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The Ryloth Resolution
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Monday, 26 Apr 2010, 1:38 AM | Message # 1 |
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| Resolution Concerning the Seperatist Atrocities Committed on Ryloth
Written by Senator Cul'utaan'forte of Ryloth Begun and held within the Grand Convocation Center of the Galactic Senate, at the Galactic City on Coruscant, on Atunda, the fifth day of Telona, Sixteen Years After the Battle of Endor,
Resolution
To condemn the atrocities committed and conduct against the planet of Ryloth and the Twi'lek people during the Clone Wars by the Confederacy of Independent Systems, in the occupation of said planet and people, and attack against said planet and people.
Whereas, the Chief of State has authority under the Common Charter to take approporate diplomatic action: Now, therefore be it Resolved by the Galactic Senate in this Congress assembled; Section 1 - Short Title
This resolution may be cited as the "Ryloth Resolution". Section 2 - Condemnation
IN GENERAL- That the New Republic shall formally condemn the atrocities and conduct of the Confederation of Independent Systems during its occupation of the planet of Ryloth during the Clone Wars, which occured Eighteen Years Before the Battle of Endor, and later bombing of civilian centers, which occuried during the Outer Rim Sieges during the Clone Wars, Fifteen Years Before the Battle of Endor.
General Cul'utaan'forte
Forte's Legion
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Monday, 26 Apr 2010, 2:17 AM | Message # 2 |
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| I vote in favor. The Separatists were a lot of treasonous misanthropes, agitators, and greedy, petulant plutocrats. They were commanded by odious aliens with no respect for the law, who were responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Republic soldiers, officers, clones, and civilians—on Ryloth and elsewhere. Moreover, they were responsible for the Clone Wars and should be considered so by history and by this Senate. I request, thus, that my above words be included as an amendment to the resolution.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Monday, 26 Apr 2010, 3:18 AM | Message # 3 |
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| I vote in favor of ths resolution as well, for a number of reasons Senator Oswaldt has already stated.
Lomen Ryuun
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Monday, 26 Apr 2010, 2:24 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Senator Oswaldt, the Confederacy of Independent Systems indeed are responsible for the untold suffering and deaths of millions of people. However, we also must be reminded that the Clone Wars was engineered by then-Chancellor Palpatine aka Dark Lord of the Sith and his then-apprentice Count Dooku. I'm not saying that the Clone Wars shouldn't be remembered or forgetten. I'm saying that the Clone Wars was merely a diversion so that the Sith could rule the galaxy. I hate to say this, but the Old Republic bears as much responsibility as the Confederacy of Independent Systems for that war. Anyway, I'm getting off point here. We are not here to debate the motives of Clone Wars. I vote in favor. Tremaine Fowlkes,
Senator of Mowgle
Tremaine Fowlkes
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Monday, 26 Apr 2010, 4:10 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I demand that the Senator from Mowgle apologize for the ridiculous Jedi propaganda that he just uttered in this chamber. There's no proof that Palpatine had anything to do with the Separatists. This is a despicable attempt by the Senator and the Jedi to re-write history and "spread the blame" for the Clone Wars, when in fact it's the Jedi and the Separatists who bear full responsibility for that war. Let's look at the facts, Senators. Fact: the Separatists were commanded by a "former" Jedi. Fact: the Old Republic's forces were also commanded by the Jedi until Chancellor Palpatine, wisely, put an end to this abuse of power. Fact: the Jedi attempted a secret coup against the elected Chancellor and the Senate just as the war was nearing its end. And we're supposed to believe that Palpatine was responsible for all this? Palpatine was responsible for many bad things, Senators, but the Clone Wars is not one of those things. Anyone who says otherwise is spouting theories, rumors, and propaganda, and should apologize for distorting history and slandering the fine officers and soldiers of the Old Republic by suggesting that they "bear as much responsibility as the Confederacy of Independent Systems for that war." This is nonsense. Worse, it's dangerous, revisionist nonsense. And gentlemen, I prefer Governor Oswaldt.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Ponc_Gavrisom | Date: Thursday, 29 Apr 2010, 8:53 AM | Message # 6 |
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| By and large I agree with this. And I call for a specific condemnation of the Seperatist General Staff, Admiralty and Senior Civilians who had the capacity to prevent the massive bloodbaths, such as those on Ryloth.
