Axum Interest Protection Squadron Upgrade and Refit

Senator_Ordan

Date: Wednesday, 11 Jan 2012, 2:56 AM | Message # 1

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Anaxes Interest Protection Squadron

In light of the massive profits made by the Interest Protection Squadron the Anaxsi government would move to upgrade it's capacity to maintain it as the premier military world of the Empire. Especially in light of small worlds such as Acherin now being able to project military power almost equal to the Interest Protection Squadron this pressure would be stepped up. Efficiency cuts would be made to adjust the force so that it is more suitable for the modern era and able to project Anaxsi power where it is needed anywhere in the Galaxy.

Current numbers:
Anaxes Interest Protection Squadron
■ Modified Victory I-class Star Destroyer Eagle
■ EF76 Nebulon-B Escort Frigate Hawk
■ Arquitens-class Light Cruiser Limiting Factor
■ 3 Assassin-class Corvettes (Kestrel, Shrike, Engrave)
■ 3 Imperial Customs Frigates (Euclidian, Oblique, Profit Margin)
■ Cardan IV-class Space Station Rock of Ages
■ Cardan V-class Space Station Mitre

Changes

To be removed/sold

Modified Victory I-class Star Destroyer Eagle - To be auctioned on the open market.

Arquitens-class Light Cruiser Limiting Factor

3 Imperial Customs Frigates (Euclidian, Oblique, Profit Margin)

New purchases
Imperial I-class Star Destroyer (to be named for the previous flagship "Eagle") Originally the Victory-class was chosen for the flagship because it was one of the more powerful ships available. Unfortunately it's now almost pedestrian and doesn't represent the cutting edge of the military machine (especially with tiny outer rim worlds having equivalents), thus the decision would be taken to purchase from KDY a new Imperial-class Star Destroyer fresh off the production lines. As the world is home of the Imperial Navy, it is likely that there would be few procedural problems. The idea would be that few other worlds could ever expect to afford and operate an Imperial-class, so making the fleet a little more "future proof". Thus the modified Victory-class would be replaced with an Imperial-class.

3x Imperial Escort Carriers - In order to bring the force more in line with Imperial doctrine the Escort carriers would replace the present reserve element of the Interest Protection Squadron. They would essentially serve as "TIE caddies".

The Escort Carriers would be deployed alongside the other capital ships of the fleet to escort them.

The fighter complements would be 56 TIE Fighters, 10 TIE/gt, 6 TIE/fc.

Modifications

EF76 Nebulon-B Escort Frigate Hawk to be modified with a reinforced engine spar.

Senator Hubert Ordan
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Senator of the Azure Sector
Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
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Message edited by Senator_Ordan - Thursday, 12 Jan 2012, 1:28 PM

OrionKarath

Date: Thursday, 12 Jan 2012, 0:53 AM | Message # 2

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I'm fine here with the escort carriers, but I'm extremely reluctant to see an Imperial-class Star Destroyer in planetary service at this point in the timeline. If we were talking post-Endor, I would be supportive, but at this time, with it being the premier starship of the Imperial Navy, I highly doubt anyone, be it Anaxes, Kuat, or Imperial Center/Coruscant would have an Imperial-class in direct service.

APPROVE
■ Sale of listed assets
■ Modification to the Hawk
■ Acquisition of three Escort Carried with specified compliment

DENY
■ Imperial I-class Star Destroyer

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Senator_Ordan

Date: Thursday, 12 Jan 2012, 1:50 AM | Message # 3

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As a point of information Kuat did have much bigger Star Destroyers during the period. But I'm not one to quibble. I'll go with a custom designed vessel to be built by Kuat, designed to be similar to the Imperial-I class but having a worse secondary hyperdrive and less weapons aboard.

