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The Militia Oversight Act
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Wednesday, 29 Apr 2009, 8:18 PM | Message # 1 |
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| The Militia Oversight Act
Written by Senator Cul-utaan Forte, New Plympto It is unfortunate, but we face a mounting problem. Out of control militia forces...and these forces seem to continually bring forth an increased threat of retaliation against other Republic members, as well as even go as far as interfere with New Republic foreign policy. It is the hope of this bill that we finally bring forth control over our militia forces once more. Article I
Due to increasingly independent militia forces which have not only interfered in Republic foreign policy, but increased the risk of attack in retaliation by aggressors against the Republic, all planetary militia forces will hereby be under the immediate oversight of the Defense Council. Article II
With this oversight, with Defense Council approval, the NRDF may aquire the support, be it anywhere from a logistical role to a front line combat role, of planetary militias should the need arise. Also, in domestic affairs (i.e. rebellion, insurrection, terrorist attack), a NRDF command officer may take direct command of militia forces, should they deem it necesarry. Article III
Should a militia force be deemed out of control, the Defense Council may issue federal funding cuts, and should it deem it necesarry, go as far as nationalize a planetary militia, assuming direct federal control of all planetary defense and security, and temporarily revoke planetary militia rights. The assetts of the militia force would be repossessed by the NRDF, and used in a manner of benefit to the military and the Republic as a whole, while the Defense Council re-conditions the militia force into a disciplined military assett capable of effective combat. After re-conditioning the militia forces, they will be returned to the member in question, along with its militia rights. Article IV
In extreme cases, a world, and or its current regime, could be deemed unfit for holding militia rights. If this is the case, a large scale permanent NRDF base will be deployed to the world. Until the world can reform itself and it policies, it would not be allowed its militia rights.
General Cul'utaan'forte
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Wednesday, 29 Apr 2009, 9:00 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Senator Forte has brought forth a good argument with this act. As such, I have formed my own analysis of the Militia Oversight Act. Article I is acceptable. With the debacle of Acherin, it is quite obvious that out-of-control militias can have disastrous results on the good name of the New Republic. As such, it seems wise that the Defense Council be placed at the head of all planetary militias for the purpose of control and safety. Article II is also acceptable. The purpose of planetary militias, aside from offering a planet defensive forces in time in threat or invasion, is to back the ruling body's armed forces in time of war. Therefore, allowing the NRDF to assume command of a planetary militia is viable. Article III brings up problems, unfortunately. Funding cuts, extra taxes and revoking trade rights are certainly acceptable punishments for out-of-control planets. However, directly nationalizing a planet's militia is unacceptable. Repossessing the assets of a planetary militia, assuming they were not purchased from the New Republic, is practically theft. Speaking for Druckenwell, I would not wish our products and defensive items, bought through the money of taxpayers, to go to the NRDF. Regardless of reconditioning of a militia or not, the return of items or not, it is unacceptable. Article IV is unacceptable as well. Placing the NRDF and its bases in such a manner is nearly akin to hostile occupation, and that is something I would not tolerate on my world. As such, I am against this Act until Articles III and IV can be changed or modified to reflect a better path. Senator Ryuun, Druckenwell
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 29 Apr 2009, 9:52 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Senator Forte has not brought forth a good argument with this act. I agree with Senator Ryuun's vote and much of his reasoning, but by no means all of it. Article I is not acceptable. The idea that a military forces of any sort should be under the control of a committee of Senators is not only inappropriate, but criminally irresponsible as well. Having a planetary defense force under the command of the New Republic and its officers under certain, dire circumstances is one thing (and open to debate on its own merits), but having a fleet at the disposal of a council of civilian Senators is a blatant power grab without precedent or basis in law. Article II is not acceptable. We are not a banana republic, Senator Forte, we are the New Republic. It is outrageous (and not to mention unconstitutional) for some unspecified military officer to "take direct command" of a planet's fleets and soldiers "should they deem it necessary"! What kind of justification is that? One man's arbitrary opinion? An unelected man, no less? Even the Empire did not so unambiguously violate the rights of its planets as you propose to do, Senator. Article III, despite the fact that a planetary defense force being "out of control" is a hopelessly vague statement, is also not acceptable on too many grounds to count. The Defense Council does not have the authority to "issue federal funding cuts" (the Economics Council does, with the consent of the Senate), nor does it have the authority to command anything or revoke anyone's rights. The power to requisition planetary fleets is a power reserved to the Chief of State alone, and only when the Senate has voted him or her such a power, only in a crisis. Article IV, once again, is not acceptable. Every planet, as a condition of its membership in the New Republic, has the right to defend itself, and is a right that the Senate cannot (and certainly the Defense Council cannot) take away from a world because it is "deemed unfit" in Cul'utaan Forte's opinion. And the idea of stationing a garrison on a planet, against that planet's will, as a punitive measure, is not only patently unconstitutional, but frankly reminiscent of the Empire. I vote against this absurd, unconstitutional, and tyrannical measure, because I don't want to see the mass secessions from the New Republic that would undoubtedly result from its passage. Is that what Senator Forte wishes to see? He has been a secessionist before, and he has fraternized with the idea in recent debates. Strange that a former member of the Confederacy should propose a bill reminiscent of everything he supposedly fought against in the Clone Wars. Senator Sir Reuke Cambrist, Brentaal
Chairman of the Commerce Council
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Thursday, 30 Apr 2009, 5:00 AM | Message # 4 |
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| So essentially Mr Forte, you want the Defense Council, headed up by Yourself... to have control of every military force outside of the NRDF in the whole of the New Republic? This is a ridiculous motion, and I also do not hestitate to question the patriotism of Senator Forte in presenting this act! He slanders every male and female serving in a planetary defense force by calling them 'Militia', a good number of them are trained and fight in a manner equal or exceeding that of NRDF Soldiers, Starship Crew and Pilots... This motion involves not putting a Militia under the command of the defense council.. but whole professional armies! And to think of the sheer cost involved in enforcing this change of chain of command, for I cannot imagine any military willingly disobeying their sovereign government and obeying the defense council's cronies... you would need to replace all officers certainly, and a good many NCOs in any unit you took over... the cost would be billions upon billions, and even this ammount of money does not guarantee your sucess. And to put it frankly, this is a motion which makes a joke of the constitution, and the New Republic itself.
