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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Monday, 15 Feb 2010, 1:41 AM | Message # 1 |
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| Senators, I was shocked, and I was horrified today. I saw my colleague, Senator Cambrist, criticise Zuthus Bralor, and his leadership of the "Old Mandalorians", which may I say, are the only TRUE Mandalorians. The Mandalorians are noble beings, warriors as we of Dantooine are. Hard men, men who have grown out of the very earth of the world which they till, and from which they bring forth bread through the sweat of their brows. As the people of Dantooine have, the people of Mandalore have been long suffering, especially from the Empire. We recognise their unique cultural heritage as being compatible with our own. And their use of Imperial captives as prisoners to work on their plantations is not unreasonable. The soldiers of the Empire must pay for what they did to us, and to Mandalore. They deserve to be as they are, the Chattle slaves of the state. These puny New Mandalorians did not even have the courage to resist the Empire with force, how then can these cowards be considered worthy friends of the New Republic. I call upon Mr Reuke Cambrist to formally apologise for his words, and recant them in this Senate. I intend to travel to visit Mr Bralor on Mandalore, as a show of solidarity.
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Monday, 15 Feb 2010, 2:17 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Beings of the Senate, What we are seeing here is an abominable move on the rights of the Industrious and Peaceful world of Kalevala, by the militant forces of the Mandalorian Dictator, Bralor. The Mandalorians are slaveholders, and have held Imperial Citizens as chattels long after the peace was made with them. A whole generation has grown up on Mandalore, not knowing freedom. I do not believe that these Warrior-Overseers Deserve anything less than our utter scorn and criticism. I call upon the Government of the New Republic to Formally Recognise Kalevala as an Independant Self Governing Entity, and as such Guarantee its Sovereignty. Neimoidia also calls for our New Republic embassy and recognition to be withdrawn from the Mandalorian Dictatorship of Zuthus Bralor until he meets the following conditions. - The Immediate Recanting of the Slave Trade, the Unconditional Release of all Slaves and reparations to all Slaves for their work which has contributed to the Mandalorian Economy. I have been instructed by my accountants that a fair level of reparations would be 40 Acres of Farmland and a Nerf for each Adult man and Woman held in captivity. - The Immediate Recognition of the Galactic Powers as they stand in the Bastion Accords (The New Republic and the Imperial Remnant) and open peace negotiations with the Galactic Empire, who have shown an abundant willingness to make a favourable peace with yourselves, that recognises your current territory. - The Immediate Recognition of the Independence of Kalevala, and the acceptance of their alternative choice of lifestyle, as Equal and as Legitimate as your Warrior Creed. Should the Dictator refuse these most reasonable conditions, then we suggest that the New Republic Further explicitly authorises worlds to use any means within their ability to sanction this Warrior-Dictatorship and bring it into line with the peaceful atmosphere established by the Bastion Accords.
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Monday, 15 Feb 2010, 2:58 AM | Message # 3 |
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| The morose and apparently enraged Hutt replied to Kruus over the Holonet from his Corvette en route to Mandalore. "Dantooine demands that Senator Kruus is called to order for his inflammatory criticism of the Honourable Warrior, Zuthus Bralor. Kalevala should clearly be regarded as a tributary and fief of the Mandalore, and as such not a sovereign body, how can a body which cannot defend itself be sovereign? For do they not give up the right to be sovereign, when they give up on their own defence. We must respect the Historical traditions of Mr Bralors Mandalorians, and not the paplike, weak willed cowards on Kalevala! Dantooine stands by its friend, Mandalore."