Blockadeer-class Star Destroyer
Production information

Manufacturer
Kuat Drive Yards

Product line
Star Destroyers

Model
Blockadeer-class Star Destroyer

Class
Star Destroyer

Cost
20 times that of an EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigate

Technical specifications

Length
1,605 meters

Maximum acceleration
>2,300 g

MGLT
60 MGLT

Engine unit(s)
KDY Destroyer-I ion engine (3)
Cygnus Spaceworks Gemon-4 ion engine (4)

Hyperdrive rating
Class 2.0
Backup Class 9.0

Power output
Peak: ~7,73 × 1024 W

Power plant
SFS I-a2b Solar Ionization Reactor

Shielding
KDY ISD-72x shield generator domes (2)

Sensor systems
KDY ISD-72x shield generator domes (2)

Targeting systems
LeGrange targeting computers

Armament
Dual heavy turbolaser turrets (6)
Dual heavy ion cannon turrets (2)
Quad heavy turbolasers (2)
Triple medium turbolasers (3)
Taim & Bak XX-9 heavy turbolasers (60)
Borstel NK-7 ion cannons (60)
Phylon Q7 tractor beam projectors (10)

Complement
TIE/ln starfighter (48)
TIE/sa bomber (24)
Lambda-class shuttles (8)
Delta-class stormtrooper transports (5)
Skipray Blastboats (2)
Gamma-class assault shuttle (1+)
Repair and recovery vehicles
Theta-class AT-AT barges (modified for juggernauts)
Sentinel-class landing craft (12)
HAVw A5 Juggernauts (10)
HAVr A9 floating fortresses (5)
AT-ST walkers (30)
Prefabricated garrison base

Crew
Officers (9,235)
Infantry (9,700 maximum, 400 Marines carried as standard.)
Enlisted (27,850)
Gunners (270)

Cargo capacity
36,000 metric tons

Consumables
6 years

Communication systems
HoloNet transceiver

Notes: 5 Meters longer than the official Imperial-I design due to the addition of an impressive and ornate painted durasteel figurehead.

Message edited by Senator_Ordan - Thursday, 12 Jan 2012, 1:57 AM

Jace_Varitek

Date: Thursday, 12 Jan 2012, 2:25 AM | Message # 4

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That's very nice, Jamie. But I think both Jaron and I are against it, safe to say. I kind of like the idea of a massive figurehead, though. But I digress. I'm also reluctant about the Imperial-class Star Destroyer, but what about a Tector-class? Especially with these Escort Carriers to transport your TIE's for you. What do you think, Orion? The Tector-class would be more appropriate to the time period and could conceivably be something Anaxes could get its hands on, no?

(I'm not done with this request, btw. Just soliciting opinions on this before I go on).

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Date: Thursday, 12 Jan 2012, 2:28 AM | Message # 5

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While I feel we would need to establish stats for the Tector, which we should anyways, I would actually be fine with the Tector-class as an alternative. It doesn't have the "iconic" standing of the Imperial-class, therefore would be easier to acquire.

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Senator_Ordan

Date: Thursday, 12 Jan 2012, 1:27 PM | Message # 6

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Really not keen on the Tector after the statistics debacle at Vjun. What is the problem with a slightly toned down Imperial-class being specially commissioned. In a straight up engagement an Imperial-class would win so I don't see the navy would have an issue.

Chain of logic as I see it

1. Custom designs are bad.

Ergo

2. No slightly weaker Imperial-class.

But

3. The Tector has no proper stats for most of it's attributes so would be in most respects a custom design.

So

4. A Tector-class is a custom design..

Thus

5. What's the problem with a custom design which dpes essentially the same thing as a Tector (taking a way a couple of systems and calling it a new ship). This new design literally is an Imperial-class for all intents and purposes (same hull etc) just with slightly worse systems so that if it did come into contact with an Imperial I-class then the Imperial-I would have a big edge (more gunboats, more guns) and be able to beat it.

