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Abolishing the Interspecies Advisory Committee
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Tuesday, 19 Oct 2010, 5:16 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Maybe the Interspecies Advisory Committee was right for a time when the Old Republic wasn't able to do anything for itself and had to hand its responsibilities off to panels and committees that, as we have seen, end up pushing some political agenda. It is not necessary in this day and age, Senators. The Empire has put these problems behind us. We don't ignore the problems of the people anymore, and the Senate doesn't need bureaucrats telling it how to vote and what to think. The Interspecies Advisory Committee is the worst of them. It has become a voice for seditious elements on Chandrila pushing a radical viewpoint on us. It's not necessary and it's not helpful. I propose we abolish it and I vote in favor.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Crin_Star | Date: Tuesday, 19 Oct 2010, 5:39 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Crin would move to rise up looking at Governor Oswaldt. "Governor, I know we have had our disagreements but I do believe that you are correct in that we do not need further bureaucracy in this particular matter. And I believe that this body can absorb most of the duties with regards to the interspecies relations. So I must vote In favor of this resolution to perhaps the surprise of several."
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Tuesday, 19 Oct 2010, 11:28 PM | Message # 3 |
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| I too vote in favor, and I thank Governor Oswaldt for his efforts to cut through the needless bureaucracy that is left over from the Republic.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
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Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Wednesday, 20 Oct 2010, 2:40 AM | Message # 4 |
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| I am not saying that I'm in support of the Old Republic, but perhaps it is the only committee within the Empire capable of reasoning with the species other than Humans. If we abolish it, what message would we be sending to them?
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Wednesday, 20 Oct 2010, 3:47 AM | Message # 5 |
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| That the Empire is taking interspecies disputes more seriously now and will resolve them itself, not some panel of bureaucrats with a political agenda.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Taja_Lohden | Date: Wednesday, 20 Oct 2010, 9:15 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Taja waited for a time to speak, then leaned on the edge of her senate pod as it hovered forward to take the proverbial floor. "People of the Senate, I have a few words to consider before I register my vote. Having such committee's as this one can also have a profoundly negative effect on the people they represent. Other species are readily represented in the Senate already, and having a separate committee only send out the message that such things are needed, in order for their voices to be heard. The very notion is offensive, that the Senate needs sub-divisions to single out peoples that are already under scrutiny and discrimination. We should be treating these other species as equals, or as close to equals as is necessary, without giving them special groups and committees.
Should this act be passed, I will take things a step further, once everything is laid out properly and a proposal put together. In the meantime, I vote in favour of the abolition of the Interspecies Advisory Committee, to further solidify and unite the people of the Empire".
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| Mical_de_Crion | Date: Wednesday, 20 Oct 2010, 9:55 AM | Message # 7 |
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| Against. How much more must we toss aside of democracy? How much more must we toss aside of freedom? How much more must we toss aside of justice? The Republic stood as such for a reason, everything was in the proper place, and it worked. Yes, we had hard times and bad times...and we had individuals in office that were no the best, but thus is democracy; that's a word I'm sure most of the Senate doesn't even understand. Until Senator Oswaldt can provide a convincing argument against the Interspecies Advisory Committee, other than one amounting to "it's inconvenient", then I will stand against this.
