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| Valin_Rall | Date: Tuesday, 22 May 2012, 8:57 PM | Message # 1 |
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| From the Probe Droids that were approved in the Probe droids, yes probe droids request that were sent out into the Unknown Regions, I'm requesting that one of them have found and reported back to Rall the discovery of Carrivar. I would also like to request that Rall set up a secondary base on Carrivar.
After the completion of The Lost Legionnaries (after waiting 4 days for anyone to post on it), I would like to request the Parts (Components, Wires, Parts, etc etc) of 200 BL-series Battle Legionnares with 50 of them being rebuilt and in working condition, along with 50 EE-3 Carbine Rifles
Last but not least, an Auto completion for this Message to the Lok Revenants where Rall and the Lok Revenants come to an agreement where those members of the Lok Revenants that want to fight more openly against the Empire would join Rall, along with 1 Modified Mere Cruiser
So in summation
Discovery of Carrivar
Base set up on Carrivar
200 BL series Battle Legionnare components
50 Operational BL series
50 E-33 Carbine Rifles
1 Mere Cruiser
Lord Rall of Queyta
Lord of Winter and Hero of Rhen Var
Knight-General of Drongar
Destroyer of Worlds
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 24 May 2012, 8:39 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Probably fine, but following this precedent, I'd like to be sure Moff Ares is aware that this thread is his responsibility before we rule for sure on this. Though I'm afraid I do vote to DENY the arrangement with the Lok Revenants. All the indications I remember from the games/comics suggest the Lok Revenants never acted out much more than self-interest. The mention of them on Wookieepedia—staying on Lok, considering the Empire more-or-less the same as the Republic and not messing with it unless comes too close to Lok—seems about right to me. And I definitely don't see them ever working with a Separatist.
Jace Varitek
Manager/Administrator from January 2003 to Present
My recent posts here, pre-2009 archives here
"When my information changes, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"
—John Maynard Keynes
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Thursday, 24 May 2012, 9:39 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Having conversed with the two J's on this, I have to agree on the Lok Revenants. DENY.
Man, Myth, Administrative God. Also plays a mean kazoo.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Sunday, 27 May 2012, 3:43 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Still need to ask Ares about this. In the meantime, I do APPROVE of your discovery of Carrivar. We can probably call the Revenants DENIED with a majority against.
Jace Varitek
Manager/Administrator from January 2003 to Present
My recent posts here, pre-2009 archives here
"When my information changes, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"
—John Maynard Keynes
Furthermore, a dancing Wookiee:
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Friday, 01 Jun 2012, 11:43 AM | Message # 5 |
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| So, I'm in favor of Ares having some editorial involvement in what happened at Norval II, but I'm not sure I support Rall having to re-write the entire thing, having done nothing wrong. Verilia made some editorial changes to what Shiva did at Neftali, but didn't invalidate the entire thing. I'd recommend Ares do something along these lines—auto in a few changes to what happened without having to start the thread over. I quote Karth from a wisely unposted rant during the Neftali dispute; 'Management (nor any other RPer here) are under no obligation to tell you which threads to read. The fact that someone posts a thread where he attacks a base world under your control, two months ago, is all you really need. And then, stating that "no-one gave you the chance to defend yourself" is complete and utter tripe.'
Jace Varitek
Manager/Administrator from January 2003 to Present
My recent posts here, pre-2009 archives here
"When my information changes, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"
—John Maynard Keynes
Furthermore, a dancing Wookiee:
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| Valin_Rall | Date: Friday, 01 Jun 2012, 2:03 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Since this has become a headache (based off of Jaron's single complaint that I should have notified him of the thread when I was under no obligation to do so) I am willing to drop the BLs and E-33s from this request entirely, in exchange for the following.
