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Pandra Nintra, and the Nintra name.
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| PandraNintra | Date: Saturday, 14 Apr 2012, 10:03 AM | Message # 1 |
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| I recently got a msg from a friend concerning a thread here regarding the Nintra lineage, and name. Allow me first to say that my name is Chad Morrison, and I am the creator of the Nintra name, and history. I created Pandra Nintra in 2000, and began RPing at the Holocron. I was trained formally by 'Lucifer Craven'. Later I migrated to MSN chat, and met 'Sytess' Shaun, who is even today, a close personal friend. Also I met Carl, whom I gave permission to create a Nintra. This character was Pandra's son, and his name was 'Tesdra'. Carl migrated to the Naboo RP on MSN, and finally OA. I myself migrated to OA. The only other Nintra's that were created were approved directly by me, that being Mekela Nintra, Pandra's sister, and Zera Nintra, Pandra's youngest son. That is the approved line of Nintra's.
Imagine my surprise when I get a msg from my friend Matt 'Io', showing me a link that directed here, where someone has stolen from our collective RP, and my intellectual property. Further, being an author, 'Chad Morrison Franki', of a recently upcoming book, (where the character Pandra Nintra is mentioned), the name itself is protected by copyright, so quite literally, it belongs to me, and as well to (Medallion publishing).
I aim discredit to the originator of the thread, and oppose it vehemently. What has been done is nothing short of plagiarism. I am not in any way threatening legal action, or anything of the like. All I am saying is the name is mine, and I did not give approval, and I find it very insulting, not flattering that I was so completely ripped off. Further the Nintra's originate from a created planet, which I shall not delve into the details of, for the obvious reasons of having already had my intellectual property already violated.
We all seek to be as original as we can, and the Nintra name, was my nod. And I shant have it leased unwillingly.
I have since returned to SW RP AS Pandra Nintra, and am joined by Io, and Sytess. The true 'Tesdra' as far as I know, is still in Afghanistan, and is a Navy Corpsman, and I doubt Carl would appreciate any of what has been done here.
I can be reached at zombiehunter96@live.com for MSN Msgr, and teamaspen@hotmail.com for e-mail.
Thank you.
The One and Only.
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| Management | Date: Saturday, 14 Apr 2012, 10:33 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Moved to the appropriate forum.
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| Management | Date: Saturday, 14 Apr 2012, 10:50 AM | Message # 3 |
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| "Karl," as he self-identifies, is in fact the one you speak of. He's returned from Afghanistan and I've had lengthy conversations with him about his time at Star Wars RP: Planet Naboo and enough other reminiscences to be convinced it's him. Management isn't responsible for the content of the RP here—this dispute, if a dispute it is, is between Karl and yourself and we recommend you discuss it with him. We can help to facilitate this for you, but management removes no posts from the site unless as a result of a violation of the site's rules, potential legal infractions notwithstanding.
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| PandraNintra | Date: Saturday, 14 Apr 2012, 11:10 AM | Message # 4 |
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| Thank you for the timely response. Karl does have my permission to use the name, as was given him long ago. I had been under the impression that someone else was using it.
However, for the record, concerning it (the name), he has taken some artistic license that I do not approve of, and which I will, discuss with him, I hope.
Glad to know he is back from deployment, and well.
As for legal infractions, none have been made. SW is property of George Lucas, and 'Pandra Nintra, and the Nintra' name is property of myself and my publisher, (having removed all ties to SW with the Pandra character). I still use him to RP SW though, obviously. Even still, no infringement has been made as the names have not been used in a commercial way, so there's really nothing I can 'truly' say, unless Karl was making Nintra books, and t-shirts, etc, or using the name in a gainful and commercial way.
Again, thank you for your prompt reply, I see no problems here, and I shall attempt to contact Karl, or if you could, drop him my add for MSN msngr. (zombiehunter96@live.com)
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| Jaron | Date: Saturday, 14 Apr 2012, 11:34 AM | Message # 5 |
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| Just a personal note on this, all I see from Tes'dra's RP, is the attempt to create an original story line and plot; based upon the Chiss and Unknown Regions, as can be clearly seen in his profile. Other than using a character, that is of his own making, and thus, in fact, of his own ownership, I see no resemblance at all to the Nintra RP family that I remember from the old days; granted, I was not directly involved so perhaps my recollection is a bit hazy. It seems though, judging from your posts, it is in fact very different from the Nintra plot and storyline, thus in fact, validating Tes'dra's RP here more so.
