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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Tuesday, 30 Oct 2012, 10:28 PM | Message # 16 |
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| We are so fucked.
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Tuesday, 30 Oct 2012, 10:54 PM | Message # 17 |
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| Kudos for having stark have a shave, buy a suit and go outside - he'll not regret Vitamin D in his life.
I honestly feel better predisposed toward him almost immediately because he looks less complete creep now.
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| Devenne_Ozera | Date: Wednesday, 31 Oct 2012, 0:20 AM | Message # 18 |
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| The Avengers was disney. And it did not suck. Just sayin'
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Wednesday, 31 Oct 2012, 0:33 AM | Message # 19 |
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| The Avengers was Joss Whedon.
Disney just had their name attached. 
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| Devenne_Ozera | Date: Wednesday, 31 Oct 2012, 9:23 AM | Message # 20 |
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| DANG...ok Pirates? At least the 1st one was good.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Thursday, 01 Nov 2012, 11:05 AM | Message # 21 |
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| Okay, now that I've swallowed all my tears and had a good think, I have my predictions of what this means for Star Wars. And I hope I can look back on this post in a couple years and be wrong, but we'll see.
1. The much-loathed prequels will be ignored. Remember the Episode I 3D re-release event in January, 2012? It was meant to attract a new generation of toy-playing age to Star Wars, and it failed miserably. The film itself was a flop, and merchandise sales were so dismal, Hasbro posted a loss and had to cancel long-running Star Wars toy lines. LucasFilm announced it would reconsider whether or not it would release Episode II 3D as planned. Then there's the soon-to-be-canceled Clone Wars TV show, which is in a ratings nosedive. The market simply isn't there anymore for the prequels.
2. The Star Wars live-action TV series, Star Wars: Underworld, is doomed. From a merchandising standpoint, you don't want to dilute your franchise with a film and an unrelated television show at the same time. Promotional monies won't go into two multimedia events at once.
3. Episode VII will be a quality film and a crowd-pleaser. Disney is less interested in George Lucas's supposed "vision" of Star Wars and, presumably, more interested in pleasing audiences. While, yes, this surely includes appealing to children of toy-playing age, it also means not alienating a large, existing fan base. Disney can't possibly be deaf to the hatred of Lucas and his prequels, so I expect it will respect the original trilogy and borrow heavily from the look and feel of Episodes IV, V, and VI, even if Episode VII is, like John Carter, geared to a younger audience. But it encourages me that the man at Disney responsible for John Carter has been fired, and presumably lessons have been learned.
4. Nonetheless, Episode VII will take a wrecking ball to the post-Trilogy expanded universe. Heir to the Empire was published in 1991—now, with over 20 years of books, comics, and video games, the post-Trilogy era is booked solid with major storylines and events, tens of thousands of pages worth on Wookieepedia. I doubt Disney will make the effort to navigate two decades of expanded universe content (furthermore, we know that LucasFilm doesn't "consider that Star Wars"). More likely, Disney will disregard the post-Trilogy content and "reboot" Star Wars with its own, original storyline. This will most likely mean the end of the New Republic, Imperial Remnant, and New Jedi Order as know them. What's more, Han and Leia may not be married, Boba Fett may not be alive, and the Yuuzhan Vong may not invade the galaxy.
5. There will be new levels of Star Wars canon. There are rules of thumb in place already to decide which source is more canonical than another source—that is, if two sources contradict each other, which one is the correct one; first the films, then the books, then comics, video games, and so on. The post-Trilogy expanded universe in its current form may be done for, but it won't be dead. More likely, the films—including the new film—will continue to be held as the "highest," or most authoritative version of Star Wars events, but the expanded universe as we know it will be re-classified as a sort of "primary alternate universe." It won't disappear from Wookieepedia, and being 20 years old it will have its supporters, but the new films will eventually surpass the 1990's-2000's content in popularity.
6. The video game Star Wars: 1313 will be fine. It's set in the pre-Trilogy era, and since Episode VII is billed as a sequel, the events in the film should follow from the Trilogy, not pre-date it. I expect all expanded universe content from the Imperial and Prequel eras to be untouched.
