| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 08 Dec 2009, 1:55 AM | Message # 1 |
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| I want to have a debate about whether the Jedi Order of the prequels is more antagonistic or protagonistic. I think it would be fun (in my weird, nerdy way). I call dibs on arguing that the Jedi are "more sinister than they are good." Who wants to take up the other side? Anyone can feel free to vote, although I assume most people will see them as the good guys. So what say you? Who will defend them? Jace Varitek
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Tuesday, 08 Dec 2009, 5:07 PM | Message # 2 |
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| No one, really? Jace Varitek
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| EchuuShinzon | Date: Wednesday, 09 Dec 2009, 1:43 PM | Message # 3 |
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| I honestly can't say that I agree that the Jedi aren't tyrants. I see them more in an oversight/overlord capacity, being an elite power that is outside the law and in actuality acts more like a Illuminati organization. That they constantly maneuver and organize galactic societies, but are by far more obvious than the aforementioned group.
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| Jace_Varitek | Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 2009, 2:28 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Well, you made one of the points that I was going to make except that I meant it in a bad way. I suppose, since no one is yet willing to defend the prequel Jedi, I'll go ahead and make my case against them and see if anyone disagrees (because I feel like doing something scholarly this afternoon before I get back to posting). Here's my take, and bear in mind whenever I mention "the Jedi" or "the Jedi Order," it's referring to the prequel era: 1. The Jedi Steal Children and Ruin Families
I've been surprised to see that this is a theme that's actually occurred in the canon ephemera a few times. Let's start with a character from one of my favorite Star Wars novels (Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter) named Lorn Pavan, as some of you might know. He was a clerk at the Jedi Temple who agreed to have his Force sensitive infant son trained by them; thereafter, he was fired because his son, now a Jedi, was not allowed to have attachments to his family. Pavan's wife then left him, and he became a criminal. Then there's the "Baby Ludi" case, which was depicted on the Holonet News website which preceded Episode II. I won't go into all the details, because they're all there on Wookieepedia; suffice to say, as I think everyone will agree, not returning a baby to its mother because of arcane Jedi doctrines is a dick move. We understand why it was done ("We have opened the child's mind to the larger world of the Force," one Jedi Master explained, "to return it to the birth parents at this stage would be far too dangerous"); in both of these cases, the Jedi are arrogantly blinded by their own doctrines, which take precedent over compassion and ethical reasoning. In both cases, an arrangement could have been reached with the parents. Another example of this arrogance occurs in the Clone Wars television show (Season 2, Episode 1: "Holocron Heist") in which a holocron containing the names and whereabouts of "all Force sensitive children in the galaxy" becomes an important plot device. Obi-Wan casually refers to those names as "the future of the Jedi Order," which suggests Obi-Wan is making an presumptuous that they are, essentially, the Order's children for the taking whenever they please (none of the other Jedi present in that scene—if I recall, Yoda, Mace Windu and Anakin—disagree with his statement). As if it isn't presumptuous enough and, indeed, a gross invasion of privacy to keep records on potentially millions of innocent children without (seemingly) the knowledge of their parents. I have a lot more to go, but I'm suddenly realizing now how long this is taking me, and how hungry I am. But I shall revisit this thread throughout the week. Now, must eat! Jace Varitek
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"When my information changes, I change my opinion. What do you do, sir?"
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Furthermore, a dancing Wookiee:
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