I understand being uneasy here, and were the rest of the Nintra storyline or plot involved within Tes'dra's RP on the site, I would be more open to this contest. However, the fact remains, Pandra Nintra has not been mentioned, at all, in any post... ever, on AGW until today, and only by yourself. If you were talking about Tesdra Nintra and the rest of the group, and Karl ended up using everyone as NPCs and it being radically different, then I would certainly say "Karl has some explaining to do". However, he has gone to far lengths to make this a separate and independent character and storyline, thus the only matter of dispute you really have here is on the matter of a last name, the only thing I can see as being similar to the original, which is shaky ground to be standing on.
I do hope that you can settle whatever dispute you have with Karl on the matter, regardless of my opinion of it; and that you two may regain your line of communication which has been clearly lost. It's all too easy to find yourself one friend less in our world, so I wish you two luck on that. I also wish you luck in being published... although your publisher does not seem too keen on advertising an upcoming, new author. The site has nothing about you or your novel yet, and a Google search for your name only yielded a novel named "Franki" by a guy named Chad Morrison, but that's an independent horror novel.
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| Jaron | Date: Saturday, 14 Apr 2012, 11:50 AM | Message # 6 |
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| I stand slightly corrected on the references to the Nintra storyline... that was, however, in our former timeline, and I'm not exactly sure what relevance it has to the current timeline; The Tes'dra of each timeline is in fact different. In the former timeline, he seemed to be more following the old Nintra storyline, in basis for the character. Now, he has, however, clearly turned it into something more original. I am of course, making my own observation, and not speaking for Karl in any regard.
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Saturday, 14 Apr 2012, 1:45 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Lol. Added (14 Apr 2012, 1:45 PM)
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Honestly I don't see some unpublished (based on the fact it appears to be a vanity publication of limited circulation) "author" successfully bringing a suit against a Russian hosted roleplaying site for use of a character name. Especially since googling "Nintra" leads to three pages (haven't looked any further) of completely unrelated content to your character. It's a definition on Urban Dictionary. It is part of the title of a song in an album by Bombay Jayashree. The term also appears to be used in oncology. In short, pretty sure they didn't steal it from you.
Best of luck trying to assert that word being your intellectual property, trademark or copyright. You'd be laughed out of the court. I also frankly do not appreciate the truculence of the post, manners cost nothing.
Moff of the Tammuz Sector
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| PandraNintra | Date: Saturday, 14 Apr 2012, 4:01 PM | Message # 8 |
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| We will deal with this first. Since you see fit to attempt to 'slight' me with your words by bringing up random trash talk to somehow discredit me. Thanks btw. But regardless, as for the novels, I 'self published' to try them out while they were pitched to several publishers. And I did get several rejections. It happens. And then.... I got accepted. And now, the books are no longer available for purchase as e-books. That's why if you go to Amazon, you can't actually 'buy' them. I don't even think you can preview them now. That was taken off too. And they were listed less than a month before they were picked up. Don't tell me my business.
Christ. Pathetic, pathetic more so that you would attack me, for being upset, that someone took 'intellectual property' and ran with it. Your feelings are a result of 'just' inferiority, else-wise you would not have those quips. And you can get pissed, and cast stones, and throw darts, but you initiated this with your own lack of self control and jealousy. -Basic- Psychology.
You are not validated on anything you have stated. As for Karl, I gave Karl the character.
I NAMED Tesdra Nintra, and passed him to Karl. The character was MY creation, to be used as I explained. Karl obviously decided to go to his own thing and take liberties, not given him.
Nintra, as it applies to 'a character and a character''s lineage', is... again, -Mine-.
And as I said in another post, I am making no legal accusations, I -said- that anyone could RP as whatever, and as long as it isn't being used to make revenue, or 'commercial gain', then it doesn't matter, so I am full well aware of the law. You need to read what I stated on other threads, or in their entirity before you get a case of word vomit.