Mical Léo de Crion
Director, All Stars Burn As One Foundation
Chairman, Urban Youth College Fund
Owner, Château Hiver Rivière
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Wednesday, 20 Oct 2010, 12:22 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I must agree with Senator Crion here, I would like to hear a compelling argument by Senator Oswaldt toward abolishing the Committee. I do believe that if we abolish the Committee, the Empire would hear more objections from Non-Humans. We must approach this carefully, Senators.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Wednesday, 20 Oct 2010, 1:11 PM | Message # 9 |
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| I vote in favor of this motion.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Wednesday, 20 Oct 2010, 2:12 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Senator Cerra, thank you for your unexpected vote. Senator Fowlkes, Crion, first: I prefer Governor Oswaldt, second: I don't know what you're talking about. I gave many reasons to abolish the Interspecies Advisory Committee and "it's inconvenient" wasn't one of them. But since you mention it, it is inconvenient also. And Crion, I'd like you to tell me what exactly is democratic about a group of unelected bureaucrats telling the Imperial Senate what to think and how to vote, since you understand democracy so much better than all of us.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Wednesday, 20 Oct 2010, 3:24 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Governor Oswaldt, I completely agree with your statement that the Senate does not need bureaucrats telling us how to vote or what to think. I think where we tend to butt heads happens to be where I feel like the Empire should not tell its people how to think or what to do as long as it is not harming Imperial rule.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Adoven Ryner | Date: Wednesday, 20 Oct 2010, 4:59 PM | Message # 12 |
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| The only "agenda" this committee is being accused of having is that of limiting inter-specie tensions and mediating ends to various inter-species conflicts. I will be blunt and to the point: politicians and bureaucrats are not trained in dealing with anyone else than their own political kind. Though some might have backgrounds in cultural and social anthropology or sciences, most do not. It is all well and good to say in this room that problems will be solved, but certain species need to be dealt with in certain ways that some of you might not even be aware of. SIAC counts anthropologist, xeno-ethnologist and xenobiologist amongst its members. They understand their own and other species and can be turned to for effective and tactful ways of interacting with diverse beings when conflicts emerge. And might I remind the human members of the Senate that humans are a species too and that even interplanetary dealings require the help of SIAC. One does not deal the same way with people from my native Chandrila as one does with people from Aargau or Mandalore. Disbanding SIAC can only lead to the violation of certain species' distinct ways of interacting and of being. Some problems can even degenerate and worsen if not dealt with in proper manners that SIAC could recommend. I therefore ask some of you to reconsider your positions, but the Senate Inter-Species Advisory Committee will accept come what will...
The Hon. Adoven Ryner
Political attaché to the Chandrilan Senator
Message edited by Adoven Ryner - Wednesday, 20 Oct 2010, 5:06 PM |
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Wednesday, 20 Oct 2010, 5:19 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Mr. Ryner certainly is....passionate....about the committee that he speaks for, Governor Oswaldt. I sometimes fear too passionate as well as compassionate. While there is nothing wrong with compassion for others, including those of other species, there is a time and place for it and that time and place is no longer in this senate chamber. As much as it pains me to, I also vote in favor of passing this motion.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Mical_de_Crion | Date: Wednesday, 20 Oct 2010, 6:41 PM | Message # 14 |
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| The Interspecies Advisory Committee, to my knowledge, is chosen by the Senate... unless I have been misinformed on this matter by my staff. The Committee does not tell you what to think and how to vote, unlike what Vizier Pestage seems to do often with Senator Fowlkes. It gives an informed opinion on related matters and advises a course of action, which the Senate has the option of heeding or not. Their duty is within their name, and they have done their duty appropriately for years. By the way Senator Fowlkes, are you truly incapable of interacting with a being of another species? Are you assuming that only a select few of us can interact with non-Humans? You sir, are a bigot, small-minded being, and I feel pity for your existence. Speaker Ryner is indeed a passionate man, and a caring one with unlimited compassion. You have described him well. He cares about his duties and role in the galaxy, and this is to be shunned? By the very person who he works for? It is shocking that you, of all people, Senator Thanatos, would agree with this legislation. I would be interested as to why Senator Cerra is also voting for this legislation, especially without explanation.
Mical Léo de Crion
Director, All Stars Burn As One Foundation
Chairman, Urban Youth College Fund
Owner, Château Hiver Rivière
Message edited by MicaldeCrion - Wednesday, 20 Oct 2010, 6:45 PM |
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Wednesday, 20 Oct 2010, 6:46 PM | Message # 15 |
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| If we all vote to approve this, then we might as well vote to get rid of every other committee that hold importance to this galaxy and her people. I vote against.
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