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The Militia Oversight Act
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Thursday, 30 Apr 2009, 2:34 PM | Message # 16 |
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| No, Senator, again you're mistaken. So I ask again to name one example of what you said were "militias in the Republic that are out of control, and their commanding government doesn't take any accountability for their actions." You said militias, plural, so presumably you have more than one example (and should, to explain the power grab that you are proposing). I ask for only one. And if you're trying to make some accusation against Brentaal, or Neimoidia, please make your accusation Senator and do not hide behind strawmen. Senator Sir Reuke Cambrist, Brentaal
Chairman of the Commerce Council
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Thursday, 30 Apr 2009, 4:19 PM | Message # 17 |
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| Alrigt, I will give you that point on Vjun, after review of my available information...that was a situation of an Ambassador commenting on issues that he shouldn't have, and interfering in the debate of Republic member delegates. And if you ask for another example, then yes, Brentaal, as well as Neimoidia, would be an example. The Acherin Resolution was for the New Republic, and specifically the NRDF, to take military action against the Acherin regime. However, the Chief of State, and others, encourages a diplimatic effort be brought forth first, which is yet to happen. And again, military action was called for upon the NRDF, not the members of the New Republic. Members of the New Republic were also not called upon to enforce the resolution. However Brentaal and Neimoidia, as well as the security forces of the IMC, have taken it upon themselves to illegally enforce the resolution of their own accord. Some of the reports, which the Defense Council is currently going over at the moment, are disturbing, and paint a grim picture for the situation on the surface. Those involved have claimed that there would be stronger defenses if they hadn't struck immediatly, and there were attempts at diplomacy. Those remain to be proven, as there are also claims of piracy and crimes against civilians circulating, which are also to be looked in to. Actions aside, there is still merit in these militias going on their own to form and "enforce" New Republic foreign policy, and this is something that can not stand and must be cracked down upon. This is Vjun, only now it is being done by our own members. I will not allow these radicals to threaten even more worlds, and that is why this legislation has been brought forth.
General Cul'utaan'forte
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Thursday, 30 Apr 2009, 5:52 PM | Message # 18 |
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| Senator Forte, the reasons for our blockade of Acherin have already been explained to you, but since you apparently refuse to hear them there's not much sense in me explaining it again. Suffice to say, once again, you are wrong. Perhaps you will see reason during my testimony to your Council tomorrow morning, to which I am looking forward to clarifying the misperceptions and the distortions and frankly, the slander that has been waged upon the brave soldiers of Brentaal, who you demean as a "militia" that is "out of control." That it is out of your control, Senator, does not mean that it is "out of control," or that you can take away its rights and make a farce of the Common Charter. Alas, I will not demand an apology from you, for slandering a planetary defense force that is fighting the Imperial Remnant as we speak and saving innocent lives, because I'm certain you would not deign to apologize even for such shameful, odorous comments. Suffice to say, Senator, you are the last person who should be proposing a measure telling us "how to act." But, though I could continue to refute you for hours, I will save it for tomorrow's testimony and remain firmly against this act for the reasons already stated. Senator Sir Reuke Cambrist, Brentaal
Chairman of the Commerce Council
Message edited by Reuke_Cambrist - Thursday, 30 Apr 2009, 6:04 PM |
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Thursday, 30 Apr 2009, 6:38 PM | Message # 19 |
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| While I have said, and I do believe, that there should be some reasonable limitations on planetary defense forces, I would prefer those limitations to be proposed incrementally, with consensus, and in a manner that respects the sovereignty of our member worlds. I think it's important that we remember that each New Republic world is sovereign, it is autonomous, and it has the right to determine its own affairs and to defend itself, and that these are the principles that we all fight for and must uphold (even in the pursuit of an objective that is ostensibly reasonable, as the limitation of planetary forces is). While this bill is certainly well intentioned, I have to reluctantly agree that in its current form much of it is in fact unconstitutional, and vote against it. I think we have to recognize, sometimes to our annoyance but ultimately to our common strength, that planetary forces are not necessarily our subordinates, but rather our partners in the responsibility that we all share to keep the New Republic, its planets and its people, secure. But it is exactly that: a responsibility, and if planetary fleets are used irresponsibly then the Republic can insist on accountability. However, I believe that it can do so without "revoking" rights that are guaranteed in the Common Charter, or vesting in the Defense Council certain powers that are already, correctly, vested in the executive branch. If the Defense Council wishes to have oversight in this matter, as I would hope so, I strongly encourage it to use its existing authorities to inquire into the offenses and make recommendations (much like those that you propose here, Senator Forte) based on its findings. But otherwise, while we should pursue some limitations of planetary defense forces, where necessary, I think this current bill is far too ambitious a means to that end. Eli Fitzgerald
Chief of State
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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