Because

6. Custom designs are commonly based upon the hulls of other ships (saves designing the vessel for the ground) and export models of ships and planes are often slightly downgraded from the home model, to give the home country a small edge. Hence the Imperial Navy's concerns would be alayed by Anaxes purchasing a slightly weaker "Export design" ISD.

Added (12 Jan 2012, 1:27 PM)
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New Proposal

1 x Tector Class (Imperial-1 class with no landing compliment/fighters, still with shuttles etc via the trench hangars)
1x Imperial II-class Frigate - Mounted with a full compliment of TIE Fighters (72 as interceptors aren't around), plus the ground compliment from the Victory-class (HAVw A5 Juggernauts (10), HAVr A9 floating fortresses (5)) plus landing barges for them. As it's canon length is undefined I'd like to set it as 600m.
2x Imperial Escort Carrier

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Date: Thursday, 12 Jan 2012, 3:18 PM | Message # 7

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Well, the logic goes both ways. That is, an Imperial-class Star Destroyer is desirable but a Tector-class and an Escort Carrier, amounting to the same firepower and complement of an Imperial-class, isn't acceptable? In this case or in the case of the custom design, a principle is being sacrificed; no custom designs on the one hand, and the convenience of having the "all-in-one" package of the Imperial-class Star Destroyer on the other. I'm more inclined, as I am consistently, to require some minor inconvenience of the player rather than making exceptions, even minor ones, to request rules (or rules of thumb, I suppose I should say). Especially when Orion contends that the Imperial-class in planetary hands is premature for this time period.

I have other concerns about the request, though; namely, 1.) I don't think Acherin can be cited as "almost equal" to the Axum squadron because if we're going to include Acherin's Lucrehulk-class, which is for static defense only and not to "project military power," we'd need to include tens of Star Destroyers that would be stationed at Anaxes at all times, it being the base of the Imperial Navy. Opinions differ on whether to consider Imperial forces in ship requests; I'm inclined to, Orion is disinclined. But either way, I do feel that 2.) an Imperial-class Star Destroyer (or a Tector-class) would ascend Anaxes from the realm of "difficult-to-beat" to "impossible-to-beat" for just about anyone in the RP. Dantooines and Aeeqs obviously, and as it should be. But even Alsakan doesn't boast that kind of firepower, and neither does Brentaal and I don't want to give either of them, or Druckenwell or the Cronese Mandate or who knows who else, an excuse to expand their forces too and create an arms race because of this.

For these reasons, while I'm still okay with a Tector-class if you are, if that's the case I do feel a need to insist on reducing the rest of the forces far more than you intended. I don't think I can approve of the Imperial II-class frigate and the Nebulon B would probably need to go as well if you want to have a Star Destroyer. I'm wary of shattering a ceiling that I think is rather well-positioned at the moment.

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Date: Thursday, 12 Jan 2012, 3:25 PM | Message # 8

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I'd be fine with the Nebulon-B being confined to Anaxes space or gone all together.

Point to note though, the Victory I class is meant to be equal to a dreadnaught according to wookieepedia - Acherin has a dreadnaught. I think this puts Anaxes in the "Impossible to beat alone" category, but if you had Alsakan and Deralia together, or Brentaal and Deralia, I don't think it would be the problem.

That said I am fine with tearing out the Nebulon-B class making it (total)

Axum IPS fleet (not including space stations) as debated down to with Jace.
1 Tector-class
1 Imperial-II class
2 Escort Carriers (Cannot be deployed alongside the Tector except in Azure Sector territory meaning a single massive fleet can't be deployed)
3 Assassin-class Corvettes

Cut
1 Nebulon-B
1 Arquitens-class
3 Imperial Customs Frigates

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Date: Thursday, 12 Jan 2012, 11:43 PM | Message # 9

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I'm just about fine with this, though I'd prefer it be the other way round; that is, Imperial II-class (frigate, mind) that can't be deployed with the Tector-class, not the Escort Carriers. I'd rather see the Escort Carriers used in concert with the Tector-class than the Imperial II-class frigate. Maybe some restraint on the use of the Assassin-class corvettes is necessary, too. But I'm content with self-restraint rather than having to hash out all the caveats here. I'll wait though until we do work out this Imperial II-class frigate and Escort Carrier business.

