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Request for sales
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Friday, 28 Sep 2012, 8:24 AM | Message # 1 |
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| With the conclusion of this thread and understanding the designs put forth here, I would request acknowledgement of the following:
3x squadrons per planet (total of 108 in all) I-002 series drones to be sold to the worlds of Taum Reese, Arramanx and Beta Olikark.
4x squadrons per planet (total of 144 in all) AS-003 series drones to be also sold to the worlds of Taum Reese, Arramanx and Beta Olikark.
Alyn Stark
Lord of Kinyov
Senior Captain, Retired, Republic Navy
Head of House Malos (former)
Licensed bounty hunter
Majority shareholder, Lorrd Engineering
Owner, Stark Defense Conglomerate
Civilian Medal of Honor recipient
Representative, Lorrd (10 BBY-9 BBY)
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Sunday, 30 Sep 2012, 1:35 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Hey Karth, Jaron (haha, yeah right), guys, I'm feeling really sick at the moment but despite this I have to go to work for a few hours. But I asked Adam to request this because it deals with a big RP issue that I'd like us to address on the record. I'll get to that later tonight, if I'm feeling okay and if you guys don't mind waiting on me.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Wednesday, 03 Oct 2012, 9:45 AM | Message # 3 |
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| Turns out I wasn't feeling okay. But this will be the first thing I post on tonight after work.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 04 Oct 2012, 11:23 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Okay guys, so while I APPROVE of this particular request, the larger issue I wanted to address is whether someone who RP's a company needs to request the NPC sales that his or her company makes. This request is a good example; the company is large enough that we assume it does a respectable amount of business, but surely the RPer doesn't have to request every NPC sale? But if not, who determines how successful the company is, and how is it determined? For instance, we don't want a typist to casually declare his company sold 100,000,000,000 small arms to some NPC planet with impunity—there needs to be some limitation on this. What are your thoughts, guys? And I open this up to Adam and anyone else who wants to chime in.
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Friday, 05 Oct 2012, 5:45 AM | Message # 5 |
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| My personal view? Selling drone starfighters (and even lesser types of drones, such as ground drones, for example) ought to be requested to an extent. I mean, (and this is my take), say Vigilance Tech sells one squadron of drones to thirteen different planets. Not such a big thing. Now say it sells twelve squadrons of drones to thirteen different planets. Much larger difference. Likewise with small arms, I mean, a hundred pistols or rifles to one world is no big deal, but several million? We just need a ballpark kind of standard for sales.
Alyn Stark
Lord of Kinyov
Senior Captain, Retired, Republic Navy
Head of House Malos (former)
Licensed bounty hunter
Majority shareholder, Lorrd Engineering
Owner, Stark Defense Conglomerate
Civilian Medal of Honor recipient
Representative, Lorrd (10 BBY-9 BBY)
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| Havoc | Date: Friday, 05 Oct 2012, 7:43 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Not every sale should be requested for NPC use, provided that it's reasonable numbers. When the numbers tend to jump to a crazy number, then it should be requested, just as if it were being requested for an individual typist. This kind of reminds me of what Echuu did for me when I RPed as Dax attempting to acquire a mobile shipyard. He RPed the NPC for me, as if he intended to have it as a normal character. Something like that I assumed, was more of management's realm to decide whether or not the NPCs would join Dax in his expansion. AGW Rule 5.2 states that management has the authority to decide the NPC public opinion. So for something like big sales to a NPC should require some sort of management input.
That's just my two cents.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Friday, 05 Oct 2012, 10:23 AM | Message # 7 |
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| Great points, guys. I was thinking the same thing, Adam, about a general sort of standard. And Havoc, I see the old manager in you again. Jaron or Karth?
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Friday, 05 Oct 2012, 11:53 AM | Message # 8 |
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| I agree with Havoc, if we have to have every single sale requested it just bogs down the request board (which doesn't need any more bogging down, as I'm sure you all know). If the number's within a reasonable limit, no reason why we need to go through the motions when it will (most likely) always be approved. Now, obviously, as the requested number jumps to exponential levels, then I could definitely see a need for some sort of approval/regulation.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Wednesday, 10 Oct 2012, 9:17 AM | Message # 9 |
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| Maybe as long as sales are mentioned somewhere? Like in a press release or news article, so that we, as management, have a chance to read it and put the kibosh on it if it crosses the line? I think we can manage that. Plus, if we're lazy and don't read it, it works to the advantage of the player, which I like.
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Wednesday, 10 Oct 2012, 10:16 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Works for me.
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| Heinrich_Maxwell | Date: Friday, 12 Oct 2012, 4:19 PM | Message # 11 |
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| You know what I do think is extremely cheap and arguably against the rules?
I've just had a bit of a fast one pulled on me in this regard.
1. Significant events should be documented in the RP. Any event which is not posted on the board didn't happen.
2. It's also recognized as a legitimate form of RP to just say the events happened in a news story. If they are not an accurate documentation of the "events" which "occurred" (or if they do not have a preface stating the actual events) then they should have transpired as in the news story - or not at all.
