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Purchase of designs
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Wednesday, 19 Jan 2011, 1:47 AM | Message # 1 |
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| Ok, I'm running this through Management because it is easier than trying to RP it out: After careful searches of various companies and older designs, Sluis Van shipyards is willing to pay handsomely for: The Inexpungable-class tactical command ship from Rendili Hyperworks. The Hammerhead-class cruiser, also from Rendili Hyperworks. The Aurek tactical fighter, formerly owned by Republic Fleet Systems and now whose ownership is unknown. The S-250 Chela, also by Corellian Engineering Corporation. Lastly, the Foray-class blockade runner, by Republic Fleet Systems.
Toben Domon
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| Jory_Carson | Date: Wednesday, 19 Jan 2011, 6:13 PM | Message # 2 |
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| I am of the opinion that something like this (pending approval) should still be RPed out with the respective Shipyards. Vote: PENDING
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Thursday, 20 Jan 2011, 2:36 AM | Message # 3 |
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| Republic Fleet Systems was disbanded by the Senate just prior to the Clone Wars with its assets folded into the Republic Navy, which eventually became the Imperial Navy. I see no issue about either of those two designs largely because they are so outdated and ownership could be contested. I figured CEC would part with a solitary older design because their newer products and freighters make them more than enough money. It never mentions what happened to Rendili Hyperworks, but since we have no players that represent any of said companies, it seemed easier to go through Management than auto out the playing.
Toben Domon
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| Jory_Carson | Date: Wednesday, 26 Jan 2011, 7:17 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Right...I guess i should have clarrified my intentions. I have no problem with this happening but I would make it understood that should Management wish to, we could RP respective Shipyards if for no other reason than sheer RP value. Vote: APPROVE
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Friday, 28 Jan 2011, 8:58 AM | Message # 5 |
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| I vote to DENY all of these, I'm afraid. My reasoning is that these are ancient, ancient, ancient ships, and I'm assuming that at this time the designs for them would belong to either A.) the Republic/Empire, filed away somewhere, B.) some historical society or museum, or C.) the public, that is, in the public domain because none of the original patent holders are asserting their rights over these anymore. Another reason is that I'm stridently against ancient ships being produced in this time period, and thus against anything that might enable that to happen.
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Friday, 28 Jan 2011, 11:49 AM | Message # 6 |
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| If I might make one last plea for these designs? Certain companies such as CEC and Rendili Driveyards could conceivably still have plans somewhere. These ships are ancient, yes, but management has shown it is willing to let modifications (within reason) to be made to existing vessels designs. I've already drawn up several plans to redesign and modernize the above-listed craft using only the same hull base.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Jory_Carson | Date: Sunday, 06 Feb 2011, 2:01 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Looks like we need Karth to break our deadlock. I will give this request five days before weighing all arguments and making a final decision. Vote: PENDING
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Sunday, 06 Feb 2011, 3:06 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I appreciate that this is something you want to do, but it's also something you've wanted to do before (I think with Novak) and I was against it then, too. The reason why, in terms of OOC, is this RP just is not set in that time period, and those ships aren't appropriate to this one. In terms of IC, I also remember when this came up before that I felt, and still do, that it's vastly impractical and thus illogical to spend the time and resources to take a pen to thousands-year-old designs and painstakingly modernize them instead of just designing a new ship. We don't see old ironsides in use on the seas today, for good reason. It's absurd. I'm not trying to offend you here, but I know that every so often you and I and anyone can have an idea of something that would be cool and we can go to truly absurd lengths to make it happen, and I feel as manager I need to call it what it is and burst the bubble, as it were. Sometimes an outsider's honest perspective helps. So yes, I'm sorry but I do feel this is absurd, and while these ships would be appropriate for some other RP, this isn't that RP. To me, it goes back to the Hellraiser debate; namely, if I'm a member here, I did not join an RP that's set in the ancient Republic era, and I did not consent to RP with elements from that era and nor should I be required to any more than I should be required to RP with a Yuuzhan Vong or, yes, the dude from Hellraiser. With all that said, though, I think I would be okay approving maybe one ancient ship that's been modernized, as a sort of flagship for a character. But I still feel strongly that the designs should not be disseminated and the ships should not be manufactured plurally for the above reasons.
Jace Varitek
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Sunday, 06 Feb 2011, 3:12 PM | Message # 9 |
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| That is a legit reason Jace. My point came from the talk we had about designing my own vessels and 'publishing' them through Sluis Van shipyards. Due to the time constraints I have these days between work and family, I don't have the ability to do such and devote large chunks of time to anymore. I figured using some material that was already present in Star Wars and reworking it would be easier. I'm willing to set the designs aside though. If, as you mentioned, you would be willing to approve one re-worked ship design, I would take a single Hammerhead (remodeled) as Sluis Van's flagship for its defenses.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Monday, 07 Feb 2011, 8:41 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Sorry it's taken me so long to comment on this; just recently lost my best friend to a car crash and between that, work, school and sickness I've not been able to post much. Unfortunately for Toben, I'm going to agree with Jace on this one, it's no secret that he and I see eye-to-eye on this issue and it simply seems out of place for these ships (ancient as they are) to appear in the time we're set in. Though, as well as Jace, I'm not opposed to the Hammerhead being Sluis Van's flagship, as long as that's the only ship from the Kotor era that is constructed.
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| Jory_Carson | Date: Sunday, 13 Feb 2011, 10:41 AM | Message # 11 |
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| Looks like we have an approval for one ship then, and all parties agree...neat. 1 (one) Hammerhead
APPROVED
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