x1 Modified Trade Federation Bacta Ship (Same as the first one approved of in this Request, in message #3)
x2 G9-Rigger Freighters
Which would turn the request into the following
Discovery of Carrivar
Base Established on Carrivar
x1 Modified Trade Federation Bacta Ship
x2 G9-Rigger Freighters
Lord Rall of Queyta
Lord of Winter and Hero of Rhen Var
Knight-General of Drongar
Destroyer of Worlds
Message edited by Valin_Rall - Friday, 01 Jun 2012, 2:04 PM |
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| Jaron | Date: Saturday, 02 Jun 2012, 1:21 AM | Message # 7 |
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| I really don't honestly get why you are getting so butt hurt over someone doing the exact same thing you did to someone else just a few months ago. I mean, pardon the unprofessionalism of the phrase butt hurt, but good Lord, child; it's like you want to make everything a pissing contest for some reason. The main reason of my doing so is that you've mashed this RP into one gigantor post, rather than gradual and deliberate action (the only problem I had at all in the first place with the thread), as others have done when working for a gain, such as here. I even tried to point this out to you Messenger, to no avail. In that same conversation, I pointed out that if you had any problem with my actions, or my contest of the thread, you could've came to me personally, as an adult would have, and voiced said issues/concerns, as an adult would have. What was the response to this? Blocking me on Messenger for a day, oh, and continuing this petty fit without any heed to what I had said to you. Dear God, we are the same age, Carl; I truly wish both of us could function at the same level of maturity on these matters. I'm also still at a loss as to why you are actively RPing and requesting when you explicitly stated that you were leaving the RP in favor of joining another RP. Rather poor form to do so, if I must say so, but it is clearly no longer the case, as your clear investment in the results of your RP and dedication to activity contradict.
To conclude the rant portion of this post, I truly don't see why you have such a chip on your shoulder in regards to me. Unless I'm saying/doing something against Jamie IC/OOC, you seem to have this odd victim complex (for lack of a more appropriate title of the complex, hence the "odd" designator) in regards to me, as if I've wronged you somehow or picked on you or... well, something. I'm not really sure what the something is, I don't even thing you know what the something is. I guess a testament to this is a Mandate request of almost three months ago in which I openly praised your designs and choice of image, only to have you tell people that you thought I was saying "fuck off" somehow and was going to vote against your designs. If I ever come across as short to you, it is likely because of this erratic, illogical, baseless attitude towards me for little to no reason. If you have a problem with me, come out and say exactly what it is. If you can't do so, publicly or privately, then please cease acting like a child and proceeding to try to call me out in every post you've made since.
Now, with that out of the way, and at least one of us voicing their opinion on what has become a clear problem... and to clarify, no, there is no reason for a precedent to be actually standing on notification on a thread, as Management's position has and was so expertly stated by Kartholomew.
I APPROVE of this request in it's revised state.
Jaron Park
Manager from June 2009 to Present, Administrator from December 2011 to Present
(pre-April 2012 posts) (post-April 2012 posts)
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| Valin_Rall | Date: Saturday, 02 Jun 2012, 10:30 AM | Message # 8 |
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| The difference there Jaron with that thread, is that I didnt invalidate the thread, where as you want me to rewrite the entire thread I did which was sitting there for four days, with each day you being online, and each day you not posting on it. So is it fair that I should have to rewrite an entire thread because you werent paying attention. Then you turn around and demand that I have to notify you the next time I make a thread that might involve one of your areas or characters (which is unfair that I should have to do that when no one has an obligation to do so.) I've gone to you in the past to deal with such issues and each time I've gotten the same feeling from your responses, which was getting the feeling that you didnt care and were basically telling me off. As for stating I was going to another RP, I did go to it, and just as its 20 other reboots, this one has yet again stalled just like I knew it would, so it looks like I'm stuck here which is why I'm still active on this site. I've also already told you the problem that I have with you numerous times in IM, though it would appear that you keep just shrugging it off.