Pathetic. Simply... Pathetic.
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Jaron...
The Tesdra character was my creation. I named the character, crafted the back story, and let Karl take the character. Apparently he took it and ran with it.
He should have made himself a -new- character of his own design honestly without drawing on the world, and lineage I created. Which I don't mind him RPing Tesdra, (The character I made), just so long as he sticks to the back story conditional to him having originally taken the character, which he absolutely did not.
Thus is the point.
In short if he wanted to make something original, he could make a new character, with a new back story.
Pandra exists outside of just SW at this point, but I apply the character to SW RP because it works and I enjoy it.
As for 'Franki', see above post. I self published, on Amazon. I ended up getting rejected by... several SEVERAL publishers, and finally got accepted. While the manuscript was being reviewed, it was available as an e-book on Amazon. Which it no longer is. Also it has been reviewed by Dreadcentral.com and received a positive review. I am actually (being a big horror fan) quite proud of that. Franki -WILL- be out quite soon, though it will have limited publication and distribution, it will be featured in Rue Morgue, on DreadCentral, and Fangoria, it is picked up, and again, I am proud of that. It's a start. All the RP finally 'paid off' as it were. It will be out, it's out of many hands. What they do as regarding promotion is out of my hands, but I know both Franki, and Castle of Dracul are undergoing several more reviews right now, thus the lack of promotion. I cannot help that. I wish obviously, that things would move swifter so that I do not look like an ass, but it's not the first time so... I'll just deal with it.
My problem is that Karl took liberties with a history that was not 'his', and he passed it off as 'his. I'm not into that. I worked long and hard to build Pandra and his back story, and separate it in a way from SW.
Also, I TRAINED Karl, and as I said, I view it as a slight. Not a compliment. Honestly I've come to get more and more upset about it.
The One and Only.
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Saturday, 14 Apr 2012, 9:51 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Apologies, I must say I am profoundly jealous of your self published Novel.
Quote (PandraNintra) Nintra, as it applies to 'a character and a character''s lineage', is... again, -Mine-.
I would suggest educating yourself on the diverse jurisdictional requirements to assert "ownership" of names of characters. It's not as simple as declaring by fiat you own it. Your use of "your" online character name (which doesn't come up on the first several pages of google hits) does not create in any rights to the word Nintra in any context. The idea is risible.
Almost tempts me to buy www.Nintrathename.org and put advertising links on it to demonstrate the fact!
And, young man! I can assure you the fact your "novel" was reviewed by some obscure websites bears little weight, is simply irrelevant.
Now, if you wish to Roleplay here, then I suggest you attend to it.
If you wish to impertinently continue your risible self aggrandizing assertion of ownership over words then may I direct you to the door. No one cares what you've done before or will be impressed by it. It reminds me of the people who roleplay and create these characters that have the most amazing background, every military medal and are an nth level Jedi Lord, and then fall at the first fence.
So instead of talking about your amazing background and writing skills, let's get them involved in the game, instead of in frankly rather embarrassing OOC forays, as a "serious author" I imagine you'd have rather more sense of your own dignity?
Moff of the Tammuz Sector
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| greenblade | Date: Sunday, 29 Apr 2012, 4:00 AM | Message # 10 |
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| I'll send you a longer email Chad, because it sounds like we probably need to have a lengthy talk.
I haven't done anything illegal with the name, to be honest I've merely skimmed over this - but I saw that pop up, and that simply hasn't been the case.
I have taken liberties with the history of the character, and the Nintra name in general. To that end, the liberties were mostly taken to adapt the history as you had given it to me to the more canon setting used here at AGAW. I replaced Mai with Yashuvhu, Tes'dra's unknown mother with a minor canon character and replaced the lineage of being immensely powerful with being gifted, and destined to fight against a great evil.
As the years have gone by, I've reinvented Tes'dra several times, to adapt the the rp, to adapt to my style at the time, or what I was in the mood to write.
