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Ship modification request
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| Shiva | Date: Tuesday, 11 Oct 2011, 9:39 AM | Message # 1 |
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| With the successful conclusion of the 'Periscope Up' thread, I would request the following:
Before the Star Destroyer Iron Fist is turned over to the Libs, the following components would be removed-
- 2x Quad heavy turbolaser turrets
- 2x Dual heavy ion cannon turrets
- 3x Dual heavy turbolaser turrets
- 3x Triple medium turbolaser turrets
- 30x XX-9 heavy turbolasers
- 30x NK-7 ion cannons
- 1x Destroyer-1 ion engine
Naturally, as much of the operative components would be removed as well. The following process can take as much time as management deems necessary for the operation and will effectively place the Iron Fist and the Divine Shadow out of play for the duration of the upgrades. I would like to add the following to the Divine Shadow's weapon compliment, seeing as how the Providence-class is listed as being very modular in many regards-
- 2x Quad heavy turbolaser turrets
- 2x Dual ion cannon turrets
- 2x Dual heavy turbolaser turrets
- 1x Triple medium turbolaser turret
- 20x XX-9 Heavy turbolasers
- 20x NK-7 Ion cannons
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| OrionKarath | Date: Saturday, 15 Oct 2011, 9:54 PM | Message # 2 |
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| APPROVE
ETA of completion: one month from the final approval of the request
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| Shiva | Date: Saturday, 15 Oct 2011, 11:06 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Agreed, under the provision that should I die over here within that month, the ship is said to go down in a blaze of glory in which six Star Destroyers were destroyed as well.
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| OrionKarath | Date: Saturday, 15 Oct 2011, 11:18 PM | Message # 4 |
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| APPROVE of counter-stipulation. Death is however, DENIED.
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 3:57 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I'm alot more tentative on this than Jaron is, I guess.
Considering that Shiva already has the largest Separatist fleet in the known galaxy, coupled with the fact that he has a web of spies and the like that (somehow) allows him to be in a million places at once... (hyperbole there, but you know what I mean) having a ship with such a staggering amount of weaponry added on to it just seems to be throwing more kindling on the fire. The sheer amount of Ion cannons alone would make it one of the most powerful ships in the RP, and there's no guarantee that it won't be in multiple threads at once.
Idk, maybe if it was moored somewhere permanently, then I'd be okay with all these guns. But it's not, and I'm not.
So, while I APPROVE of what was done to the Iron Fist, I have to ask that you perhaps slim down the sheer volume of weapons added on to your ship.
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| OrionKarath | Date: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 4:19 PM | Message # 6 |
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| If I may... I was considering adding into this some sort of stipulation about the weaponry being a great strain upon the power systems of the ship. If he used this extra weaponry, it would decrease the power of the weapons... thus more range of fire, but same effect as before... or loss of shields... having to be immobile... something along those lines.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 4:53 PM | Message # 7 |
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| If there's a real drawback, like power having to be diverted from shields, then I'd be okay with it. As it stands now, however, I vote to DENY. I specify a real drawback because we've done power requirements detracting from the strength of the guns or the range, etc., but I don't recall it ever actually deterring anyone, in practice. Also, can you link us to the thread where the Iron Fist is captured? I trust Netan, but I've not caught up on the thread in recent weeks so I'd prefer to make extra sure the resistance of the Iron Fist was RP'd out thoroughly.
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| Shiva | Date: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 5:48 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I haven't looked at the fleet listings lately, but strictly speaking, Shiva only has three vessels, not counting the Red Mynocks on his payroll, and so far I've done my best to ensure that his ships are not used in conjunction with the Mynocks to try and keep things evened out. Although I haven't come out and said it in the RP, I've tried to play it out that the loss of Rinn actually hurt his contact network rather badly in some cases, which is why he sent envoys to Jamie, etc.
I kind of wanted to keep it a secret, but the reason I had Shiva appear on Rinn, Dantooine and then make the transmission calling the Empire to Tatooine was that I figured that, like Saddam Hussein, some body doubles would be useful. It's more in depth than that, but I'd rather let the rest come out through play.
If you compare the stats of the Invisible Hand:
- Heavy ion cannons (2)
- Quad turbolaser cannons (14)
- Dual laser cannons (34)
- Point-defense ion cannons (12)
- Proton torpedo tubes (102)
- Tractor beam projectors (8)
- Flak guns (12)
To a stock Providence-class, which is what Shiva has:
- Quad turbolaser battery
- Dual laser cannon batteries (3)
- Heavy ion cannons
- Point-defense ion cannon battery
- Proton torpedo launcher batteries (8)
You can see that the statistics are very different. The stock information is also very lacking, with the only comparison to numbers being listed as the Invisible Hand's. Basically I read this to mean that Shiva's ship currently had one quad turbolaser battery, 3 dual laser cannons, heavy ion cannons of an unknown number, but probably two, at least one point-defense ion cannon battery and 8 proton torpedo launchers.
