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The Jointed Youth Program
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Tuesday, 22 Jun 2010, 3:54 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Greetings, Due to the recent strained relations between the New Republic and the New Jedi Order, and the Jedi Summit that has just started, I would like to propose "The Jointed Youth Program." It is a program designed to develop better relationships in the youths of both the New Republic and the New Jedi Order. The age range would be from 8 to 16. I figured that if we want to have a good relationship with the Jedi, why not start with our future leaders? It should be hosted once a year, a couple of weeks long. It is very much like a leadership camp, but this program basically develop trust and better understanding among the Jedi and the Republic citizens. The program would bring in leaders from both factions of any sort to provide lectures. Eventually, it will be accessible to every young being in the galaxy, but for now I strongly recommend students from our Youth Legislative Program and selective Younglings and Padawans which of course would be processed through the Jedi Council. I believe this would be a wonderful step to begin with toward improving the relationship. Now, because this is a jointed program, I would like to invite the Jedi Council to have a say on this matter. I vote in favor.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 23 Jun 2010, 10:08 PM | Message # 2 |
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| I do not doubt that the Senator's intentions are good. But with all due respect to him, his proposal is not. The Jedi are a monastic order who poison the majesty of the Force with small minded and violent teachings. This is not something that should be taught to students who have the potential, with the Force, to do tremendous harm to life and limb. And it absolutely, absolutely, absolutely should not be taught to children, and, especially, to children who are expected to be the future leaders and legislators of the New Republic. These children should be able to learn from what the Jedi do, not what the Jedi say. In other words, they should be allowed to come to their own conclusions about the Jedi, rather than be indoctrinated at a young age with Jedi superstitions and dogma. Senators, children of all species have one great strength and one great weakness. The strength is wonder or, if you will, curiosity. The weakness is credulity. I believe that this curiosity is a precious thing that should be encouraged with free thought and intellectual vigor. The Jedi teachings, however, appeal to credulity—they would demand that children believe in myths and superstitions and, thus, it would encourage in these children a tendency to believe things that aren't true or, at least, to believe things for no good reason. These are not traits that should be taught to any child, but especially, as I said, not the future leaders of the Republic. I vote against.
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Friday, 25 Jun 2010, 2:53 PM | Message # 3 |
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| I probably have children, and I sure as Corellian hell don't want them to be brainwashed into becoming some secret arm of the Jedi to infiltrate the highest ranks of the Republic. No disrespect to the late Emperor Palpatine, but one of him was enough. I also have to agree with Senator Cambrist that the Jedi are a bunch of brazen, bloody butchers, not role models. Maximilian Veers, now there's a role model. Or the Yagai, for aliens. What was I—oh, yes. The point is that children should learn about the Jedi from their parents, or if I had my way, from history books. I vote against this measure because I don't want to revive the days when the Jedi were allowed to spy on children and kidnap them from their parents. It's a slippery slope, Senators. It's a slippery slope.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Mical_de_Crion | Date: Friday, 25 Jun 2010, 11:30 PM | Message # 4 |
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| This legislation has a fine goal and is an excellent pilot project. I believe that should we doubt whether or not this should work, we should allow at least one running of the camp before rendering judgement, and should it not work as wished, we can terminate the program. However, I merely ask that all of you give this program a chance. I stand by Senator Fowlkes on this measure, and... vote... In Favor... Excuse me, but, Governor Oswaldt, did you say you probably have children?
Mical Léo de Crion
Director, All Stars Burn As One Foundation
Chairman, Urban Youth College Fund
Owner, Château Hiver Rivière
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Saturday, 26 Jun 2010, 0:28 AM | Message # 5 |
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| "I would not be surprised, Senator Crion. I would not be surprised at all. Call me immodest if you must, or indiscreet if you will—but I do not deny that many admiring women have proven unable or, perhaps, unwilling to resist the appeal, no, the allure of this uniform and also this moustache, the uniform and the moustache of a man of power and a man of stamina, in government as well as in many, well, other things. And I do not deny, either, my weakness for them. Women who don't know what they want, but I do. I can see in their eyes what they desire, Senator, and what they desire is me. They are soft and supple women, usually. Blonde haired..." *Oswaldt's gaze drifted wistfully across the chamber to Ilanah Thanatos for a short moment, before looking back to Senator Crion, clearing his throat, and pitching his head back in his usual imperious manner* "The point is, Senator, I believe that I have fathered many children, yes. So I think I know a thing or two about being a father, and what children should or not be taught. I remain against this bill."
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Mical_de_Crion | Date: Saturday, 26 Jun 2010, 0:38 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Crion smiled in his Senate pod as Osaldt spoke, partly because he was attempting to contain his laughter, and partly becuase of the idea that had struck him. "So, you would say that for one to assume you are not a father, and thus knowing a thing or two about being a father, would be... ill advised?"
