Banning the Observation of Life Day
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Senator_Cambrist | Date: Saturday, 25 Dec 2010, 0:06 AM | Message # 1 |
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| Senators, I propose that the Imperial government, and planetary governments, be prohibited from formally recognizing, observing, or participating in the Wookiee holiday of "Life Day," or treating it in any preferential fashion. That is; it will not be considered a holiday for the Imperial Senate, or for federal offices, agencies, etc. (however, Wookiee employees, as few as there are, may be granted leave provided it is requested sufficiently in advance). Imperial funds are not to be used to support Life Day events or displays, and Imperial-owned media is not to promote the celebration of Life Day. I realize that this occasion is celebrated on many worlds, but the fact remains that it is, traditionally, a day of spiritual significance on the planet of Kashyyyk (a planet in a state of open rebellion against the Empire, I might add), and it is unseemly for the Empire or its officials—who are meant to be impartial—to honor one planet's holiday to the disregard or detriment of any other planet's holidays. Especially, again, a holiday founded on subversive alien precepts. It is also my understanding that Life Day involves a certain spirituality and ritual worship of a "tree of life." I remind the Senate that it is the Empire's stated policy not to promote articles of spiritual or religious belief. Another reason to vote in favor of this measure, as I do now.
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Senator_Ordan | Date: Saturday, 25 Dec 2010, 3:12 PM | Message # 2 |
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| I vote in favour, I also vote for the chair to close this motion as soon as possible.
Senator Hubert Ordan __________________________
Senator of the Azure Sector Foreign Minister of Anaxes Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes Autocrat of Selgon Owner of Azure Durasteel Systems Admiral (Ret) Order of the Canted Circle
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Saturday, 25 Dec 2010, 3:14 PM | Message # 3 |
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| I also vote in favour of this motion for the reasons stated by Senator Cambrist.
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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Toben-Domon | Date: Sunday, 26 Dec 2010, 7:40 AM | Message # 4 |
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| As opposed to banning Life Day for its religious aspects, why not simply issue a proclamation stating that Imperial Center does not recognize said religious aspects and does not condone the worship of this 'Tree of Life,' and, furthermore, does not hold a Wookiee holiday's precedence over that of any other world's. That being said, the government can then give the day that Life Day falls upon as a federal holiday. Give it whatever reason is necessary. Then, people can have their day off to do whatever they wish and Life Day gains no extra significance. Unless an amendment can be made, Sluis Van is impartial.
Toben Domon Senator, Sluis Van
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Janar_Cerra | Date: Sunday, 26 Dec 2010, 10:02 AM | Message # 5 |
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| At the current time, Garos IV is against this motion. While Garos acknowledges that fact that Kashyyyk is currently resisting Imperial Rule many Wookies do still preside within the Empire’s boundaries and are by most accounts, law-abiding citizens of the Empire. With this being said, the majority of holidays have some sort of religious connotation to them, though the religion part of most holidays are forgotten or minimized by days off of work, presents, and being with loved ones. Life Day is no different. I feel as if we are trying to micro-manage the citizens and planets of the Empire. Allow them to make their own rules when dealing with holidays and what days will be observed, when they will be observed and how they will be observed. Allow each planet to make their up their own minds on what ‘religious’ holidays are practiced. As for giving off days for those who work within the Empire, allow them to use personal holidays for those that they celebrate but are not sanctioned by the Empire.
Ja'nar Cerra Queen of Garos IV Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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LomenRyuun | Date: Sunday, 26 Dec 2010, 10:12 AM | Message # 6 |
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| I concur with Senator Cambrist. Lie Day is indigenous originally to the Wookiees. Rebellion notwithstanding, I believe there is no purpose in incorporating their holiday into the Empire. Druckenwell votes for this measure. Replace it with a meaningful holiday, one that appreciates and honors the workers of the Empire instead.
Lomen Ryuun Senator, Doldur Sector Senator, Druckenwell Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY) Representative, Geridard Representative, Boranall Representative, Therenor Prime Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended) Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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Janar_Cerra | Date: Sunday, 26 Dec 2010, 1:22 PM | Message # 7 |
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| I do not think we need to complete ban the observation of this holiday. Lets say, Garos wants to observe it. The people and ruling parties on the planet should have the right to say what is a holiday on their planet or not. It is fine if the Empire does not want to sanction it. If it does not want to official approve of the holiday and not give its workers the day off. But like I said, it should be open to each planet to make up their own minds on this matter.
Ja'nar Cerra Queen of Garos IV Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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Crin_Star | Date: Sunday, 26 Dec 2010, 4:34 PM | Message # 8 |
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| "I must agree with Senator Cerra, planets should be allowed to decide if they wish to observe a holiday or not. However, perhaps Senator Cambrist would be willing to make a compromise with that there will be no Imperial observance of the holiday. Until then I will be voting against this measure.
