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Releasing a War Criminal?
Eli_FitzgeraldDate: Thursday, 22 Oct 2009, 9:06 PM | Message # 1
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The Chief of State has made no remarks to the Senate regarding the capture of our gunship by the Imperial Remnant, so we are left only to assume from his statements to Imperial officials, and from the news, that he is in negotiations with these officials on the release of our ship, and our crew. Does Chief of State Gavrisom intend to inform the Senate at all of what he's proposing to concede to the Remnant now?

One thing is clear; that your apology to the Remnant and lambasting of our own fleet is premature at best, and irresponsible at worst. You are giving the benefit of the doubt to our enemies, rather than our own servicemen who, it seems, did nothing to provoke this incident. If anything, the Chief of State should demand some evidence of the Remnant's claim that the Republic "started it," because if there is no such evidence then it is apparent that they have broken the treaty, not us.

I will not prejudge the Chief of State if, in fact, he is in sensitive negotiations with the Remnant. However, I do demand on behalf of the Senate more transparency about what's being agreed to and done in our name.


Eli Fitzgerald
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Ponc_GavrisomDate: Friday, 23 Oct 2009, 11:11 AM | Message # 2
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Mr Fitzgerald.

The fleet is not at fault in this, the Fleet is as institution a bastion of this Democracy. A protective wall which provides an aegis to us from the forces that might threaten us. Any criticism (if it is to be made) will be against the one officer who may have acted irresponsibly in engaging a Star Destroyer with a Corvette, rather than simply surrendering his vessel with no loss of life (at which point we could negotiate its return), rather than the multiple fatalities that occured.

Anyway, Mr Fitzgerald, I plan to procede on an already proposed program of prisoner exchanges, with the New Republic Crewmen being transfered to our custody and in return an Imperial Prisoner being transfered to their own custody. As you will agree it is far more humane to allow a being to pass out his sentence with his own people.

Regardless, I will hold a full commission into the affair once events are concluded, and I am sure Mr Fitzgerald will consent to sit upon such a panel, should his membership be requested.


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Eli_FitzgeraldDate: Saturday, 24 Oct 2009, 8:33 PM | Message # 3
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I'm not convinced that it is more humane, considering the Remnant's flimsy record when it comes to its "justice" system. I am curious though how the Remnant has agreed to release our crew of close to 100, including one of our Admirals, in exchange for just one prisoner. Who is this prisoner, and what is the charge against him? I don't see the need to waste the taxpayer's credits on a commission if the Chief of State will simply be transparent in his dealings now.

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Ponc_GavrisomDate: Saturday, 24 Oct 2009, 8:36 PM | Message # 4
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I think you will agree Imperial Prisons are CONSIDERABLY less pleasent than our own. I am quite sure Captain Holt will be far less happy in their custody than in our comfy cell.

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Cul-utaanForteDate: Saturday, 24 Oct 2009, 11:57 PM | Message # 5
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We have released a war criminal, possibly to return to service with his former government. This is a disgrace to the New Republic and an insult to the founders, as well as a smack to the face of the members of the Administration. The Ruling Council, the High Council, and the Advisory Council...which I'm told from reliable sources within staffers of these bodies that they were not consulted at all in this matter and the Chief of State has acted on his own. This is a frightening development in Chief Gavrisom's policies dealing with the Remnant. I concur with the Honorable Senator Fitzgerald in calling for transparancy in these dealings. And although they won't say it, I'm sure the crew of the Pioneer would rather be in Imperial prisons than to let this bastard go free.

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Ponc_GavrisomDate: Sunday, 25 Oct 2009, 0:09 AM | Message # 6
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Senator Forte is called to note on a point of information. Furthermore I call him to order for using obscenity in the Chamber.

Mr Holt has been transfered to the custody of the Imperial Prison Service. Not, as Mr Forte suggests, released. But perhaps this had gone over your head. These are very high-level discussions after all. You are also called to explain your comments on myself not consulting the correct committees.

Borsk Fey'lya, Chair of the Justice Council and Krall Praget, Chair of the Council on Security and Intelligence were both consulted, in depth, on this release. Due legal procedure was followed and I have acted legitimately within my powers.

Furthermore, I hereby order your panel to launch an investigation into these 'staffers' who are divulging what the High Levels of the Government are discussing in classifed discussions, and also if you by recieving this information are breaking the relevant State Security Legislation.


Ponc Gavrisom
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Eli_FitzgeraldDate: Sunday, 25 Oct 2009, 0:47 AM | Message # 7
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Senator Forte does not deserve to be called to order for calling Mr. Holt a "bastard." A bastard should be called what he is—a bastard. This Holt, according to the records, is responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of innocent civilians, and you're willing to release him? Yes, I said release. The Chief of State, in his naïveté, has forgotten that the Imperial Remnant that he assumes will prosecute Mr. Holt for his crimes are, let's recall, the same people who enthusiastically ordered and endorsed his crimes!