3. When there is only one source for an event happening because you've chosen up to that point not to RP it it should have to be accurate or contain an OOC explanation of the accurate events - or else you can just retrospectively change the events to be absolutely anything you wanted and make other people look foolish via OOC trickery which is completely impossible to detect - because it's not been roleplayed out properly. Otherwise it's like playing a game with kids at school which they don't tell you the rules to - you lose every time.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Friday, 12 Oct 2012, 4:29 PM | Message # 12 |
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| I agree. If a news article is going to function as a substitute for actual RP, the article needs to be accurate. Carl, for instance, would leave important details in his threads deliberately unclear so that the facts couldn't be used against him. His facts were ever-changing. I agree that's not acceptable. As I mentioned above, it reaches a point where it's mundane and uninteresting to RP out every business deal, and a news article is a useful substitute (if that's what we decide on). But in lieu of a posted record of the business dealings, the IC reporting on those dealings needs to be reliable, or, as Jamie noted, some sort of OOC note made of the article's inaccuracy for the reasons he stated, in my view.
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Friday, 12 Oct 2012, 4:43 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Okay, you called me out and I 'fess up to it. I'll give my reasons here, as well as IC on the correct post, as to what was what.
Jamie, you do this thing where you hound stuff into the grave where you make it impossible for anyone who doesn't have the knowledge of law that you do has damn near no maneuvering room. Now I'm not like Carl in the regard that I don't mind some drama; my work with you between the Argazdans and Trandoshans is living proof of that, as were the ease with which your raids were conducted. I could have likely thrown up all sorts of defenses and whatnot and validated it, but I was trying to improve the play.
Now, seeing as you have this somewhat of a prick side, I decided to give a slight taste of a slap back at you; call it a friendly reminder that it's sometimes nicer to let people have a bit of breathing space rather than continually shove a hot poker up their ass.
Now, the relevant facts:
1) SDC could not sign a 'Mutual Defense Pact' with the Gree Enclave. Even if Stark were somehow stupid enough to realize it was not lawfully possible, it's undoubtedly true that the Grandmasters of the Gree Enclave would realize it and disagree.
2) Stark Defense Conglomerate Security Forces (mentioned here), is still only two-hundred strong at the moment, give or take a few numbers, and they certainly don't have the means, equipment or even manpower to defend an entire sector, let along every planet in the Gree Enclave. As such, and I'm pretty damn sure Stark knows this since it is his security force, I doubt he'd enter into such an agreement.
3) Stark knows good business. That's evidenced by his company acquisitions. Furthermore, gaining exclusivity rights to one or more worlds is understandable, but exclusivity rights to an entire sector would just be a fail. That would be a monopoly and certainly can't be agreed to without management approval.
Granted, as I've said, this is the first and last time I'll do this, but I hope the message got through.
Alyn Stark
Lord of Kinyov
Senior Captain, Retired, Republic Navy
Head of House Malos (former)
Licensed bounty hunter
Majority shareholder, Lorrd Engineering
Owner, Stark Defense Conglomerate
Civilian Medal of Honor recipient
Representative, Lorrd (10 BBY-9 BBY)
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Friday, 12 Oct 2012, 4:59 PM | Message # 14 |
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| So we're all on the same page, what you did here is a mode, Adam. It's not beating Jamie at his own game, it's beating him at a game with no rules that no one can win. I appreciate that this is the only time you plan to do this, and as far as I'm concerned we can move on from it, but honestly, I'm less inclined to let this shenanigan stand if this sort of personal invective continues on the forum. I can see you're a lot more upset than you've let on in the past, but wow, let's keep it kosher on the forum please. I think it's safe to say your message did get through, but in the future perhaps you can express it privately.
Jace Varitek
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—John Maynard Keynes
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Saturday, 13 Oct 2012, 2:38 AM | Message # 15 |
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| Adam mate. May I suggest you indulge in a short interlude of whatever you use to chill down, some sort of pacifying mind altering experience.
First, I'd like to let you know that I think this spout of acrimoniousness isn't needed, what you were doing is simply against the basic mechanics of a game like this. I am tricky, sneaky, underhanded and sly - but I stay within the rules and don't mode (although I accept it may not have been intentional its what it is).
Secondly, I thought you might like to know I do not play the Lord Bowe (but don't want to be rude and disclose who does).
Thirdly, my role in the Trandoshan sector is explicitly at your request - I'm happy to discontinue it if you like; I didn't ask for any favors on those raids and you chose to play how you chose to play.
Fourthly, it's not really relevant that Stark's company would be hugely overextending itself by taking such a contract - you've roleplayed it out via the Newspaper article and if you can't meet the commitments made then that is as it may be - but don't expect to be able to take back mistakes like that. I cock up sometimes, but it doesn't mean I can retrospectively change it.
Lastly, chill! I didn't mean to be acrimonious and I certainly don't think I earned your tirade, I've had incidents of you effectively ret-conning in a similar way before and haven't objected but must put a line in the sand here and see the rules are followed I'm afraid. It's nothing personal and I don't intend to make you feel besieged at the moment (although I can see how you might feel that way if I was Lord Bowe). So let's smoke the peace pipe and try to take the best possible lessons from this to go forward in future in a positive mindset.
Plus, surely Stark could just draft some provincial soldiers or bring in other PMCs if he lacks manpower.
Bernard Oriel
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1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
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