Even with the addition of the equipment from the Iron Fist, even if I cut back the normal ion cannon and turbolaser cannons to 15 each, it's still easily outgunned by an Imperial-I-class Star Destroyer, and at least equivalent to the Invisible Hand's massive compliment of weapons, if not less in some ways due to a lack of tractor beams and much less proton torpedoes.Added (21 Oct 2011, 6:02 PM)
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And the thread is here. The weapon counts account for damages listed to the ship and batteries destroyed. Added (21 Oct 2011, 6:48 PM)
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Technically speaking, couldn't I also take the auxiliary reactor from the Iron Fist as well without compromising its use overmuch? I'm trying to be nice and pass something useful off to the Libs.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Friday, 21 Oct 2011, 6:11 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Well, about the Iron Fist.. If I'm Netan, or if I'm any of Netan's officers, and 1.) I know the Empire knows generally where we are even if we can't communicate with them, and 2.) the readings show practically no life forms on any of Shiva's ships, I'm far more likely to remain where I am and convince as many of the crew as I can to do the same until reinforcements show up. Again, if it was me, this would involve immediately fortifying the ship from the inside, setting up barricades and traps at crucial bottlenecks, etc. That, and cutting off communications with Shiva's ships so that no ultimatums or offers for clemency are received or overheard by the crew, the first, second, and third orders to them being resist, resist, resist. Though before I do I might broadcast to Shiva that Imperial reinforcements are expected at any moment, even if it's not true.
I'm not insisting that any of this happen, I'm just saying that if Netan had forfeited his post to me and I was approaching it in an impartial manner I'd be far more likely to pursue something like this rather than an improbably orderly surrender and evacuation of the ship, which is the most desirable possible outcome for Shiva. I don't mean to dwell on this, especially since this all happened days and days ago, but this is the page I'm on right now before I can get to talking about, secondly, weapons that have been salvaged from Netan's ship and, thirdly, OOC considerations about the strength of Shiva's ships relative to others, etc.
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| Shiva | Date: Saturday, 22 Oct 2011, 7:30 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Perhaps there is some truth to that, Jace, but there was also the fact that the Iron Fist was rather damaged and that Shiva wouldn't have hesitated to run all tubes against their stern and destroy the ship. While it may be honorable for a captain to go down with his ship and all, I'd point out the example of Self-styled Admiral Apwar Trigit.. When his Star Destroyer was badly damaged, he gave the order to evacuate and set a self destruct. Not saying Captain Netan would have done the same, but there are similarities. I'll admit Shiva does benefit, but so do the Libs.
Shiva
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 27 Oct 2011, 11:25 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Almost to this one...
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| Shiva | Date: Friday, 04 Nov 2011, 3:35 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Anything new here folks?
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Saturday, 05 Nov 2011, 10:18 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Does anyone else want to add anything while I'm looking this over for another day or so? Otherwise, yeah, I'll have a post on this tomorrow. But for now, the THON must go on.
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Monday, 07 Nov 2011, 12:52 PM | Message # 14 |
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| I'm good for now.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Wednesday, 09 Nov 2011, 10:26 PM | Message # 15 |
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| 1 Quad turbolaser battery (suppose 4 turbolasers in all)
■ 3 Dual laser cannon batteries
■ 2 Heavy ion cannons
■ 1 Point-defense ion cannon battery (?)
■ 8 Proton torpedo launcher batteries (suppose 2 launchers per battery, 16 launchers total)
■ 2 Quad heavy turbolaser turrets
■ 2 Dual ion cannon turrets
■ 2 Dual heavy turbolaser turrets
■ 1 Triple medium turbolaser turret
■ 20 XX-9 Heavy turbolasers
■ 20 NK-7 Ion cannons
So, this is what we're dealing with if the request is approved. It's a nightmare. So let's see what we get if I tidy it up a bit.
■ 16 Proton torpedo launchers
■ 26 Ion cannons (20 NK-7 ion cannons, 4 additional ion cannons, 2 heavy ion cannons)
■ 28 Heavy turbolasers (20 XX-9 heavy turbolasers, 8 additional heavy turbolasers)
■ 3 Medium turbolasers
■ 6 Laser cannons
Understood this way, I find it a lot more agreeable. But it adds up to more ion cannons than I'm comfortable with. 6 of those ion cannons are what we're assuming to be on the "stock" Providence-class design, and that's fine. But I'd like to slim down the number of NK-7's that you're adding to it—perhaps 10, from 20.
■ 16 Proton torpedo launchers
■ 16 Ion cannons (10 NK-7 ion cannons, 4 additional ion cannons, 2 heavy ion cannons)
■ 28 Heavy turbolasers (20 XX-9 heavy turbolasers, 8 additional heavy turbolasers)
■ 3 Medium turbolasers
■ 6 Laser cannons
Any more than this and I do think we're getting into doomship territory, which I'd prefer to avoid. Bear in mind, the proton torpedoes give this ship a leg up on pretty much every other capital ship out there; if we assume the rather conservative number of 3 torpedoes per launcher, that's 48 proton torpedoes that can be brought to bear. While much less than the Invisible Hand, it's still quite a lot. And having a lot of ion cannons would just make this ship a "thread-ender" as far as I'm concerned. So, I'll APPROVE of these numbers, which, minus 10 of the ion cannons, is basically everything you've requested.
Jace Varitek
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