Mical Léo de Crion
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Saturday, 26 Jun 2010, 1:59 AM | Message # 7 |
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| I don't follow you, Senator. All I can say is what I have said, that I probably have children. You see, many women come to see me on Eriadu. I am the Governor, after all. They might say that they want me to hire more teachers at some school in Phelar, or hire more police, or have this paved or that cleaned, and so on. But I know what they really want, Senator, and I am happy to oblige. And if it is as pleasing for me as it surely is for her, well, then I will see to hiring teachers or police, or paving this or cleaning that. Whatever. As for the children though, I am, as you can see, a busy man. I haven't the time for such things. Are we finished with this subject? The point I was making, Senator Crion, is that the Jedi are horrible role models.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Mical_de_Crion | Date: Saturday, 26 Jun 2010, 2:02 AM | Message # 8 |
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| Governor Oswaldt, my point...you know, forget it. I think I'm going to end this conversation right here for your sake, my sake, the sake of the Senate...and anyone watching on channel 11...
Mical Léo de Crion
Director, All Stars Burn As One Foundation
Chairman, Urban Youth College Fund
Owner, Château Hiver Rivière
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Saturday, 26 Jun 2010, 11:25 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Governor Oswaldt, I'm pretty sure there will be reporters interested in your life story and you are free to tell them how colorful your life has become. However, this isn't the time to tell people how many women you have been with or be curious about someone else's sexual orientation. This floor belongs to the Senate, we are here to voice out our opinions and to vote on matters. I assume that's something you can handle. Now, if there is no one else that would like to say something, I propose that the Chief of State be the tiebreaker and have this matter closed.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Saturday, 26 Jun 2010, 11:51 PM | Message # 10 |
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| I concur with Senator Fowlkes that the comments of Governor Oswaldt are crude and reprehensible on far too many levels to truly appreciate. As for this measure, I find myself in agreement with Senator Crion, although I do have some hesitation; namely, we have seen from this debate how this program can be misrepresented as a "secret arm of the Jedi," or a plot to "kidnap" children. I do not agree with these assessments, mind you, and nor do I agree with Senator Cambrist that the Jedi would be a corrupting influence upon children. Far from it. But I am worried that the opponents of the Jedi, who we have seen here today, will continue to misrepresent this program to the public and appeal to the concerns of parents about the supposed "indoctrination" of children. This could eventually bring about more suspicion of the Jedi. However, I feel that we could avoid this by making this a private program without the involvement of the Young Legislators Program. That way, those who are suspicious of the Jedi can be assured that only parents who are interested in this program and want to send their children to it will do so. This also has the added benefit of paying for itself, and thus avoiding a fierce debate over government funding of a Jedi program. Also, if it were private it would, of course, not require a vote of the Senate.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Sunday, 27 Jun 2010, 7:09 PM | Message # 11 |
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| I am, of course, inclined to vote in favor of this proposition, as an avid supporter of the Jedi and their ideals. *Senator Thanatos pretended to ignore Senator Oswaldt's comments and glance.*
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Ponc_Gavrisom | Date: Sunday, 04 Jul 2010, 0:07 AM | Message # 12 |
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| The passion of Senator Fowlkes and Senator Thanatos for cordial relations with the Jedi is, as always, admirable. Governor Oswaldt's passions are rather less so. As President, I have continued the policy of my predecessor, President Organa Solo, of respect for the Jedi but also respectful distance. The Senator from Alderaan is a Jedi herself, mind you, and she and her esteemed brother, Master Skywalker, understand the importance of distance, or a "wall of separation," if you will, between the Jedi and government. I am wary, therefore, of a proposal that might involve the Jedi in a government program, or government funding. I admire the Jedi personally and I find it unfortunate that mistrust of them, the Academy, and the Jedi teachings is so common. I am even sympathetic to a program such as the one Senator Fowlkes has described. But a private program, perhaps, would be more appropriate. Or simply a new program at the Academy itself. I would like to hear the Academy's thoughts on this, and I think it would be prudent for us to consult with them outside of the Senate. In the meantime, I wonder if the Senator from Mowgle would consider withdrawing his proposal? I would be pleased to involve him, and his proposal, in discussions with Yavin.
Ponc Gavrisom
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Sunday, 04 Jul 2010, 8:25 AM | Message # 13 |
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| President Gavrisom, my proposal is not suggesting that the Jedi and the New Republic government be blended together. It is to simply help improve our future relations. I also understand the importance of distance, and there should be some space between the Jedi and the New Republic but not too much distance. The Old Jedi Order in the waning days of the Old Republic before the rise of the Galactic Empire made a mistake by isolating themselves from the rest of the galaxy, because of this they have become increasingly arrogant. The Old Republic was to blame also as they did not even attempt to keep their relationship with the Jedi. I am just a simple man that's trying to prevent a repeated mistake from happening. It's understandable that many mistrust the Jedi and their teachings, because those that fall would be likely to cause a great deal of destruction. We also have to understand that the Jedi is not without flaws. The Jedi are not gods. They are like us, with exception of the Force powers. I believe we still have to remain optimistic, for a few that fell, there are so many that still follow their own teachings. We have so much to learn from the Jedi, as they from us. Once again, I do not want us to repeat a mistake that happened four decades ago. We simply have to show the Jedi Academy that there are still those who trust the Jedi. As of opening a private program, I have met with several Senators on this and I have concur that it would be in the best interests for both parties. I would consider withdrawing my proposal in hopes of making a new proposal that would involve a private program and its funding. Thus, I withdraw my proposal. I am also currently at the Jedi Summit, I can see if I can arrange a meeting for us with the Jedi Academy if President Gavrisom wishes me to. I look forward to working with President Gavrisom on this.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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