Ban on Interspecies Fornication
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Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Wednesday, 13 Oct 2010, 2:00 PM | Message # 1 |
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| I propose that sexual intercourse among different species be banned, just as bestiality is banned. This is a disgusting practice and, moreover, it is demonstrated to spread infectious diseases (among these, brucellosis and leptospirosis). Also, the breeding of human and "near human" species is known, in most cases, to cause birth defects. This is true for other genetically similar species as well, such as Neimoidians and Duros. There is, thus, both a moral and a public health dimension to this measure. The punishment for this crime shall be imprisonment for no more than six months and, for repeat offenders, sterilization. I vote in favor.
Johannes Oswaldt Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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Janar_Cerra | Date: Wednesday, 13 Oct 2010, 2:47 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Shall we be stripped of all our freedoms? Even the freedom to fornicate with who we wish in the privacy of our own dwellings? Does this government have nothing better to do than to invade the privacy, freedoms, and rights of those it rules over? We no longer have freedom of religion that has been stripped away with the Jedi cleansing that has been taking place, now we cannot fornicate with beings who are not exactly like us? What is next? All citizens are only able to have one child? We must all submit to bi-weekly probes? I did not come to this legislative body to allow my people’s freedoms to be stripped away as if they mean nothing. I came here to make sure my planet would remain part of what was the Republic and is now the Empire. But I cannot and will not sit by and allow my people’s freedoms to be taken away slowly, one at a time. I must vote AGAINST this measure. The Empire should not be here to micromanage its citizens’ lives. There are bigger things to be concerned about than who is fornicating with who.
Ja'nar Cerra Queen of Garos IV Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Wednesday, 13 Oct 2010, 2:55 PM | Message # 3 |
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| I must vote against the measure. Governor Oswaldt, Interspecies Fornication may be very disgusting for some of us, but it is not a threat to the security of the Empire. We have sacrificed some of our freedoms in order to ensure that the galaxy will be a safe place. To place a Ban on Interspecies Fornication is pointless, to breed a hybrid of a Human and a Near-Human is not a threat to the galaxy. It should be a sentient being's choice on who to mate with. This shouldn't even be discussed anyway because this is not a citizen's right but a sentient being's right.
Tremaine Fowlkes Senator of Telos IV
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Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Wednesday, 13 Oct 2010, 4:13 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Senator Cerra, I suggest you reconsider some of your words. You're quite close to going from silly to seditious. You talk about the "freedom to fornicate with who we wish," well, what about the freedom of a child to be born without birth defects? Will you condemn an innocent child to a life of misery simply so you can do what you want, or should I say, do who you want? Whose "right" is more important, Senator Fowlkes? Yours to have sex with some... thing? Or a child's right to a normal life? To a chance of a normal life? If anything, you're standing against freedom here. You're standing for selfishness and licentiousness. Reconsider your votes, Senators. Support your species.
Johannes Oswaldt Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Wednesday, 13 Oct 2010, 4:16 PM | Message # 5 |
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| A sentient being simply cannot help who they wish to be with, Governor. I am afraid that your proposal would be the cause of more problems than the "problems" that you wish to solve. I, too, vote against this measure.
Ilanah R. Thanatos Senator of Chandrila
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Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Wednesday, 13 Oct 2010, 4:17 PM | Message # 6 |
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| I want to be clear, Senator Thanatos. I'm not telling people who to love. I'm telling them who not to love. This is about self restraint. It's about moral decency. It's about the children. And it's about the integrity of our species.
Johannes Oswaldt Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Wednesday, 13 Oct 2010, 4:27 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Oh dearest Governor, please note that I did not say love. I just wanted to make that clear to you. I will, of course, take your words into careful consideration. I fear, however, that your opinion will still be outnumbered. I am sure though that there are plenty who will....take into account the integrity of our species. I will rest assured that you will be one of those people. I just believe that it is not a feasible option to try and enforce such a ban. Would it not take too many resources from other more pressing matters that need attending?
Ilanah R. Thanatos Senator of Chandrila
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LomenRyuun | Date: Wednesday, 13 Oct 2010, 4:28 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I tend to agree with Governor Oswaldt on this one. The... offspring... between a human and a Gamorrean, if I might say as much, is simply... well, it tends to make one think about certain things best not thought about. While I am sure that some species would be able to meld with some degree of safety, it is simply better to keep the process safe and happy. As such, I vote in favor of this act. By all means, love does not need to be shown with extreme degrees of physical nature.
Lomen Ryuun Senator, Doldur Sector Senator, Druckenwell Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY) Representative, Geridard Representative, Boranall Representative, Therenor Prime Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended) Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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Toben-Domon | Date: Wednesday, 13 Oct 2010, 4:32 PM | Message # 9 |
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| With respect to Senators Cerra, Fowlkes and Thanatos, I must say that a non-human's opinion is quite needed on this. While you humans are quite interesting beings, your flesh is... oddly pale... and you smell quite different. My mate back home is quite delectable. Her scales feel quite delightful when... well, I digress. I have nothing against humans, of course. I simply believe that to stay inside one's own species is far more preferable than going outside. I'd not want my race tainted by outside influence and I can hardly blame Governor Oswaldt for thinking the same. I am saddened to see the aforementioned Senators voting against this. Perhaps they should take more pride in what they are. I vote in favor.