Ponc Gavrisom
Chief of State
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| Mical_de_Crion | Date: Thursday, 29 Apr 2010, 12:41 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Alot of the politics of the time, and who was who, what was what, etc. during the Clone Wars to this day is still up for debate and interpretation. The atrocities on Ryloth are one of the things that are not open to interpretation and sit as fact. I vote In Favor of this resolution.
Mical Léo de Crion
Director, All Stars Burn As One Foundation
Chairman, Urban Youth College Fund
Owner, Château Hiver Rivière
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Saturday, 01 May 2010, 7:35 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I thank you all for the support on this measure. Unfortunately, Senator Oswaldt, I can not accept such an encompassing amendment. I do however agree with the Chief of State's amendment. Deception was the way of the CIS high command, a deception that left myself and my men during that time in the dark as to what was happening. At the time, we couldn't possibly believe news of such acts as anything but Republic propaganda. The day we finally found out the truth, was the day my men and myself left the Seperatist cause. I could not agree more with your amendment Chief Gavrisom.
General Cul'utaan'forte
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Saturday, 01 May 2010, 8:20 PM | Message # 9 |
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| That's Governor Oswaldt to you, Separatist. If I can't have you shot for treason I can at least have you cited for unparliamentary language. But it won't make up for the dark age of the galaxy that you and your kind are responsible for. You know, a time that you were "in the dark as to what was happening." But answer me this, Senator—if you really "found out the truth" and "left the Separatist cause," why are you still defending it? I challenge you to accept my amendment, Senator, to prove once and for all where your loyalty really is. If the amendment is not included, I will change my vote against the resolution. I will not vote to condemn certain, horrible acts without also condemning the reasons why the Separatists committed those horrible acts. Without my amendment, Senators, this resolution is a defense of the Confederacy, not a condemnation of it. I will not vote to defend the Confederacy. I killed a lot of Seps in the war, and I'm damn proud of that.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Saturday, 01 May 2010, 8:47 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Senator Oswaldt, you are a part of the Galactic Senate, therefore a Galactic Senator, thus the title of Senator is appropriate, and I shall continue to use it as such until you are no longer a member of this body. You, sir, are also not one to talk about a dark age... shall I begin to cite the Empire's track record? Yes, I left the Separatist cause...but I do still believe that what I did personally myself, was right, as well as countles others that fought against the tyrannical body the Old Republic was becoming. Our cause was just, but our leadership, and those that committed atrocities such as that that was committed against my people, were not. They had lost the meaning of the cause, what we dreamed of. They had forgetten what we were fighting against, and in doing so, became the exact thing we were fighting. My loyalty is to the New Republic, it has been so since I joined the Rebellion over twenty years ago, and it has remained as such in my nine years of service as a Galactic Senator. No, I will not accept your amendment, and I will not be intimidated into it. Vote against it if you will, Senator, but the galaxy shall judge you for it. Just as it judges you for the atrocities the Empire committed against countless innocent civilians and sentient species, in the persuit of a "Human High Culture". Just as it judges you for the devestation and destruction of countless worlds , such as Alderaan, Caamas, Ralltiir, and Falleen to name only a few, or even the continuation of the devestation of Honoghr; the victims of which we will always remember, and the survivors of which shall never forget. Yes, the galaxy shall always judge for our actions, and inaction, and you are no exception. Oh, going back to your comment on the Clone Wars being a dark age, if that is so, then now must be an apocalypse for you, Senator.
