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Request for Zonju V Forces
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| Rhygar_Valencia | Date: Saturday, 25 Jun 2011, 6:13 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Now that I have the profile complete and up and working, I can make the official requests.
I won't ask for specific numbers of people at this time; primarily escorts and such.
4x Epicanthix- Rhygar's closest lieutenants who have been with him for quite some time (mentioned in profile)
1x Basilisk war droid- acquired as a 'pet'
1x Lictor-class dungeon ship OR Kiltirin-class dungeon ship- Acquired by theft and bribery; whichever ship is more acceptable, modifications will follow.
2x Kaloth-class battlecruisers- Escorts for the primary slaving vessel
1x Pelta-class frigate- Primary slaving vessel
24x HLAF-500 Starfighters- Loaded on the pair of Kaloth vessels
2x KR-TB 'Doomtreader' transports- For smaller slaving runs
2x TL-118 StarHammer and PB-950 patrol boat- Escorts for the KR-TB transports.
2x Interceptor-class frigates- Escorts for Rhygar's flagship
6x Pursuer-class enforcement ship
The Dragon of Zonju V
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Monday, 27 Jun 2011, 11:56 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Sorry about the delay. I'll post on this today.
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| Rhygar_Valencia | Date: Wednesday, 06 Jul 2011, 4:17 PM | Message # 3 |
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| So it's been more than a week. Does that mean I'm approved? 
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Wednesday, 06 Jul 2011, 5:21 PM | Message # 4 |
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| I worked for a grocery store for 3 or so years, and in almost all of that time I smiled and said nothing when a customer pointed out (sometimes in jest, sometimes not) that some item or another had the incorrect price on it or was in the wrong place, or something, and that "You have to give me the lower price, right?" The 'lower' price, also known as the wrong price (bear in mind, also, that customers would do this on purpose sometimes, to scam us). The exception to this was when, on what must have been a bad day for me, I couldn't take it anymore and abandoned my usual deference to the customer. "You know," I said, "there might have been a store at some point in history that did that once, but it's not something that we or any store has to do for you." Unhappiness ensued. I smoothed it over and gave her the price she was after, but I had let loose on the subject and felt better for having done so.
So, no you're not approved. lol. I'm not saying this is the same sort of situation, it just reminded me of it and I felt a story coming on. As for the request, I'll confess that I forgot, and I'm sorry. Now that I'm reminded though I will post on it later today. I just have some posts to get to presently before I start crunching numbers.
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Wednesday, 06 Jul 2011, 6:05 PM | Message # 5 |
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| You done goof'd, Jace.
I'm not too keen on the Basilisk (we've had incidents with them in the past that have been quite messy, if memory serves), so unless I change my mind before the end of the night I'll probably end up voting to deny that. I'll look up the rest of the list in a little while and get back to it, though.
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| OrionKarath | Date: Wednesday, 06 Jul 2011, 11:25 PM | Message # 6 |
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| I don't recall any issues with the Basilisk War Droid. Unless you're maybe thinking of back in the AGD days with Rauun? Although I think AGD was before your time... anyways, I've no problem with any of this and APPROVE the following:
4 Epicanthix
1 Basilisk war droid
1 Kiltirin-class dungeon ship
2 Kaloth-class battlecruisers
1 Pelta-class frigate
24 HLAF-500 Starfighters
2 KR-TB 'Doomtreader' transports
2 TL-118 StarHammers
2 PB-950 patrol boats
2 Interceptor-class frigates
6 Pursuer-class enforcement ships
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Thursday, 07 Jul 2011, 6:42 AM | Message # 7 |
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| I am indeed referring to Rauun. I was there for AGD's later days; I just wasn't as awesome back then and thus I wasn't as well-known. I'm also referring to the few debates we had over Basilisks during my old AGW management days; I recall Baird wanting one and we spent the better part of a few hours talking it out. Besides, Jaron, we all know you have no problem with large requests.
I'm just yanking your chain. I suppose one Basilisk wouldn't hurt, so long as it's the only one that Rhygar has.
I vote to APPROVE.
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| Rhygar_Valencia | Date: Thursday, 07 Jul 2011, 6:46 AM | Message # 8 |
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| Karth, I can only put it to you this way:
The US government trusts me with automatic weapons, explosives, rocket launchers and all sorts of destructive weaponry that could easily blow holes in things.
I have never once even suffered a negligent discharge.
In the face of that amazing logic, how can you object to one cute, cuddly Basilisk droid? I promise once I mate it and it has Basilisk puppies, you can have one. :P
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Thursday, 07 Jul 2011, 6:51 AM | Message # 9 |
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| Okay, I've been swayed.
I'm going to name it "Roscoe."
