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The Senatorial Bonus Act
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Saturday, 17 Oct 2009, 11:16 AM | Message # 1 |
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| Gentlemen, We have labored for years for peace, we have worked hard, and have made many sacrafices. But now we have suceeded, the war has ended and we are no longer forced to trade with the Imperials 'under the table' if we wish to trade with our neighbours, this is a good thing! Peace exists, prosperity is returning to the Galaxy. Should we, as the instigators of this peace not be rewarded for our hard work? I propose a one-off bonus of 1,000,000 credits for each Senator in this Senate (untaxed) to be gifted to thank them for their hard work. I also propose raising the basic pay of Senators in this chamber by 200%, and propose that this pay rate be allowed to stand extant up to the time hostilities are renewed with the Remnant. This would provide a very effective carrot for maintaining Galactic Peace. What Senator will vote for war when it will affect their finances so badly. This will be an effective way to enact the Chief's 'Peace First' doctrine.
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Saturday, 17 Oct 2009, 2:54 PM | Message # 2 |
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| I would not vote for, or accept, a bonus of such obscene proportions; especially as a "reward" for the most disadvantageous and, frankly, despicable treaty the New Republic has ever agreed to. I opposed its signing, I opposed its ratification, and I still oppose it. However, even if this measure was honestly designed to "encourage peace" (in the form of what is essentially a bribe, I might add), the one million credit figure, and the 200% increase in salary are excessive, and gratuitous. We're not elected to benefit our wallets; we're elected to benefit the people we represent, and we shouldn't need any financial incentive to do so. It's a discouraging sign of how the Senate has evolved over the last decade that such a measure as this one is even proposed. I vote against.
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Saturday, 17 Oct 2009, 3:41 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Senator Fitzgerald, is peace really so awful? Is it so "despicable" that soldiers (from Brentaal, Dantooine, and even Ralltiir) are, at long last, home with their families instead of sacrificing their lives against the same, stubborn rival that we've fought for decades and, no doubt, would fight for decades more if we were to resume the war? I say that peace is a good thing, and should be incentivized which is exactly what this measure, ingeniously, proposes to do. I vote in favor. Senator Sir Reuke Cambrist, Brentaal
Chairman of the Commerce Council
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Saturday, 17 Oct 2009, 3:50 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Mr Fitzgerald, well may you be named Airstrike, for you ordered many in your day. But the time of war is over now. The time of peace is upon us, peace will reign and as such I propose this motion to secure it.
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Saturday, 17 Oct 2009, 3:59 PM | Message # 5 |
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| The treaty is certainly not perfect; it has its flaws, but I am inclined to agree, as I've argued often, that the time for peace has come. The terms might not be as "advantageous" as we would prefer, but certainly War is advantageous to no one. Thus, I agree in principle with this proposal, however I agree with Senator Fitzgerald that the bonuses and salary increases are simply too high, and unnecessarily so. If Senator Tiure would agree to a more modest salary increase of perhaps 25%, and a bonus of no more than 25,000 credits (and an "opt out" provision, for Senators who choose to do so), I could be persuaded to support this measure.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Saturday, 17 Oct 2009, 4:32 PM | Message # 6 |
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| 1,000,000 credits per Senator? Have you done the math and figured how many credits that is for every Senator in this Senate? Could such a sum not be put to a better use? The war, gentlemen, may be over, but the suffering and aftermath of war is certainly far from it. Perhaps such an amount of credits could be, instead, donated to ease the suffering and financial burden of civilian sentient beings affected by it. That is a scenario much preferred to lining your own pockets. Perhaps, Senators, if you removed the silver spoons from your mouths long enough to see beyond your gilded chambers, you would think differently of such an extravagant 'bonus'. If it is not obvious, I vote against the extravagance proposed. Peace should not be something that is bought.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Ponc_Gavrisom | Date: Saturday, 17 Oct 2009, 4:34 PM | Message # 7 |
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| The settlement of the Imperial problem, which has now been achieved is, in my view, only the prelude to a larger settlement in which all of the Galaxy may find peace. Peace in our time gentlemen, peace in our time. That is what we have sucessfully established in the peace treaty. No longer our beings obligated to march in the defense of their worlds, no longer does war rage across a dozen fronts. People are safe, the economy is growing and things are getting better. It does not seem unreasonable to put into force an incentive system, and while I personally do not feel I need any more money, and will donate it to charity, many Senators do not have private means, and this will help go towards their day to day expenses as well as acting to encourage them towards peace. Thus I vote in favour of Mr Vanden's amendment.
