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Date: Tuesday, 03 Apr 2012, 5:58 PM | Message # 1

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It's been some time since a fleet request for Druckenwell was put in, and as such, seeing as how Druckenwell has been active, I would like to request the following:

That Druckenwell, as a representative of three worlds (itself, Monor II and Geridard) be granted an additional EF76 Nebulon-B frigate and a Vindicator-class cruiser, as it has achieved enough status to be worthy of such in its defensive fleet, which often must spread itself out for visitation of worlds in the Doldur Sector and to make an effort to detract from future pirate raids, such as that which was aimed at Monor II, a good trade partner to Druckenwell.

Furthermore, with increased business activity, I would request that the Cardan-III station at Druckenwell be upgraded to a Cardan-V, and the Cardan-II station at Monor II be upgraded to a Cardan-IV, so that both stations can contribute further to planetary defense, increased production space and in the case of Druckenwell, allow it to better serve the Imperial military of the Doldur Sector.

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Representative, Boranall
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Date: Tuesday, 03 Apr 2012, 10:25 PM | Message # 2

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APPROVE

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Date: Thursday, 05 Apr 2012, 10:44 PM | Message # 3

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lololololololololoololololool.

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Date: Friday, 06 Apr 2012, 9:03 AM | Message # 4

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Ugh, Christ I'm hung over. I'll have a real post up here as soon as I do something about this headache.

Date: Saturday, 07 Apr 2012, 1:05 AM | Message # 5

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These are the latest numbers for Druckenwell, correct?

Druckenwell Defensive Fleet
■ 2 Carrack-class Cruisers
■ 2 Arquetins-class Light Cruisers
■ 2 Tartan-class Patrol Cruisers
■ EF76 Nebulon-B Frigate
■ DP20 Frigate
■ 6 Starfighters (2 Alpha-3 Nimbus-class V-Wing's, 2 ARC-170's, 2 Eta-3 Actis-class Light Interceptors)
■ 3 Large Gun Emplacements
■ 2 Large Gun/Warhead Emplacements
■ Cardan II-class Space Station
■ Cardan III-class Space Station

Date: Saturday, 07 Apr 2012, 1:16 AM | Message # 6

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I'm not sure where you all pulled the numbers from, but there are some inconsistencies.

1) The Arquetins were given away and later destroyed

2) Those are 3 squadrons not 6 starfighters.

Date: Saturday, 07 Apr 2012, 10:08 PM | Message # 7

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Here are the numbers I have for Druckenwell-

EF76 Nebulon-B Escort Frigate
Tartan-class Patrol Cruiser
DP20 Frigate
3 Carrack-class Light Cruisers
Cardan III-class Space Station
3 Large Gun Emplacements
2 Large Gun/Warhead Emplacements
Cardan II-class Space Station (Monor II)

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Date: Saturday, 07 Apr 2012, 10:08 PM | Message # 8

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And his fighters are two squadrons of each fighter type.

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Date: Thursday, 12 Apr 2012, 8:21 PM | Message # 9

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Bueller?

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Date: Thursday, 12 Apr 2012, 9:19 PM | Message # 10

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Apparently there was a mistake by one of the management triumvirate when it came to the listing of Druckenwell's ships and whatnot. Thanks in no small part to my amazing ability to see fault in everything you all do, the error was corrected. Ahem. I was originally averse to the Neb-B, however once it was discovered that someone (not named Karth) had made said mistake in the list and that the Arquetins no longer exist, I've since come 'round to the idea. I'll let Jace post his thoughts on the Cardans but I APPROVE unless one of the other two Musketeers changes my mind with spirited debate and/or bribery. I like brownies, guys.

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Date: Friday, 20 Apr 2012, 9:08 PM | Message # 11

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So if approved, we're talking about..

■ 1 Vindicator-class Heavy Cruiser
■ 2 EF76 Nebulon-B Escort Frigate
■ 1 Tartan-class Patrol Cruiser
■ 1 DP20 Frigate
■ 3 Carrack-class Light Cruisers
■ 1 Cardan III-class Space Station
■ 3 Large Gun Emplacements
■ 2 Large Gun/Warhead Emplacements
■ 1 Cardan II-class Space Station (Monor II)

For the record,

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its defensive fleet, which often must spread itself out for visitation of worlds in the Doldur Sector and to make an effort to detract from future pirate raids

It doesn't need to do this. This is what it's choosing to do with its fleet, and I don't buy it as a justification for a larger fleet for Druckenwell unless the ships it's requesting to defend these planets are requested for those planets and those planets only.

So, setting that aside as a justification, what reason do you have for us why a little-mentioned Mid Rim world should have a larger and more powerful fleet than some Core Worlds? On top of possibly the strongest stationary planetary defense setup in the RP? I don't think approving this request is going to preserve the principle of planets in the RP needing to make a choice between offense on the one hand or defense on the other, but not both at the same time. Or would it? What are your thoughts?

Date: Saturday, 21 Apr 2012, 9:33 AM | Message # 12

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First off, Jace, where did you get that I have three Carrack cruisers? I only have two. I believe Jaron was mistaken on that one as well and I just noticed it.

Secondly, regarding stationary planetary defense: I would estimate that any world with a dedicated Golan-II or III platform automatically outguns a Cardan station world, even with the gun emplacements. If granted the upgrade to Cardan-V status at Druckenwell, that puts it a little more on par, but still not as much as some worlds. The Cardan stations are designed to repair and refit first and be defensive second. Golan platforms are designed to be defensive first, second AND third.

If approved, I'd be willing to dedicate one of the EF76 frigates to the (hopefully) upgraded facility at Monor II. Between the upgrade to Cardan-IV and an on-site EF76, further reinforcements to protect against pirates, the possibility of the hyper-religious Monorians going crazy, etc. would not be necessary, especially with Druckenwell just a short hop away.

Looking at the list I personally made of Druckenwell's vessels, they currently have five ships (six if you count the extra Tartan someone said I had somewhere, but overall the Tartan is sort of negligible). So five ships, of which I am asking for two more. If I dedicate one EF76 to Monor II, that means Druckenwell has a 6-ship fleet, which keeps it still relatively small. Sure, it may be 'heavier' than Brentaal's currently listed fleet, but in numbers of ships, a lot of worlds, both Core and Outer Rim, have it in numbers. I believe it still allows for a flexible offense, but makes it impossible to commit fully to an offense and defense at the same time. After all, static gun emplacements and even a Cardan-V aren't going to last long against a dedicated assault.

Date: Saturday, 21 Apr 2012, 9:44 PM | Message # 13

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I must've hit a wrong button, on accident. I'll have to review my list entirely now. Anyways, it's two Carrack Cruisers, not three.

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Date: Sunday, 22 Apr 2012, 9:51 AM | Message # 14

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Okay, I'm mostly convinced. Except we can't seem to have any confidence in Druckenwell's fleet numbers anymore, lol. I'm not sure where Jaron's list comes from, I'm no longer sure where the list on the fleet page comes from, so I think we're going to need to do an audit here of what forces Druckenwell has just to finally nail this down. Bear with us, if you would.