Lord Rall of Queyta
Lord of Winter and Hero of Rhen Var
Knight-General of Drongar
Destroyer of Worlds
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| Jaron | Date: Saturday, 02 Jun 2012, 4:51 PM | Message # 9 |
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| If I remember correctly, which is unlikely, the only time you've addressed a direct problem with me as a person, to myself, was stating that you believe me to be a "self-righteous, holier than though, asshole". Quotes are there to indicate general direction of complain rather than direct wording. I do not believe I ever expressed in any way, shape or form that I didn't care or was shrugging off the complaint whenever you have had one; I believe nearly every member here could attest that that is entirely out of character for me. However, if one addresses concerns with alternatives or possible solutions, rather than immediately begging for forgiveness, this must also be pointed out as being an act of problem solving, a far more satisfying and in the long run effective solution compared to groveling. But back to me not caring... who was the Manager who took your concerns about Jamie to heart and voiced them, repeatedly, to the others? Who listened to you when you had those concerns? Who tried to bring about something? Right, that was me. Even though all your concerns were over things well within the realm and word of the rules, I still worked on trying to bring these concerns to the forefront and bring about a resolution. Did it work? No, I don't think it did, but not everything you do in life works out, thus is life. The previous comments are in no way meant to be derogatory towards the rest of Management nor meant to characterize the other two in any negative fashion. My point being, anyone comes to me with a problem, I try to fix it, even if it is something that doesn't need to/shouldn't be fixed
Now, let us bring our attention to the thread in question, and the wild accusations being made on the matter of my OOC statement. I did not ask for a re-write of the entire thread, I specifically asked for you to back up to when your forces were landing on the planet; rather than dealing with the two posts worth of going into system after apparently conducting surveillance to time Imperial patrols exactly (without RP, although in this case it isn't really a big issue), landing, wandering around the planet and collecting enough spare parts from a battle field to build fifty droid, and then leave the planet and be ready to enter hyperspace. I also pointed out the fact that other players have done what you are doing, with no problem, but they spaced it out over the course of several posts, acting as if they were to face opposition. I also stated that had you done so as well, I wouldn't even have an inclination to contest the RP. I also pointed out that my actions only stemmed from Jace's above point of precedent on the matter in regards to you and your actions, several times.
To reiterate my point, I do not once ask for you to re-write the entire thread. I also did not say a single word of demanding you to notify me once, not in the OOC note nor in Messenger. These claims are simply works of fiction and delusional, to be honest. For the records sake, and ease of reference, let me put up on here my exact words of the note.
Quote ((Apologies for getting a little late on this, but in principle, a two post successful endeavor isn't exactly the greatest RP in the world. While I lacked any notification, citing Management's position on this RP, would you mind back up a few beats? I mean, to cite other players, many made several posts to accomplish far less. Had the same effort been made here, I'd be more than willing to step aside and allow uncontested success. However, lacking any notification, as Management cited, I'm going to have to ask a re-write here back to when they were on the surface.))
Again, nothing within there even comes close to validating these ourageous and bogus claims and accusations. Such actions would be extremely out of character for me, as Jace, Karth, and just about anyone I believe here can attest. Maybe a "Damn, I wish I woulda knew..." once in awhile on Messenger, and a few contests of the autoed actions of my own forces from time to time (only when I felt it went too far); but nothing as outrageous and wild as what you are claiming. I find that extremely offensive, insulting, and disrespectful. I also find this attitude that you are "stuck here" to be wholly inappropriate and disrespectful to every member to have ever played in our forum, past and present. This is an excellent group, and as your apparent experience throughout the net has shown, one of the best RP groups out there. We don't stall, we're welcoming (as long as you don't make false accusations or claims and treat others with respect), we're always active and we always bring about quality RP. What group of players do you know out there that can say they've been RPing together for over twelve years? Granted the last ones left from that long ago are only Jace and myself, but a majority of the people you're interacting with have been at this for over a decade. Again, what group can claim that? We're not holding a gun to your head here, no one is forcing you to be here; so why so seemingly bitter about playing in this group?
Jaron Park
Manager from June 2009 to Present, Administrator from December 2011 to Present
(pre-April 2012 posts) (post-April 2012 posts)
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Saturday, 02 Jun 2012, 7:27 PM | Message # 10 |
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| I think it'd be best for both sides to walk back the rhetoric a bit and say what you need to say to each other in private (as I'm led to understand you are doing, so I thank you). Modified request APPROVED.
Jace Varitek
Manager/Administrator from January 2003 to Present
My recent posts here, pre-2009 archives here
"When my information changes, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"
—John Maynard Keynes
Furthermore, a dancing Wookiee:
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