I say this sincerely Chad, I appreciate you rushing into AGAW to defend the Nintra name and my own piece of it, Tes'dra, when you thought that it had been wrongfully appropriated. I know we haven't been in touch much, but as anyone on this site can attest to - Since I've been back I've had problems adjusting, 9 months spent seeing the worst parts of combat (the aftermath) and then coming home to a family that has changed in my absence, I haven't been online much. I apologize for that, I value your friendship, respect, and the game you taught me to play.
I apologize if you feel I've slighted you, or the name you created, you have to believe it hasn't been intentional.
And Jace and Jamie thank you for vouching for me as well. I should make an effort to be around more often.
Tes'dra Nintra
"A coward dies a thousand deaths, a hero dies but once."
"Courage is the mastery of fear."
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| PandraNintra | Date: Sunday, 29 Apr 2012, 8:43 AM | Message # 11 |
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| All is well Karl. We'll chat more at length later.
Simon - Get bent man. There is nothing nice for me to say to you at this point, I have tried to be nice, but you continue to slight me. I have already stated that there was no legal grounds that could be taken as the complete name was not being used in a commercial or gainful way.
My reason for being here was simply to clarify a matter of 'Who created what'... if anyone, RP or Commercial, takes credit, or license with something I took the time to make, or I feel they have, I address it. It's as simple as that.
Your inferiority complex is evident. You are so consumed with your jealousy that you viciously attack, and point, and try to find any way possible to discredit me. This is a regrettable character flaw, yours of course, not mine.
The novel/s/, I have also explained. I am not hiding the fact, you pompous ass, that I self published. I stated that. Also the novel/s/, were removed from the market when they were finally accepted. This was in late Feb/March, and it takes a little time to get things rolling. That is out of my hands. And I will not bother to continue on explaining it to an inferior and crippled intellect.
And no I do not intend to 'RP' here. I came only to clarify this matter.
The One and Only.
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| Havoc | Date: Sunday, 29 Apr 2012, 8:48 AM | Message # 12 |
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| Any tips for those (me) attempting to publish a book that has been kicked back by a few major publishing companies?
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| PandraNintra | Date: Sunday, 29 Apr 2012, 8:57 AM | Message # 13 |
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| Havoc - I know you mean that in a spiteful way... but I will say anyway,
Try and try again. The works of some of the greatest authors in the history of literature were rejected time and again. Get your work Copyrighted, and Self Publish, seek reviews, and send to every publisher you possibly can, and prepare for every rejection imaginable. Do everything you can to promote and sell your work. Shameless endorse yourself. Don't be ashamed of what you have created.
Eventually, if your work is good... it will get picked up.
It is easy to point a finger and call someone a failure, or point at what they have created, and say also, it is a failure... but look at the one slighting you, what have they made? It doesn't take much of a man to discredit someone for their efforts when they themselves have done nothing.
The One and Only.
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| Havoc | Date: Sunday, 29 Apr 2012, 8:59 AM | Message # 14 |
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| Well, reason I ask is because I wrote a book about my duties in Afghanistan... what I witnessed, what I did, and hell... what it felt like to be there. Book companies pretty much told me that it wasn't worth picking up because many other returning veterans are attempting to tell a story... "that is already covered by public media." (that's what the e-mails and letters said.)
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| PandraNintra | Date: Sunday, 29 Apr 2012, 9:08 AM | Message # 15 |
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| Havoc - That's common. They will all say as much. It's hard also not to take a lot of it personally. You need to isolate on certain publishers, that carry that sort of 'story', and pitch to them. Also you need to edit edit edit, until your story is seamless. It needs to flow. The first chapter, or prologue, needs to set in the hook. If you cannot get a hook in at the very beginning, then most people with their short attention spans, will just close the book, or -x- the window, and move on. A potentially good idea is to take something from the book itself, a high point, and insert it as the prologue, or do a 'reflective' prologue with something that reflects the journey about to be taken. Your 'final thoughts' and new self awareness, should be in the epilogue.
And it's a soldiers story... there are many. Sure. As long as there is War there will be. There is also more Vampire and Zombie stories than I can possibly count. Doesn't stop a new one from appearing every week though does it?
You didn't give up while you were deployed, why start now? Failure is subjective, it is only failure, when you accept it.
The One and Only.
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