7. The principal characters of the original trilogy won't be seen in Episode VII. The actors are over 30 years older now, and I doubt Episode VII will take place 30 years after Episode VI. Disney is going to do what it tried and failed to do with John Carter—create a mass market science fiction film franchise that will span at least 3 movies. Most likely, the characters will be all new—like the prequel characters—and Disney will come up with original adventures for them, only loosely connected to the trilogy, that the writers can exercise full creative control over.
8. There won't be another Jar Jar, at least not in Episode VII. Yes, it's Disney, but Disney has made a lot of films with mass market appeal, including Marvel's The Avengers and its associated films, the Pirates of the Caribbean series, and Tron: Legacy to name only recent films. Even John Carter, though it was awful, was not childish. And let's not forget also that the bar isn't set particularly high—I have one word for you: Ewoks.
9. I could be wrong if A.) George Lucas, as "creative consultant" to the new films, continues to exercise editorial control over them. It's an unfortunate fact, but a fact nonetheless, that the quality of George Lucas's work has deteriorated seemingly year-to-year. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, for which both Steven Spielberg and Shia LeBouf apologized, is the most obvious example. But it's also been apparent in the prequels, over which Lucas exercised complete control (unlike the original trilogy). If he, or his confidant and new CEO of LucasFilm, Kathleen Kennedy, exercise similar control over Episode VII, it will be a disaster. However, it's encouraging that Kennedy has been named "brand manager," rather than appearing to have any involvement in the writing or production itself. I could also be wrong if B.) Disney respects not only the original trilogy but the 20 years of post-Trilogy expanded universe. There is a promising sign here, actually; Disney was quoted as saying that Star Wars "offers a virtually limitless universe of characters and stories to drive continued feature film releases" and refers to "[i]ts universe of more than 17,000 characters inhabiting several thousand planets spanning 20,000 years offer[ing] infinite inspiration and opportunities." At the very least, this suggests a mindfulness of the expanded universe that, hopefully, is reflected in Episode VII. I remain skeptical, however.
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| Ana_Stark | Date: Thursday, 01 Nov 2012, 3:19 PM | Message # 22 |
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| Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Kudos for having stark have a shave, buy a suit and go outside - he'll not regret Vitamin D in his life.
I did good, right? See? 
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Thursday, 01 Nov 2012, 6:27 PM | Message # 23 |
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| Quote (Ana_Stark) I did good, right? See?
Yes, except now we can't make anymore Stark is a zombie/alien/serial killer jokes.
This has ruined my life.
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Thursday, 01 Nov 2012, 6:28 PM | Message # 24 |
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| I will also concede, Fajra, that the first Pirates was good. But I still loathe most things Disney these days, so I could just be a Negative Nellie.
Actually, no, I'm most definitely a Negative Nellie, but hell, I'm also right a lot of the time. This is gonna suck.
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| Ana_Stark | Date: Thursday, 01 Nov 2012, 6:46 PM | Message # 25 |
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Yes, except now we can't make anymore Stark is a zombie/alien/serial killer jokes.
This has ruined my life.
You'll get over it.
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| Kyrum | Date: Thursday, 01 Nov 2012, 10:24 PM | Message # 26 |
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| I will have to agree with Jace on this one here. maybe we are wrong in the assumption that it would be a disaster but Star Wars IS lucas film not Disney the one thing that I wonder about is how does that affect Lucas arts or did he sell that one out too.
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| Karth_DeQora | Date: Friday, 02 Nov 2012, 6:49 AM | Message # 27 |
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| He sold Lucasfilm to Disney.
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| Kyrum | Date: Saturday, 03 Nov 2012, 12:20 PM | Message # 28 |
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| lol Jace!! everyone has made a good point in alot of ways. but one thing that I will never understand is why do they have to make a new Star Wars or re image it. what was done originaly is fine. and no, I don;t see Han Solo or Mark Hamil fighting either but hey, there have been worse consequences. by selling LucasFilm to Disney though, Lucas Sold the FANS that made the movie a success to begin with. it is because of the fans that it is what it is. any company can make a movie but if peoiple don't watch it and don;t take to it it won;t go anywhere other than being on the screen. Star Wars has gone far above just being a movie.
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