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| Rhygar_Valencia | Date: Saturday, 09 Jul 2011, 3:35 AM | Message # 10 |
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| 2x Kaloth-class battlecruisers-
- Add particle shielding
- Addition of eight (8) medium point defense laser cannons, bringing the total to twelve (12)
Lictor-class dungeon ship-
- Navigation system altered to hold standard amount of coordinates
- Crew requirements lowered to bare minimum of 370
- Cell area cut down from 8,000 standard to 3,000 standard and 1,000 special to 200 special
- Former holding areas reworked to hold power generators and turret equipment
- Addition of ten (10) dual turbolaser batteries
- Reinforced armor plating
Kiltirin-class dungeon ship-
- Crew lowered from 115 to 75
- Holding cells lowered from 1,250 to 300
- Former holding areas reworked to hold power generators and turret equipment
- Addition of six (6) turbolaser cannons
- Reinforced armor plating
( Note from Jace, I've moved this post into this thread to be considered together with this request in progress. )
The Dragon of Zonju V
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Sunday, 10 Jul 2011, 8:57 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Okay, so at long last I vote to APPROVE the following:
4 Epicanthix lieutenants
1 Kiltirin-class dungeon ship (on the condition that it's mostly stationary)
2 Kaloth-class battlecruisers
24 HLAF-500 Starfighters
2 KR-TB 'Doomtreader' transports
either
2 Interceptor-class frigates
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6 Pursuer-class enforcement ships
And I vote to DENY the following:
1 Basilisk war droid
1 Pelta-class frigate
I won't let go of my hostility to Basilisk war droids. At a time when I'm pretty sure all the same managers were presiding, Zuthus Bralor put in a request not for a Basilisk war droid in its original comic book form, not even for a Basilisk war droid in its much watered down KOTOR II version, which resembles a Star Viper starfighter, but rather a literal Star Viper starfighter with the computers configured to simulate for the pilot the riding of a Basilisk war droid. And this sad, sorry shade of the original Basilisk droid that's being requested here was denied, unanimously. This isn't Rhygar's fault, but I'm afraid the memories from AGD of a handful of Basilisks killing millions of people are still too vivid for me. I am against Basilisks in all conceivable forms.
And from my reading of the Pelta-class, I don't feel it's likely to have worked its way out of government hands and into someone like Rhygar's yet. Finally, please clarify for me; are you requesting 1 TL-118 and 1 PB-950, amounting to 2? Or are you requesting 2 of each? I wasn't clear on that.
Jace Varitek
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| OrionKarath | Date: Monday, 11 Jul 2011, 0:19 AM | Message # 12 |
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| I'm willing to go with Jace's new numbers, except I'm still willing to APPROVE the Basilisk War Droid.
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| Rhygar_Valencia | Date: Tuesday, 12 Jul 2011, 5:14 AM | Message # 13 |
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| I hate to be a pain, Jace, but I'd like to change and counter a thing or two.
For starters, I think I'd take the Lictor over the Kiltirin largely because the Lictor can be modified more on the grounds that it is indeed a larger vessel. For a design that's 'still in use four thousand years after its conception,' it seems quite possible that Rhygar could well have acquired one. We did speak about him paying tribute to the Hutts and whatnot; perhaps this was something purchased from them. Either way, it seems to make a foreboding flagship and mobile slaving base for a slaver.
Now, speaking strictly of the slave-carrying vessels and their escorts:
I am requesting a pair each of PB-950 and TL-118 StarHammer fighters. My belief behind this: both ships are relatively small and relatively 'light' craft, with the exception of the StarHammer. It's armament, I believe, is offset by its drawbacks and weaknesses. The PB-950, which I've used in the past, is decent, but not enough of a deterrent by itself or even in a pair to protect the lightly-armed Doomtreader craft. As a pair, they compliment each others' strengths and help offset weaknesses.
Now the Pelta; I can understand not a direct buy or theft from the Republic and the like. However, with Rhygar's ties to the C.I.S, I would hazard a guess it isn't impossible for them to have acquired one by one means or another and then sold it off to an interested party. I'm willing to cut back the weaponry on it as well, loath as I am to do so. It is the primary go-out-and-acquire slaves vessel; efficient and capable of larger runes. The Doomtreader shuttles, after all, I pictured more as for snatch and grab raids; the Pelta is for taking wares to the market and for large purchases.
I'm kinda stuck at a loss as why a choice between the Interceptor frigates or the Pursuer enforcement ships. With the dungeon vessel being what it is (large and slowish), I figured the frigates for a dedicated escort. It tends to get embarrassing when you loose something as valuable as that (especially for a slaver who is bucking for warlord at some point in the future). The downside of the frigates is a lack of snub craft. I mean, we could talk stats and the like all day, but they are damned invaluable. Hence, six enforcement ships? They're armed about the same as a Y-wing I think, and not all that hard to find.
i did think long and hard on vessels to compliment one another, after all.
As for the Basilisk droid, I haven't read much on a single one devastating worlds, but, much as it makes me want to cry, I might be able to see my way into letting that go.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 12 Jul 2011, 4:04 PM | Message # 14 |
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| I don't really have a strong feeling on the Kiltirin or Lictor. Orion's numbers said Kiltirin so I went with Kiltirin. I'm not particular about either of them. On the PB-950's and TL-118's, again I'm not particular. I just wanted to be sure how many you were requesting and I vote to APPROVE 2 of each, as Orion's numbers say. However, I'd like to reduce the number of HLAF's accordingly, to 20 rather than 24. My reasoning being that, despite the weaknesses of the TL-118's, they're comparable in armament to 4 HLAF's and thus the reduction—I'm wary about these all being used in concert with each other and I don't want to ask you not to use them in concert either, because you might need to.
As for the Pelta, I'm afraid I remain unconvinced. I don't see the Confederacy plausibly having better access to them than Rhygar or the Hutts. And as for the Pursuer-class and Interceptor-class, it's my opinion that having either of these would give you too many capital ships (on top of the Kaloths) or, alternatively, too many small/mid-size support craft (on top of the HLAF's and TL-118's). However, in my willingness to approve either/or, I've resigned myself to being okay with you having too many of one or the other. But not both, I just can't push myself that far.
Jace Varitek
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"When my information changes, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 12 Jul 2011, 4:09 PM | Message # 15 |
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| P.S. On the Pelta-class, might I suggest stealing one in the RP? It shouldn't be difficult. I think RimCo has a bunch of them at Sluis Van.
Jace Varitek
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"When my information changes, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"
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Furthermore, a dancing Wookiee:
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