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| Ponc_Gavrisom | Date: Monday, 15 Feb 2010, 3:07 AM | Message # 4 |
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| The Chair declines at this time to issue a call to order to either Senator. But we do call for temperance and good conduct within this Chamber, however, I do encourage a representative from the Kalevalan Government "New Mandalorians" and also the "Old Mandalorian" Empire under Zuthus Bralor to make their views clear upon the sovereignty of Kalevala, and the wider issues raised by Senators Tiure and Kruus. The Representatives from Mandalore and Kalevala may have the floor if they so wish. But I would caution them to speak in a Pariamentary manner, or they will have recognition of their right to speak withdrawn and they will be ejected from the Chamber. I believe this situation is escalating beyond its significance, and the only way we can solve this genuine difference of opinions is by a rational debate between the two parties on the floor of the Senate, after which the Senate will adjourn for the purpose of resolution-writing. After this the Senate will re-convene and present solutions to the problem. Representatives, you have the floor. Would the Mandalorian Representative explain his Governments position relating to Kalevala's Sovereignty or Lack thereof, Its position on Slavery and its position on making peace with the Galactic Powers as recognised in the Bastion Accords.
Ponc Gavrisom
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| Zuthus_Bralor | Date: Monday, 15 Feb 2010, 9:41 AM | Message # 5 |
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| OOC:I'll have to be brief here not much time I must thank the Jamie for defending our honor and express outrage at Senator Kruus for outright lying to this senate. To answer the following questions: as per the charges of slavery I do believe you may be referring to the Imperial POW we have in our possession. To summarize we are awaiting negotiations with the Empire before their release as we have reason to believe some of our people are held quite literally as slaves. We have yet to determine if the Empire deserves recognition in any terms of Peace. I believe any rational being would see it this way after experience 20 years of brutal slavery from the Empire. I refer of course to my people who as a whole are reluctant to enter the Bastion Accords, also reluctant to fight the Empire at this time as well. To elaborate the official stance of Mandalore: if we are going to enter a peace with the Empire it will be under independent negotiation and a peace treaty separate from the Bastion Accords. Most Mandalorians don't trust the empire enough to allow free movement into our system or trade for that matter. This lack of trust is going to take a few generation to heal but I personally not opposed to starting this process. As far as Kalevala it's part of the Mandalorian government we don't recognize it as an independent entity at least in the sense that it can bring people in with out first clearing it with our government for security purposes. A good portion of the planet Kalevala's population follows True mandalorian ideas, we are keen in making sure those citizens are treated fairly by the New Mandalorians. Conversely we also recognize the New Mandalorians as a sort of separate political party. We don't prefer the extreme pacifism in fact we reject it. However again we are looking forward to the day when are people can become more one. On a final note I would like to speak to the Chief of State private on Senator Kruus's governments recent incursion upon Mandalorian space. Zuthus Bralor
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| Duchess_Valeria_Orcades | Date: Monday, 15 Feb 2010, 1:15 PM | Message # 6 |
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| The Duchess of Kalevala's image would shimmer upon the Holonet. She was tall and thin in stature, with a pair of sad deepset eyes. She wore a black dress with a tight, strapless corset bodice and a princess skirt with voluminous fabric. Her hair was pulled back in a graceful chignon, and her eyes were rimmed with gray and black shadow with crystals pressed beneath her left eye, giving the appearance of tear drops. I will say this only once. Kalevala is Sovereign, and her people will not be slaves to your Mandalorian government. Zuthus, I recognize and do not condone your governments use of prisoners of war as slaves. But I will be bold and ask that you release your prisoners to Kalevala, I wish to buy their freedom. Indeed, there are those on Kalevala that practice your traditions. They are treated equally, and are free to wear their armor and live the life they wish, as long as they respect Kalevala. My invitation to you still stands, and I'm not opposed to visiting your world as well. Senator Jamulon, your outburst is immature and rather inappropriate. Your suggestion that Kalevala be regarded as a fief to Mandalore is disrespectful, as a result you're not welcome on Kalevala. Any imports and exports will be banned from Dantooine, until you've written a formal apology. In your ignorance, you suggest that my people are cowards. The people of Kalevala can and will defend themselves, there is Pascifism and then there's idiocy. It would be idiotic to allow one's self to be abused, self-defense is necessary. If diplomacy failed and I were faced with a choice, life or death? It's kill or be killed, or rather stun or be killed. Kalevala is not cowardly or weak, for her Duchess and people are strong-willed. If you're unconvinced, then I propose this; I will visit the homeworld of Mandalore, unarmed and unprotected. What say you Zuthus Bralor? Will you accept me as your guest?