General Cul'utaan'forte
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Sunday, 02 May 2010, 0:05 AM | Message # 11 |
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| Senator Forte, I am a Senator/Sovereign, meaning I am both the Senator and Governor of Eriadu. It is customary, I'm told, for the Senator/Sovereign to enter into the parliamentary record his preference of title. My preference of title is Governor. I move that the Sergeant-at-Arms arrest Senator Forte for willingly violating parliamentary procedure. And probably conspiring to secede from the Republic for all we know. Before Ryloth, you recently represented New Plympto in the Senate, didn't you? New Plympto seceded, didn't it? Probably because of the same sort of propaganda you're trying to push through the Senate right now. Your cause was not just, Senator, and the Old Republic was not tyrannical. The Old Republic was weak, the opposite of tyrannical, and you and the petulant plutocrats who paid you took advantage of that weakness for profit. Yes, for profit. That's what you fought for, Senator. That's what your friends died for. You just didn't know it. The only good thing that came of your war, Senator, is that the Republic finally became stronger. It became the Empire. So if you want to know who is responsible for the alleged "devastation and destruction" of Alderaan, Caamas and the others, you have yourself to thank. The Old Republic was weak, and the Empire was strong. The New Republic is not as strong as I would like, and that's why I'm here in this Senate—to make it stronger. You, meanwhile, are apparently in this Senate to promote your Separatist propaganda. Again, I call for Senator Forte's arrest.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Sunday, 02 May 2010, 7:05 PM | Message # 12 |
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| I have done nothing to be arrested for, Senator; and no, I am not conspiring to seceed. I was Senator of New Plympto for only part of a year, I helped them come into the fold of the New Republic, as that was my residency at the time. Later, I changed residency, and became the Representative for the Twi'lek people and eventually Senator of Ryloth once my homeworld joined. Your theory has no merit, and until this day, I never spoke of the Separatist beliefs... and I must say, countless former Separatists sit in this very hall right now, and have long represented their systems. Ignoring the rest of your rhetoric, I want to focus on something far more alarming. Are you saying that the Empire was a right and just body that was good for the galaxy and its inhabitants, Senator?
General Cul'utaan'forte
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Sunday, 02 May 2010, 9:45 PM | Message # 13 |
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| The Empire was necessary, Senator, because Separatists like you were slaughtering the good, law-abiding people of the galaxy and the Republic was powerless to stop it. The Confederacy challenged its authority, and the concept of a "galactic government" is an empty one if its authority is not respected. Extraordinary measures were necessary to keep the people safe and to fight the Separatists and, later, the Rebel Alliance—not to mention the Jedi, who attempted a bloody coup against the elected Chancellor of the Republic. I believe the power of government must be respected, Senator, and a "galactic government" must, indeed, have a great deal of power. This is the single greatest weakness of the Republic, Old and New. You exploited that weakness in the Clone Wars and now you're trying to exploit it again. You still haven't proved to this Senate that you're not conspiring to secede. Ignore the truth if you will, Senator Forte. You ignored it during the Clone Wars too (when you were "in the dark"), and today you're apologizing for it. Maybe tomorrow you'll see the light and apologize too. Speaking of apologies, I still demand one from Senator Fowlkes because no, Senator Crion, the facts are not up for "debate and interpretation."
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Wednesday, 05 May 2010, 4:25 PM | Message # 14 |
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| Senator Forte and Senator Crion are right. Governor Oswaldt, the Clone Wars were a more nuanced event than you are apparently willing or able to understand. I do not "defend the Confederacy," and I don't believe that Senator Forte defends its atrocities, either. However, I am willing to understand that there were individuals in the Confederacy who, however misguided, believed they were fighting for a just cause. Indeed, for liberty. Their principles were not unlike those of the Rebel Alliance, as you noted derisively and as I note proudly. It is certainly true that there were many unsavory and, frankly, evil characters in the Confederacy who did fight only for profit. But this is not the entire explanation; it does not explain how hundreds of thousands of good beings, such as Senator Forte and Senator Kruus, would rally to the Separatist cause. If you sincerely want to prevent a tragedy such as the Clone Wars from happening again, Governor, as I do and, indeed, as do all of us, then you really must understand it better. "More power," "more government," and "more control" are not the lessons of the Clone Wars, Governor. This is why the Empire was defeated. But it is true that the New Republic cannot be weak, either, as was the Old. I believe it is the task of this Senate to strike a balance between these extremes for, indeed, history has shown us that neither of these extremes will work. In the meantime, however, I'd like to remind the Governor and also Senator Forte that the subject of this resolution is the Separatist atrocities on Ryloth during the Clone Wars. I think we can all agree that these were despicable, and should be condemned. I vote in favor of the Senator from Ryloth's resolution.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Mical_de_Crion | Date: Monday, 10 May 2010, 5:36 PM | Message # 15 |
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| As this debate has stalled, and clearly will be passed, I call for a closure of the vote.
Mical Léo de Crion
Director, All Stars Burn As One Foundation
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Owner, Château Hiver Rivière
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