Toben Domon Senator, Sluis Van
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Adoven Ryner | Date: Wednesday, 13 Oct 2010, 4:57 PM | Message # 10 |
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| The Interspecies Advisory Committee is appalled that such a measure is even being proposed in the Senate. Voting in favor of this measure is akin to voting to remove personal freedoms. There are obvious and simple differences between bestiality and sexual intercourse amongst different species: sentience and consent. Beings of any races have the fundamental right to be with whom they so desire, no matter of their species, so long as both partners consent to being in a sexual relationship and that both are actively aware of being in one. Rather than promoting fear of diseases and birth defects, shouldn't the government prize a more educational approach? It should teach people the risks, yes, but it should propose ways to prevent and cure them. Theoretically speaking, abstinence is be the best method of contraception, but let us be frank... It is also the most useless. One cannot stop a heart from loving or a ... ahem... from... well, you know... As for those who might say that instructing the public would be costly... Funding this "Jedi hunt" and policing and enforcing such a ban would be just as costly and even more pointless. Obviously, some members of this Senate are detached from the common world beyond these walls. Look at it this way: you can either instruct or you can police every single beds of this galaxy... You'd have a better time domesticating a Nexu.
The Hon. Adoven Ryner Political attaché to the Chandrilan Senator
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Crin_Star | Date: Thursday, 14 Oct 2010, 5:19 AM | Message # 11 |
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| Crin would shake her head a bit looking over at the Volusian representative who would then move to take the floor yeilding his time to Crin instead. She couldn't vote and she knew it, not yet anyways but would at least voice her opinion on the matter. "Governor, I understand where you are coming from. The purity of our species must be maintained. However this measure would not do that and would have an adverse impact, whose implications would be far worse than simply ignoring the problem and focusing on the true issues which I will discuss shortly. I have only a few points to make on the matter, questions mainly to the governor who I request would accept them as such and provide satisfactory answers to both myself and to this body as a whole. Each one I will touch on briefly before allowing you a chance to respond. Firstly, how do you intend to enforce this new law? Do you plan to place a camera in the bed room of every sentient being in the galaxy and their speeders and ship and any other place where this supposed fornication was taking place? Also even if this law were passed there would likely be just a few reactions from those who are already partaking in this abherent behavior: either they will continue on in defiance of the empire leading to their arrest and detainment at tax payer dollars for mating, they will obey the laws and change their ways, they will protest and try through all legitimate channels to have it changed, or they will join with the rallying call of the resistences which already falsely claim the empire is biased against non-humans at which point they will have to be hunted down and exterminated by our brave men and women in white also at taxpayer expense. Do you really intend to try to enforce such a doctrine which can only truly cause problems in the future, and I might add one that would put you at odds with nearly every cantina owner in the galaxy because their patrons know they can no longer have a chance with the twi'lek dancers that their male patrons seemed to be so very 'fond' of. Secondly, as I alluded to a moment ago we could be providing ammunition for the foolish enemies of the empire when we should be more focused on finding and setting them straight. So I propose to you why should we provide that ammunition to them? Instead I would propose focusing on them instead of trivial matters as who is screwing who. Honestly, governor I really don't want to know what is going on in the bed rooms of sentients across the galaxy. This MUST be our first priority not who is in bed with whom and what they are doing. If I am approved for full membership then the first thing I will propose is increased funding for CorSec. These insurgents must be found and eliminated and that should be our priority. This monnok who was reported in the Coruscant Journal just a few weeks ago should be at the top of the list for being found and eliminated. Also, you mention the right of the infants, the unborn, and the children from such unions. While I agree with you to an extent that it is their right to grow up without the defects from those syndromes where I deviate from your position is the manner in which we go about correcting the issue. Medicine not politics would be my prefered method of dealing with them. Invest only a portion of the credits that it would cost to fund these measures into the seeking of a cure for these diseases and at worst a treatment. Or as the committee suggested use the credits for education and contraception. The other Senators also bring up fair points about privacy and the right of sentients to love whom they choose and to, to put it in blunt terms, screw whoever they choose regardless of race, ideology, species, gender or any other restrictions either of us can come up with. It may offend our sensibilities Governor but I do not feel I am one to judge another based upon who they love. Do you governor? Do you feel it is your place in this galaxy to judge other sentient beings based solely on who they love and how they choose to express that love in the privacy of their own homes? As I have alluded to before I feel there is one more question that should be posed to you governor that I hope will prove informative. How much will such a measure cost? Not just in resources but in lives. What in the end will be the true price tag for this measure and is it worth it so you can pretend to have peace of mind? How much will it cost the local systems to provide facilities for the new influx of 'criminals' or for the sterlization you proposed for repeat offenders? How much will the tax payers be asked to give for this measure? And finally are you completely sure that it is worth it? To know that a human isn't in a cantina somewhere messing around with a twi'lek dancer. These are not the least of my concerns with this proposed ban, governor but nor are the all of them. However I believe that I have taken up enough of the Senate's time and since I can not as of yet vote, nor would I have until these questions have been answered and my concerns at least looked at. I won't rush to judgement like some as I don't believe your intentions are malicious governor but are what you feel is best for the empire and as such you should be given the chance to address these concerns and the concerns of the committee, but please governor consider some of these issues carefully as well as those who have cast their vote. Consider what does it mean to you truely that someone is involved with someone else?" With that she would move to take a seat back wanting to listen to the response having yielded back the speaking rights to the representative who then yielded them on once again.