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Monday, 15 Feb 2010, 5:59 PM | Message # 7 |
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| I apologise to the Chief of State for the interjection, but did the Representative of Mandalore just claim sovereignty over neutral deep space outside of their borders, and also Kalevala? This sounds like a most dangerous and outrageous statement. How can an Ministry of Education Facility outside Mandalorian space be an encroachment on your border? This is an outrage. This shows the paranoid, militarist mindset we have come to expect from the "Old Mandalorian" Administration.
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 16 Feb 2010, 1:13 AM | Message # 8 |
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| If I may also interject—I feel no compelling need to refute Senator Tiure's remarks since her grace, the Duchess Valeria, and Senator Kruus have already done so. I believe also that Senator Tiure's horrendous record on slavery speaks for itself and, thus, his peculiar interest in Mandalore is rather transparent. I certainly feel no need to apologize; the Duchess most graciously invited me to speak on Kalevala, and I did. In my remarks, I warned that the independence of that world and its peaceful, tolerant, New Mandalorian government was being threatened by the primitive, belligerent, Old Mandalorian regime of Mr. Bralor. This is the issue here, Senators. I have accused Mr. Bralor of imperiously forcing his politics and his culture on Kalevala, the Mandalore Sector and, possibly, the Outer Rim. He stood in this very chamber nigh a moment ago and confirmed my suspicions—he does not recognize the independence of Kalevala, a peace-loving world of no harm to anyone, which he has confessed to "hate." I fear, Senators, that the Old Mandalorians will not rest until Kalevala has been made a part of what Mr. Bralor calls the "Mandalorian Empire." His objection to Neimoidia's research facility is only more proof of this. The Duchess Valeria has been most courageous in standing for a diplomatic solution, but also letting it be known that Kalevala will defend itself if need be. It is my understanding that the government of her world is, in fact, arranging to defend itself as speak. I must implore her, however, not to visit Mandalore alone; Mr. Bralor cannot control the savage temperament of his people, and considering the volume of death threats that I have recieved simply for speaking in defense of Kalevala—including a threat from Mr. Bralor himself—I fear that she would find herself in tremendous peril on Mandalore. One thing, I believe, is certain. The example that the Duchess has set should inspire this Senate to stand with Kalevala in its hour of need.
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| Zuthus_Bralor | Date: Tuesday, 16 Feb 2010, 7:28 PM | Message # 9 |
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| I must decline a current meeting with the Duchess of Kalevala upon her planet but she is welcome to dine upon some Uj cake with me and talk over these issues on Mandalore. I must again clarify. When the Empire came in and enslaved the people of Mandalore they enslaved all people regardless of the political affiliations. We were all once slaves so I'm not going to enslave fellow Mandalorians, nor attack those that do not attack me and my people. Even we Mandalorians generally don't see that as sensible.
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 17 Feb 2010, 1:29 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Time will tell.
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| Mical_de_Crion | Date: Thursday, 18 Feb 2010, 8:25 AM | Message # 11 |
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| Unless I am mistaken, I do believe the Mandalorians, meaning the government of Mandalore, thus Bralor's government, are the sovereign government over the Mandalore Sector. By that power, the Neimoidian installation is in fact an encroachment upon Mandalorian Space. Now, to address the issue at hand, I will simply say: The Mandalore Sector and its systems are not a part of the New Republic. They are not affialiate members of the New Republic. In times of war against the Empire, they have been allies...but those times are gone. Thus, we have no business being involved in politics and government of a neutral, unaligned region of space, that while clearly having its own internal issues, still does not demand our presence. We can not maintain an interventionist policy, or begin to "police the galaxy". I believe the vote against the Resolution Against Piracy was more or less a statement to that fact.