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Date: Thursday, 12 Jan 2012, 11:45 PM | Message # 10

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I edited your post to correct a typo, incidentally. In case you're wondering what the "edited by Jace_Varitek" inscription is about. You'll thank me later.

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Date: Friday, 13 Jan 2012, 1:22 AM | Message # 11

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Either way is fine. If the Frigate would be preferable instead of the Escort Carriers as the caveated vessel, that would be fine. As for the Assassins, I would of course use them with restraint, however I think (as you point out) it's going to start to get a tad ridiculous if there's going to be rules on their use too.

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Date: Saturday, 14 Jan 2012, 8:53 AM | Message # 12

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Would it be possible for Empress Teta to bid on modified victory Anaxes is selling off?

I know it probably seems like too much for Empress Teta, but I'm planning to ignite an in system Empress Teta civil war (and so it would be part of plotting to have teh forces necessary for a small civil war)

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Jace_Varitek

Date: Saturday, 14 Jan 2012, 10:53 PM | Message # 13

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As far as the Anaxes request goes, that works for me, Ordan. What do you think, Orion?

I have no problem in principle with Empress Teta buying the Victory-class. I'd need to look at Empress Teta's current forces, however. Want to open up a new thread for it?

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Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 1:58 AM | Message # 14

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Very well. APPROVE.

And for the record, here are the official Management stats for the Tector-class Star Destroyer.

Model: Tector-class Star Destroyer
Manufacturer: Kuat Drive Yards
Type: Star Destroyer
Cost: N/A (Comprable to an Imperial I-class Star Destroyer)

Length: 1,600 meters
Acceletation: >2,300 G
MGLT: 60
Propulsion: 3 KDY Destroyer-I Ion Engines, 4 Cygnus Spaceworks Gemon-4 Ion Engines
Hyperdrive Rating: Class 2.0, Backup Class 8.0
Power Plant: SFS I-a2b Solar Ionization Reactor
Shielding: KDY ISD-72x Shield Generator Doms
Targeting System: LeGrange Targeting Computers
Communications System: HoloNet Transceiver

Armament: 8 Dual Heavy Turbolaser Turrets, 2 Quad Heavy Turbolasers, 3 Triple Medium Turbolasers, 60 Taim & Bak XX-9 Heavy Turbolasers
Complement: None
Crew: 8,788 officers, 26,410 Enlisted
Cargo Capacity: 60,000 metric tons
Consumables: 6 years

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Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 2:20 AM | Message # 15

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Just a note, the load out of the ISD 1 has been modified from that too - the old Era one probably should be modified accordingly so weapons:

Dual heavy turbolaser turrets (6)[1]
Dual heavy ion cannon turrets (2)[1]
Quad heavy turbolasers (2)[1]
Triple medium turbolasers (3)[1]
Medium turbolasers (2)[1]
Taim & Bak XX-9 heavy turbolasers (60)[1]
Borstel NK-7 ion cannons (60)[1]
Phylon Q7 tractor beam projectors (10)[6]

Seems like if I am having it, it needs the ion capacity to be able to disable ships not just destroy them, equally for tractor beams. This is going to be mostly used in blockades so even if it's not - your present stats nerf it considerably and hugely weaken it - it's an ISD without a hangar, nothing is ever stated about its ion cannons going - although I accept this may be a mistake.

If the ion cannons are going can I have some more turbolasers in lieu? Seems off they would build a designated "anti-capital ship" ISD Which could be beaten in a gunnery battle (hands down) by a regular one - it at least needs equality or (as per these stats) its outgunned by a Victory class.

It should also have several shuttles an lighters etc.

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