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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Thursday, 13 Dec 2012, 2:07 AM | Message # 16 |
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| Why is length a problem in itself?
"Size matters not" surely?
Is it simply that you don't want to approve a ship so large just on the principle of it's size.
I could happily shorten the ship but that would defeat the point because:
- It's a canon ship which has been modified for peaceful purposes, that is the length of the ship.
- The length is it's weakness - make the ship more compact and you're making it stronger - the whole idea is that at present its guns are widely spread over a large hull, creating poorly overlapping weapon arcs and some blind spots - compact the ship and it thus becomes stronger.
- If it is smaller, it is hardly plausible that it could carry the stations I wish it to deliver as a compliment - thus creating a situation as we have had before (to my quiet amusement) where fighters have been approved for the compliments of ships where they are wider/taller than the hangar entrance on said ship (on a Nebulon-B I recall).
I'd like to gently remind that the Lucrehulk-class is only 800m shorter and has been approved multiple times.
The Gigantos-class was 3.2km long also.
What is 800m between friends? It's actually almost certainly smaller than the Lucrehulk in it's mass even if it's longer, one could legitimately call the Lucrehulk "bigger" without blushing, the fully armed Lucrehulk would also nominally outgun this ship considerably.
I realize you wish to avoid Star Dreadnoughts or Star Battlecruisers being used in the RP - but this is not either, simply based on the same hull and disarmed.
We've had part disarmed Lucrehulks which fit the same niche in the CIS Side, why not the disarmed Republic equivalent?Added (13 Dec 2012, 2:07 AM)
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Plus I mean, there's a lot of cheaper freighters out there, some actually built (like tradefed ones) for use in dangerous areas - rather than being an elite luxury ship
Verence Terrawin
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First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 13 Dec 2012, 10:40 AM | Message # 17 |
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| Quote (Jace_Varitek) I'm interested in how much damage the weapons on the ship are capable of doing, and how much symbolic damage a ship of this size can do. Minute qualifications—that is, looking at the small picture rather than the (extremely) large picture—are what got us into trouble with Kruus and Kor Vella. My intolerance for enormous ships is well-known and I do think it's served the RP well; I don't intend to qualify it.
To my recollection, no Lucrehulk has been approved in this time period except as a stationary defense platform (or essentially stationary, in the case of Trandosha). The Gigantos-class was a more-or-less unarmed freighter.
I can accept a warship length in modest excess of 2,000 meters.
With regard to the complement being unsuitable to the reduced size:
Quote (Jace_Varitek) I APPROVE of this with some reductions proportional to the reduced size of the ship.
Jace Varitek
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| Jaron | Date: Thursday, 13 Dec 2012, 11:45 AM | Message # 18 |
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| We have one Lucrehulk approved for free use, but I believe with the stipulation that it is the only ship available to that character/faction. The fact remains that approving such a massive ship for a planetary government would be a massive power shift in the game. While I am a person who favors a more "realistic" gameplay, A Galaxy At War is not that. Whereas canon portrays in multiple media the common major space engagement consisting of hundreds if not thousands of vessels, our battles rarely exceed the teens in numbers, and that is how it has been for years. There is reason for this on our part, which goes back to early days of our RP careers, and it was a lesson we learned through real experience. We have stuck to this principle for many years. I do not recall a ship larger than an Imperial-class Star Destroyer ever being approved for a planetary government in our RP, aside from perhaps the Kruus, which was an honest fluke.
What we see here is an evolution through real experience on the part of Management. From events we experienced, and were a part of, in SithJedi.Net, A Galaxy Divided, and previous timelines seen with A Galaxy At War, including several others group, both of our own and as simple members or even managers within. While I realize that may be frustrating to you and others, there is a certain... "personality", for lack of a better term... that AGW has, and really has been naturally formed. We have a certain feel to us. This design goes against that, which is why Management is so resistant to the idea.
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Friday, 14 Dec 2012, 10:38 AM | Message # 19 |
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| Open to working with you chaps at all times in all ways to create a happy and mutually agreeable outcome.
If the ship really is too big by length, you know what, that is your call; you're the arbiters and I am the applicant and I respect your right to impose conditions and I firmly believe that if you guys think it's best (as a group), it probably is.
Okay - with that said I'll have my nose stage a fighting retreat from you gentlemen's arses.
I'll rejig the stats a little, message taken onboard that a ship shouldn't be mucho grande.Added (14 Dec 2012, 10:38 AM)
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Changed the design a tad.
Now based on the Procurator hull at 2500m instead of the Praetor.
It should be added that this isn't a Procurator and I don't intend the stats to set a precedent for Procurator stats, it's a somewhat demilitarized version. Rather than the gun-platform/carrier that the early (Clone Wars and earlier) KDY ships seem to be it's sort of similar but just less of both.
Verence Terrawin
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First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Jaron | Date: Saturday, 26 Jan 2013, 2:22 PM | Message # 20 |
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| Sorry about this dropping off the radar. Let us review for a brief moment, and then we'll get back to you.
Jaron Park
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Sunday, 03 Feb 2013, 9:51 PM | Message # 21 |
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| It's going to take weeks now to get this off the radar again.
(I jest, of course).
While we're steeling ourselves for this request though, in the interest of full disclosure I should make it clear that while I probably will approve of this, it'll be at a proportional cost in Alsakan's other ships. I mentioned this in passing earlier in the thread, but I'm not sure I made it clear. This ship will replace most, if not all of Alsakan's other ships if it is approved.
Jace Varitek
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