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Senator_Cambrist | Date: Sunday, 26 Dec 2010, 8:03 PM | Message # 9 |
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| I will address all of your points, Senators, but first I must clarify that I have attempted to propose a measure that is consonant with the Imperial policy on this issue, and the policy, I would remind you, is that "some religious belief is benign; the Empire does not concern itself with this sort, as long as it is practiced in private and makes no forays into politics or policy. The Empire, however, opposes any and all state support of religion." An Imperial planet having a policy of recessing its assemblies, agencies, and employees on Life Day, an Imperial planet having a policy of promoting Life Day events or displays with government funds or government media, is clearly, clearly, in defiance of the Imperial policy. To address Senator Cerra's and Senator Star's superficially convincing argument that a planet should be able to "decide for itself" its policies with respect to religion, I would caution you, Senators—down this path lies religious demagoguery of the worst kind. You and your planets mean well, but there are planets that, if given this same opportunity to legislate religiously, would not do so only for the banal purpose of holidays, as you would. I have no desire to see the law used to enforce religious principles or occasions of any kind, whether it pertains to a holiday or whether, potentially, it pertains to beheadings, stonings, and all manner of barbarity. That, to me, is why the Imperial policy on this issue is quite clear in opposing "any and all state support of religion." Remember also, Senators, that a law may be passed encouraging religious extremism on one world, but that world's religious extremism is rarely, if ever, the problem of that world alone. As long as it exists on any world, it is a potential danger to all worlds, and should never be encouraged by law (intentionally or, in this case, unintentionally). I would also humbly recommend reading more into the Imperial policy that I referred to a moment ago—you will find, I think, other convincing arguments against Imperial worlds legislating religiously. I would simply conclude this point by drawing your attention to the fact that the potential dangers of this path far outweigh whatever superficial "benefit" or, perhaps, comfort that Life Day will bring to your people. With respect to Senator Cerra's argument that "the majority of holidays have some sort of religious connotation to them," this simply isn't the case on Brentaal, and on most worlds that I know of. Brentaal, like most Core Worlds, celebrates fete weeks like the Festival of Life, which is similar to Life Day but without religious connotations. We also celebrate the Festival of the Stars, which commemorates space travel. And, of course, we join all Core Worlds, including Imperial Center, in celebrating the New Year Festival. I would also suggest to Senator Ryuun that Empire Day is a terrific occasion to unite us all. Under the circumstances, there is certainly no reason why the government of Brentaal, or of any Imperial world, should recognize, observe, or participate in Life Day—a petty, provincial holiday celebrating a tree on a planet that happens to be revolting. You may take the word "revolting" in whatever sense you would like. But Senators, my proposal is not unreasonable. The people of your worlds may, of course, celebrate Life Day if they wish (even if I happen to believe, personally, that this borders on an act of subversion against the Empire). My proposal simply clarifies that the governments of Imperial planets—which are bound together by the Empire, funded by the Empire, defended by the Empire—shall not support Life Day in defiance of Imperial policy. I come, finally, to you, Senator Domon. If it is the desire of your world to strip Life Day of all of its religious meaning, and spiritual meaning, and geographic meaning, and racial meaning, and political meaning, and national meaning, and recognize it on Sluis Van for "whatever reason is necessary," as you phrased it, you are perfectly able to do so under existing law and this proposal would not affect your ability to. Why go to all this trouble, though, instead of simply having a holiday to celebrate something unique about Sluis Van and its people, I cannot imagine. I would think that, considering your planet's fleet has no ships manufactured by your planet's shipyards, some gesture in honor of your planet would be appreciated by your people.
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Toben-Domon | Date: Sunday, 26 Dec 2010, 9:12 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Sluis Van already holds several holidays for the varied honors of our people. As to our defensive fleet, I admit, it is a shame, but as all know, we take extreme amounts of time to produce quality work. The vessels we have now are cheap makeshifts that will tide us over for the time being.
Toben Domon Senator, Sluis Van
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Senator_Cambrist | Date: Monday, 27 Dec 2010, 0:22 AM | Message # 11 |
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| Understandable, Senator. However, I ask you, in consideration of what I have said—that Sluis Van is welcome to pursue the course of action that you described under current law and under my proposal—are you willing to change your vote? I would hope, upon having their attention drawn to the clear defiance of Imperial policy that an Imperial world's recognition of Life Day would represent, that the Senators who have opposed the legislation thus far would also reconsider their votes.
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Toben-Domon | Date: Monday, 27 Dec 2010, 6:49 AM | Message # 12 |
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| Let it be said that Sluis Van never voted against, simply remained impartial. In light of recent talk though, Sluis Van votes in favor.
Toben Domon Senator, Sluis Van
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Janar_Cerra | Date: Monday, 27 Dec 2010, 6:54 AM | Message # 13 |
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| Cambrist, darling, when have I been known to change my vote? I cannot change how I feel about holidays and observances. I love holidays, no one gets into the spirit more than myself I think. I do not expect the Empire to incorporate a Garosian holidays into its calendar. Many of the holidays are celebrated on just Garos for various reasons. Does it make us treasonous for celebrating our winter, harvest, or founding holidays? I do not believe so. I do believe in individual planets' rights to rule over themselves as long as they are not attempting to cause open rebellion and they are not breaking any major imperial rules. Ninty percent of all holidays have some sort of religious origins as well as practices when they are celebrated. It is just a fact that we need to understand and get over.
Ja'nar Cerra Queen of Garos IV Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Monday, 27 Dec 2010, 7:19 AM | Message # 14 |
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| Let the record note Senator Cerra stating her intractability despite the facts which have been eloquently stated by Senator Cambrist. I don't know what a "percet" is, but may I state that Vjun has no such religious holidays for its people, simply good, educated ones based around culture and education, not ignorance and religion. Life day is an expensive abomination, driving the poor further into penury, and I will not stand to see the poor become poorer because of "religion".
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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Janar_Cerra | Date: Monday, 27 Dec 2010, 7:36 AM | Message # 15 |
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| ((Stop being a jerk Jamie))
Ja'nar Cerra Queen of Garos IV Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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