Moff of the Tammuz Sector
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Thursday, 30 Apr 2009, 12:57 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Not control, Senator Kruus...effective oversight and regulation. We have a problem. There are militias in the Republic that are out of control, and their commanding government doesn't take any accountability for their actions. We have oversight, but no regulation. All we can do at this time, is watch, point our finger...and watch some more. This has caused several problems throughout the past year, and has increased the threat of attack against countless Republic worlds. It is the feeling of the Defense Council that this radical measure is what is needed at this time to reel in these radical military units. Throughout time, the Oversight act can be revised...loosened...once the member begin to understand how they should act. Now, the Senator of Druckenwell does bring up some valid concerns, concerns that merit a Amendment. I should make of note however, the repossession of equipment would be temporary, and returned once re-conditioning was complete. Also, as being a part of the Republic, it would not be a hostile occupation, unless you viewed the Republic as your enemy. Being a part of the Republic allows the Republic to deploy its forces to its member worlds as it sees fit. One should consider it an honor, as there would be countless civilian contractor jobs and a large scale economy boost to a planet that holds a major base. The Druckenwell Amendment
Article III
Should a militia force be deemed out of control, the Defense Council may issue federal funding cuts, and should it deem it necesarry, go as far as to take immediate oversight of a planetary militia, assuming temporary direct federal control of all planetary defense and security, and temporarily revoke rights to militia expansion, while the Defense Council re-conditions the militia force into a disciplined military assett capable of effective combat. During this process, local leaders would be included within the planning and decision making. After re-conditioning the militia forces, full militia rights would be restored. Article IV
In extreme cases, a world, and or its current regime, could be deemed unfit for holding militia rights. If this is the case, a large scale temporary NRDF base will be deployed to the world. Until the world can reform itself and it policies, it would not be allowed its militia rights. During this timeframe, NRDF forces will work with militia forces, training, acting in a command role, and essentially being a model for which the militia forces can base themselves off of.
General Cul'utaan'forte
Forte's Legion
Message edited by Cul-utaanForte - Thursday, 30 Apr 2009, 1:22 PM |
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Thursday, 30 Apr 2009, 1:19 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Quote We have a problem. There are militias in the Republic that are out of control, and their commanding government doesn't take any accountability for their actions. We have oversight, but no regulation. All we can do at this time, is watch, point our finger...and watch some more. This has caused several problems throughout the past year, and has increased the threat of attack against countless Republic worlds. Name one example. Senator Sir Reuke Cambrist, Brentaal
Chairman of the Commerce Council
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Thursday, 30 Apr 2009, 1:19 PM | Message # 7 |
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| With the changes currently made and, providing there is some fine-tuning of Articles III and IV, especially IV, for occupation in any sense is not an action to take or assume lightly, Druckenwell with change its vote from nay to aye and support the passing of this act. Senator Ryuun, Druckenwell
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Thursday, 30 Apr 2009, 1:22 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Does Senator Ryuun understand that even with Senator Forte's amendments, the bill is unconstitutional? Senator Sir Reuke Cambrist, Brentaal
Chairman of the Commerce Council
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Thursday, 30 Apr 2009, 1:30 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Thank you Senator Ryuun, and I thank you for your insight...and providing the inherant issues this bill has. As for your example Senator Cambrist, I only need to mention one word, and with that word, one man. Vjun and Bernard Oriel.
General Cul'utaan'forte
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Thursday, 30 Apr 2009, 1:34 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Vjun was not a member of the New Republic, Senator. It's an entirely different issue. Senator Sir Reuke Cambrist, Brentaal
Chairman of the Commerce Council
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Thursday, 30 Apr 2009, 1:39 PM | Message # 11 |
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| They were an Affiliate Member, and thus a member of the New Republic. They merely lacked Full Membership, but still fell under the jurisdiction of Senate authority.
General Cul'utaan'forte
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Thursday, 30 Apr 2009, 1:43 PM | Message # 12 |
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| No, Senator, they did not. Senator Sir Reuke Cambrist, Brentaal
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Thursday, 30 Apr 2009, 1:57 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Then if that were the case, then perhaps someone can explain to me why we became involved in their affairs, or why they were in the Senate if they apparently weren't members.
General Cul'utaan'forte
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Thursday, 30 Apr 2009, 2:04 PM | Message # 14 |
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| An affiliate member, Senator, is a status for an autonomous, but allied "political unit" which is allowed to have its interests represented in the Senate, but is not allowed a vote (and without a vote, of course, it is not subject to regulation without representation). If Vjun were under the authority of the New Republic, then we wouldn't have had the problems we did. Your bill, Senator Forte, would do nothing to prevent the Vjun affair. Senator Sir Reuke Cambrist, Brentaal
Chairman of the Commerce Council
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Thursday, 30 Apr 2009, 2:14 PM | Message # 15 |
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| I've found a few records however, of Vjun submiting votes, and said votes being counted within the final tally. So then by administrative fault, they did have representation thus did fall under Senate authority. And yes, my bill would not prevent Vjun with a situation as Vjun was, but it would prevent another Vjun happening to an out of control member world, like Vjun was.
General Cul'utaan'forte
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