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Senator_Cambrist | Date: Thursday, 14 Oct 2010, 12:24 PM | Message # 12 |
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| If I may interrupt, Governor, I feel I must correct Ms. Star's logic on a number of points. Your point, Ms. Star, with respect to the enforcement of the measure, and the tendency of some who are displeased with the measure to resist it if it is passed, is an argumentum ad consequentium (or appeal to consequences). That is to say, that a measure is difficult to enforce or will cause bad things to happen has no bearing on whether it is right. I will concede that the Senate would be mad not to consider the consequences of its actions, naturally, but to argue against a measure, as you do in your first and second points, based only on its consequences or the difficulty of enforcing it is, with all due respect, fallacious. There are other fallacies in your remarks (the slippery slope, the red herring or, if you will, the red "monnok"), but we are all guilty of these on occasion, perhaps Governor Oswaldt chiefly among us. In any case, far be it from me to take you to task for them. I would suggest, only, that we remain focused on the proposal itself insofar as we may. With that said, I vote against the measure. I am in agreement with its premise, but I'm not sure the Imperial Senate is the proper place for it. Individual planets, I feel, should make this decision for themselves based on their own demographics and... sensibilities. For instance, Governor, Eriadu would be quite right to pursue this policy, while, say, the planet Khomm, which has a rather homogenous population and where "interspecies fornication" isn't a common problem, may find its time and resources better spent on other priorities.
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Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Thursday, 14 Oct 2010, 7:44 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Senator Star, no offense, but you can't moan about how much this measure will cost and then say we should be spending money on education, contraception, and curing diseases, and this, that, and the other. What about the money that this measure will save because the Empire doesn't have to spend money on medical care for birth complications and birth defects and diseases? Sterilization would be much cheaper. But this isn't just about money, Senator. What does the "price tag" matter to a child who wants only a normal, healthy life with two human parents? What has the child done to deserve anything less? I probably have children, Senators, and I'm sorry that I don't care about the supposed "right of sentients to love who they choose" when the rights of children are in danger. I already said, this isn't about who you can love, it's about who you can't love. You can have sex with your own kind, as it should be. You can't have sex with just any alien or creature or.. thing. By the Force, humans are as they are meant to be. They're not meant to be some unholy combination of Hutts or Bith or Sluissi or whatever it is you want to have sex with (no offense, Domon. You're one of the good ones). Having sex with whatever you want isn't a "fundamental right." It's licentious is what it is. By the way, Ryner, I know your little committee is all about "interspecies relations," but I didn't think it was supposed to be taken literally. Anyway, what does it say for interspecies relations that me and Domon agree on this measure? Seems like humans are the only ones against it. Humans who have no respect for the integrity of their species or other species! Humans who want to "screw" whatever they want. Well screw you!
Johannes Oswaldt Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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Toben-Domon | Date: Thursday, 14 Oct 2010, 8:04 PM | Message # 14 |
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| No offense taken at all, Governor. I shudder to think what the production of a human and Sluissi would look like. Certainly terrible indeed.
Toben Domon Senator, Sluis Van
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Sate_Pestage | Date: Thursday, 14 Oct 2010, 10:27 PM | Message # 15 |
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| Order, please. Governor Oswaldt, I am pleased that you are enthusiastic about your species, as indeed am I. However, do endeavor to be respectful and, please, use parliamentary language. You are warned, as is Senator Cerra. Be mindful that you do not encourage Separatists and insurgents with your words, Senator. The Empire's operations against the Jedi are not a "cleansing." They are necessary to end the threat that the Jedi pose to the people, and the government. The Empire, I would remind you, stands for freedom—freedom from the sort of chaos that makes all other freedoms impossible. I'm sure, Senator Cerra, you did not mean to suggest otherwise. Now, are there any other votes or remarks on this measure?
Sate Pestage Grand Vizier of the Empire Assistant to Emperor Palpatine Chair of the Imperial Senate
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