Mical Léo de Crion
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Thursday, 18 Feb 2010, 12:01 PM | Message # 12 |
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| This pose a challenge to the Mandalorians, obviously. While the Mandalorian Empire, aka Zuthus' Mandalorians, is the official sovereign government over the Mandalore Sector, the government of Kalevala is trying to establish their own identity. No doubt some of us within the Republic, and perhaps some outside the Republic recognize Kalevala as the "New" Mandalorians. Instead of each Mandalorian government fighting for the rights to run the Mandalore Sector and that the Republic should support one another, why don't the Mandalorian Empire and the government of Kalevala come up with an agreement? Mr. Bralor said himself that he'd like for the Mandalorians to become one group of people one day. I am not here to overstep anyone's boundary, but might I suggest a Joint Council? I'd suggest eight seats on the Council, four from Mandalorian Empire and four another from Kalevala. This way, the Mandalorians will become one and fighting over the rights to the sovereign government won't be necessary because both governments would be recognized. As of the Bastion Accords, Mr. Bralor is right. While the Republic and the Remnant have had made peace, that doesn't mean the Imperials have made peace with the Mandalorians because while the Mandalorians are allied with the Republic, they are not part of the Republic like Senator de Crion had politely pointed out. The Mandalorians and the Remnant would have to make a separate peace treaty on their own. I'm sure the Republic would be glad to help with the process, but they must make their own decisions on whether to make peace with the Imperials or go to war with them. I've made it clear that I would like for the Mandalorians to resolve the issues between the two governments. I, along with other Senators hopefully, would be willing to help the Mandalorians through this but ultimately the decision is up to Mr. Bralor and the Duchess of Kalevala. I only wish well for both parties. Tremaine Fowlkes,
Senator of Mowgle
Tremaine Fowlkes
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Thursday, 18 Feb 2010, 3:05 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Wrong, wrong, wrong. Might does not make right, Senators—just because Mr. Bralor pretends to be in charge of the Mandalore Sector doesn't mean that he is, or that he has the right. He is not, as Senator Fowlkes has said, "the official sovereign government of the Mandalore Sector." As long as Kalevala remains independent (as it has been, Senator Fowlkes, for eight hundred years), then Mr. Bralor's regime cannot be said to govern the Sector; certainly not with the consent of the governed. I agree that a diplomatic solution is preferable, and this is what the Duchess Valeria is trying to accomplish. This is why it is the New Republic's business, Senator Crion, because the Duchess and Mr. Bralor have raised these issues in our Senate. Moreover, it is in the Republic's interest to defend the sovereignty of independent worlds, particularly those with whom we have commercial relations, such as Kalevala. As for peace between Mr. Bralor and the Imperial Remnant, I must point out that the Remnant does not consider itself at war with Mandalore. It is Mr. Bralor and Mr. Bralor alone who perpetuates a formal state of war with the Imperials. In my remarks on Kalevala, I suggested some possible reasons for this. Undoubtedly, it also has to do with Mandalore's slaves, which have been held for twenty years as "prisoners of war," and who presumably would need to be set free if Mr. Bralor allowed the state of war to end. For these reasons, while I am hopeful that the Old Mandalorians will agree to peace, I do not expect it. This is why, in my remarks, I suggested to Kalevala a number of ways that it can fight back, peacefully, if and when Mr. Bralor grows tired of negotiations and, instead, attempts to conquer the planet. Evidently, Mr. Bralor was offended by my words, but I am not responsible for who takes offense to what I say.
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| Mical_de_Crion | Date: Sunday, 21 Feb 2010, 9:00 AM | Message # 14 |
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| It is the Republic's interest to defend the sovereignty of independent worlds? This is news to me. Last I heard, we supported brutal regime changes on these worlds. Or left them to die should they not support us.
Mical Léo de Crion
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Sunday, 21 Feb 2010, 11:28 AM | Message # 15 |
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| I call for Senator Crion's immediate suspension for his utterly offensive and disparaging language. It is, frankly, shocking to hear such remarks from a New Republic Senator. I daresay not even the Senator of Ryloth or, no disrespect intended, the Governor of Eriadu would be this unpatriotic.
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