Ponc Gavrisom
Chief of State
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Saturday, 17 Oct 2009, 9:44 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I vote against this or any other similar bill. The only thing we have accomplished is blocking the Face of the Empire from attacking, the Fists still lurk out there, and is prepared to strike. Several rogue warlords are still free and capable of inflicting efffective campaigns against us. This "Peace" is merely placing a blindfold over the people's eyes... the threat is still very real. And aside from peace with one faction of the Remnant, what have we truely accomplished? Crime still runs rampant...education in many areas of the galaxy is horrid, if existant...rogue groups carry out warfare against one another, still bringing war and misery upon innocent beings...many worlds still lie in ruins from the fighting against the Remnant...victims are still uncompensated for the atrocities they have suffered...and many peoples are still oppressed, merely dreaming of the idea of freedom, a concept that is very foreign to those I speak of. My fellow delegates... peace is something that is still very non-existant in this Galaxy...and these "accomplishments" are mere words, not actual deeds. And should they be actually accomplished, Senator Thanatos hit it right on the head...these funds have a far better use than to line the pockets of ones who vastly do not need it compared to those they govern. I do believe that nothing like this would have even been considered during the administration of the Honorable Senator Fitzgerald...and I too agree, that it is discouraging to see the evolution of the Senate over the past decade. That problem is something the Corruption Panel is going solve, and it starts right here...by blocking this bill.
General Cul'utaan'forte
Forte's Legion
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| OrionKarath | Date: Saturday, 17 Oct 2009, 11:19 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Citing Senators Forte, Fitzgerald, and Thanatos; I vote against this measure or any similar legislation. I also would like to formally ask Senator Vanden to give a Nay vote for this measure, citing the points brought forth by those I have cited.
Orion Karath
Manager from June 2009 to Present, Administrator from December 2011 to Present
My posts here, pre-2009 archives here
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Sunday, 18 Oct 2009, 1:26 AM | Message # 10 |
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| To clarify, the reason that I have supported this measure is surely not for the reasons that it is opposed. I agree with Senator Fitzgerald, as I said, and with Senator Thanatos and the others (although, respectfully, not with Senator Forte) that it is certainly an unseemly measure, and I had hoped that my amendment would resolve this to a degree. However, in consideration of the measure of opposition to this bill I do indeed reverse my vote and now stand opposed. I agree with the Chief of State and the other proponents of this measure that peace should be incentivized, with pay if need be, but perhaps this is not the means to do it. If Senator Tiure wishes, instead, to propose a measure whereby the Senate's salary is reduced from its current levels in the event that war is resumed, rather than raising salary, I would support such a measure.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Sunday, 18 Oct 2009, 9:02 AM | Message # 11 |
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| While such a pittance does not affect me, consider the many thousands of senators without means as I do. As a loyal member of the Administration I will vote in line with the Chief of States vote in favour of a 25% pay increase and 25,000 bonus for bringing peace in our time.
Moff of the Tammuz Sector
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| Gustav_Emerest | Date: Sunday, 18 Oct 2009, 8:39 PM | Message # 12 |
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| This bill is the most obscene bill I have seen in my 50 plus years as Senator to, not one, not two, but three governments!! I cannot believe the sheer asinine nature of this bill. It is my duty, nay, the very nature of my existence compels me to vote without any hesitation in the matter, no. Senator of Coruscant, Gus Emerest
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| Ponc_Gavrisom | Date: Wednesday, 21 Oct 2009, 11:33 AM | Message # 13 |
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| This motion fails. 5 Against 4 In favour.
Ponc Gavrisom
Chief of State
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