Mr. Holt was sentenced to two life terms, and yet with his release now he will have served less than 20 minutes in prison for each death he's caused. What sort of justice is this? I second the words of Senator Forte, that were I the one captured I would gladly volunteer to remain in a cell if it means that a monster of the likes of this man remains in one as well.


Eli Fitzgerald
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Simon_LeviDate: Sunday, 25 Oct 2009, 0:54 AM | Message # 8
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I call the Chief of State to restore Order!

Expletives are not permissable language!


Moff of the Tammuz Sector

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Ponc_GavrisomDate: Sunday, 25 Oct 2009, 0:56 AM | Message # 9
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Mr Fitzgerald is also called to order for use of unparliamentary language.

*called the Sergeant-at-Arms over to his position, they squaked to each other for a second before continuing.*

The next person to use this expletive in the chamber will be removed from the chamber for a duration of one hour. This will apply to any further points of order on this debate.

There will be order in this chamber.

He is being released to the Imperial Prison Service in order that he serve out his sentence in the Remnant, to be in prison around his own people on humanitarian grounds, not in order that he be released fully. Whether he will be prosecuted for further crimes is irrelevant.


Ponc Gavrisom
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Eli_FitzgeraldDate: Sunday, 25 Oct 2009, 1:11 AM | Message # 10
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I apologize to the chamber. However, let the record show that those who lost loved ones as a result of Mr. Holt's crimes, I'm sure, have words far stronger than that one with which to describe him and, perhaps, to describe our Chief of State as well. If President Gavrisom believes that Mr. Holt will be one week in Imperial prison for what the Imperials don't even regard as crimes, then this is truly criminal naïveté.

Eli Fitzgerald
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Jory_CarsonDate: Monday, 26 Oct 2009, 10:11 PM | Message # 11
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“I find, not only this act, but this entire chamber preposterous saving for those precious few members I could count on one hand. And for those not well versed in human anatomy let me stress that I have only five fingers on each hand, if I include the thumb.

“I can barely restrain myself from explanatives as an excuse to be removed from this chamber. Frankly speaking, Sir, you should remove yourself for such an obscene gesture as allowing a war criminal with the record of Gordon Holt out of his cell alive!

“If I may quote a fellow Senator; ‘this is an outrage’!

“I can only hope that, before death takes me, the New Republic starts functioning again and Mr. Holt has an unfortunate accident involving an improperly installed airlock seal.”

 
Ilanah_ThanatosDate: Tuesday, 27 Oct 2009, 2:29 PM | Message # 12
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I can hardly believe that the elected Chief of State could even think for a moment that this prisoner of war, Gordon Holt, will actually remain in Imperial Custody if released. It is simply showing the Remnant that we are trusting of them and releasing a war criminal that could very well commit such atrocities again! I agree completely with Senator Fitzgerald, and will support any motions or legislation that keeps a murderer from going free.

President Gavrisom, think about the safety of the people and the worlds that you have sworn and oath to look out for the best interests of. What would those people think if you were to allow this to happen? How exactly do you want your term to be remembered?


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OrionKarathDate: Tuesday, 27 Oct 2009, 9:57 PM | Message # 13
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Mine was one office that was not consulted in this matter...and the possibility of someone like Holt escaping and continuing a campaign against the Republic is a Defense matter. However, it was a member of my staff that leaked the lack of notification or consultation, and that member is being handled appropriatly. He was new, and still undergoing orientation. I do believe we should have waited, and gone through a more in depth discussion of the matter of prisoner exchange. I am abit intrigued why it was only one man, Holt, the Imperials wanted in exchange for one of our Admirals, let alone the NRDF Inspector General, his staff, and a crew of 91, totalling 100. This is something for us to see at the point, but regardless I do have little faith in the Imperial prison system. And as extremist as they may seem to some, the opposition's points do carry some weight and merit.

I apologize to the Chief of State if I seem to be breaking the Adminstrative line on this subject, but do not mistake my words for outright opposition, merely cautious observation. I do believe a more thorough consideration should have been taken...and perhaps all, not just some, of the Administration being involved. And I'm sure that members of the High Council and Advisory Council are not happy with the deal either. If you must sum up my views...it is this; we must not act on impulse. We must weigh and measure everything, with good consideration...before acting or making it law. That is the essence of what it means to be the galactic government. What we do, impacts countless lives, in ways many of us can't even conceive...I do believe all of us, even myself, at some point or another throughout our careers have failed to realise this at some point. It is our actions, by which future generations will be guided...and by which we all will be judged.


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