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Abregado-San's governor applies his planet for the senate.
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Tuesday, 14 Dec 2010, 6:09 PM | Message # 16 |
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| I see absolutely no reason why another world should not be permitted to be represented in the Imperial Senate. I also vote in favor.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Tuesday, 14 Dec 2010, 7:08 PM | Message # 17 |
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| I see no reason to deny this application. I vote to approve.
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 15 Dec 2010, 4:10 AM | Message # 18 |
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| A point of clarification please, Mr. Baqri. You say that the issue of whether to "lift" the requirement for women to be veiled was raised before your Supreme Council, but that the women of the Council did not desire to do so. However, does this mean, as it appears to me, that it is not only the religion but also the law on Abregado-san that requires this? A requirement, of course, cannot be "lifted" by the Supreme Council if there is no legal requirement to begin with (unless your government legislates religious affairs as well as legal ones). If it is the case that this is indeed a legal as well as a religious requirement on your world, would that not constitute state support for religion (which, of course, is forbidden)? I agree, naturally, that a woman is and should be permitted to wear a veil if it is her desire to do so, including the women on your Supreme Council. Having a law that requires it, however, is another issue entirely, and a far more controversial one. In light of this, I am curious to know a bit more about your government; namely, 1.) what role, if any, do religious figures play in your government, and 2.) if there are certain issues on which only women can vote, as they did in your Supreme Council, are there also issues on which only men can vote?
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| Nasir | Date: Wednesday, 15 Dec 2010, 9:08 PM | Message # 19 |
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| An excellent question, Sir Cambrist. Your first question will be answered at a later time, for it takes a long while to explain it fully, however I will tell you the short of it. The law on Abregado-san was said to be written by a divine being ages ago, indicating that the beauty of a woman shouldn't be shown publicly, to excite men as I stated before. As for your second set of a questions. The religious figures are highly revered for their honesty, and wisdom. Long ago they played in the council, and other parts of our government, such as trying to run for senator. And as for the woman vote thing I mentioned earlier. I should have specified, it was a vote for the females of Abregado-San when our Sultan announced that our planet would be attempted to join the imperial senate. They thought of a male vote, but found it sexist for a man to decide what a woman should/shouldn't wear.
Emir(Governor) Nasir Baqri of Abregado San
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 16 Dec 2010, 6:14 AM | Message # 20 |
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| Vjun votes against Abregado San's acceptance on this issue. We vote for the admission of a Senator who represents a government who's authority and law is so rooted in religious doctrine. Frankly it is astonishing that such a backwards and obnoxious religious concept even exists, let alone on a seemingly modern world wishing to enter this chamber. Frankly, to me it seems as if the Abregado system is being ruled by archaic and backward despots who cling to an outmoded and obnoxious system of faith which can lead only to the subjugation of women, and the people ultimately. Imperial Citizens should bow before no gods, no spirits or ghosts, only to the Empire and its officers should we bow our heads in respect. I have a question Senator Nasir, do you believe in this religion? Do you believe in its god?
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Nasir | Date: Thursday, 16 Dec 2010, 8:25 AM | Message # 21 |
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| You have clearly misinterpreted my words, Oriel. Our planet is working on ways to to make the religious practice that so many believed in for many years cease to exist. Senator Cambrist simple asked a question and I replied with the knowledge that we know. And as for your question. No I do not.
Emir(Governor) Nasir Baqri of Abregado San
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| Fabio | Date: Friday, 17 Dec 2010, 5:39 PM | Message # 22 |
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| Setting law's takes awhile, I'm sure Governor Baqri's planet will fall in with us. I welcome you to the senate, if you are accepted. I vote in favor.
Fabio Riada. King of Anobis.
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Saturday, 18 Dec 2010, 2:07 AM | Message # 23 |
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| Mr. Baqri, your answer is most assuring. To me, that is. But are we really to believe that all of your people are as willing as you are to make your world's religion "cease to exist"? You did say, a moment ago, that there was recently a civil war on your world, the cause of which was religion. Presumably, there is quite a lot of religious passion among your people and at least some of them must not share your—indeed, our—views on this issue. Some clarification of this would be appreciated. I thank you for your answer to my question about only females participating in the recent deliberations of your Supreme Council. However, I was not in doubt as to the reason for this, and indeed, it is not unreasonable. What I was more curious about, though, is if it is common on your world that only one gender or the other may be allowed to vote on particular issues. And are these distinctions, in fact, based only on gender? Or can the right to vote also be based on, say, profession? Or age? For instance, only clergy being permitted to vote on religious matters, or only the elderly on retirement issues, etc. If this is not the case, why is it not the case? I'm sorry to belabor this point, but having a right to vote on a conditional, rather than absolute basis is a concept that I've not encountered, and it fascinates me.
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Sunday, 19 Dec 2010, 1:56 AM | Message # 24 |
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| When possible, in this galaxy of millions of diverse peoples and cultures, I tend to respect the legal principle of consuetudo pro lege servatur ("custom is law"). I understand that the customs on Naboo are those of Naboo, and that other worlds may not share them any more than they must share the same language. As a result, Mr. Baqri, I do not oppose Abregado-san's admission to this chamber. However, while I am obliged to respect that your customs may be different from mine, I feel I must say for the record that I am not obliged to respect your customs. Indeed, I do not. It is my belief that women should not be made subordinate to men. If they wish to be, then, as Senator Cerra suggested, that is their prerogative. But a legal requirement for women to cover themselves in deference to men is repugnant to me, even if it is a majority view among women. It is my belief that minority rights should never be subject to a majority vote. You have generously indicated that you would be willing to reconsider this requirement on your world. I would humbly ask that you do so. However, as I said, I do not insist upon this or oppose your world's admission to this chamber.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Tuesday, 21 Dec 2010, 5:45 AM | Message # 25 |
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| For reasons stated above, I vote in favor.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| RonsardEntrente | Date: Tuesday, 21 Dec 2010, 11:06 AM | Message # 26 |
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| Commenor votes in favor of admitting Abregado-san. Their planetary government has the authority to decide cultural and religious edicts so long as they do not conflict with standing Imperial law.
Ronsard Entrente Senator of Commenor
Ranking Member, Commerce Committee
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| Nasir | Date: Tuesday, 21 Dec 2010, 11:42 AM | Message # 27 |
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| I thank you fine senators for the votes. I, along with my planet know not do, as senator Entrente stated, along with the other senators that stated as much.
Emir(Governor) Nasir Baqri of Abregado San
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 21 Dec 2010, 1:16 PM | Message # 28 |
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| I would remind Mr. Baqri that my question has not been answered, and that, according to the Senate rules, his application cannot be approved until "the questions of the Senate have been satisfied."
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| Nasir | Date: Tuesday, 21 Dec 2010, 4:19 PM | Message # 29 |
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| I apologize, Senator Cambrist. The answer to your question would be yes. Minus the male/female thing. Certain Professions have the right to vote on some matters, while others that do not work within that system do not. For Instance; Building, We aren't going to want a the people who know nothing of construction to make call's on how to build it are we?
Emir(Governor) Nasir Baqri of Abregado San
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 21 Dec 2010, 5:56 PM | Message # 30 |
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| It's certainly an interesting perspective. Thank you for your answer, Mr. Baqri. And finally, the other question about whether there is popular will on your planet to make its religion "cease to exist"? To those who may doubt the relevance of this line of questioning, I would point out that inquiring as to a people's inclination to dissent (and potentially rebellion) is very important in a prospective Imperial world.
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