start-up cost, it's the lack of anything truly viable in my eyes to do with the world. I may think of a few things if it meets my fancy though.
If push comes to shove, I'll deal with Alsakan as need be. I've had enough of this tonight, I must say. rather tiring business.
As for the Senate... we can only hope, eh?
Kanzad Shirnoq
Moff, Kanz Sector
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