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Dated Assets Sales Act
Titus_VeritasDate: Sunday, 09 Jan 2011, 9:36 PM | Message # 1
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Dated Assets Sales Act

Written and Introduced by Lord Titus Veritas, Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector and Chairman of the Defense Committee
Sponsored by the Imperial Senate Defense Committee

ARTICLE I - Sale of Dated Assets
All Clone Wars era equipment in use by the Empire are to be transitioned into local forces or scrapped, with profits from both attributing to the funding of the update and expansion of the Imperial Military Forces. All Clone Wars era or later equipment in use by the Empire are to be retired and replaced within the next ten years, with a five year extension and/or waiver for individual classes to be introduced at the discretion of the Throne. Through the Defense Committee, the members of the Empire are welcomed, and encouraged, to purchase any and all retired equipment within stated limits. All sales are final, and subject to the approval of the Defense Committee, and the Throne has the right to levy a higher judgment upon the sale of Dated Assets.

ARTICLE II - Concerning Previous Legislation
Should any previous law be considered contradictory, opposing, or otherwise in conflict with this legislation, it shall be considered void.

The Pestage Provision
The Throne has the ability to enforce and allow exemptions from any standing limitations in transactions it is a party to. In related transactions to which the Empire is not a party to, those involved may request an exemption to any standing limitations


Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords

Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
 
Crin_StarDate: Sunday, 09 Jan 2011, 10:55 PM | Message # 2
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Seems quite reasonable so I will be voting in favor
 
LomenRyuunDate: Monday, 10 Jan 2011, 9:40 AM | Message # 3
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In favor.

Lomen Ryuun
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Ilanah_ThanatosDate: Monday, 10 Jan 2011, 4:14 PM | Message # 4
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Chandrila also votes in favor.

Ilanah R. Thanatos
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Janar_CerraDate: Monday, 10 Jan 2011, 6:45 PM | Message # 5
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Garos IV votes in favor.

Ja'nar Cerra
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Senator_CambristDate: Monday, 10 Jan 2011, 10:07 PM | Message # 6
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I also vote in favor.

 
Artemis_VandenDate: Monday, 10 Jan 2011, 10:51 PM | Message # 7
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I vote strenuously against this measure. These surplus ships should be dismantled, not "transitioned into local forces." If indeed this is an era of peace, then let us dismantle weapons of war instead of propagating them throughout the galaxy. I have spoken before, Senators, of a vicious cycle; first the Empire develops a next generation warship to combat the enemies of the Empire, then the Empire sells or "transitions" its previous generation warships to planets, or private interests, then, invariably, many of these ships come into the possession of the enemies of the Empire. Then, once more, the Empire develops a next generation of warship to combat it. This is a profitable arrangement for many people and planets, but it must end, Senators, and the way to end it is to scrap the truly obscene number of warships that were produced during the Clone Wars. If we do not, I have little doubt that in 5 or 10 years we will once again see war.

Artemis Vanden
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FabioDate: Wednesday, 12 Jan 2011, 8:33 AM | Message # 8
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Anobis approves.

Fabio Riada. King of Anobis.
 
Robert_NorthDate: Saturday, 15 Jan 2011, 11:14 AM | Message # 9
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In Favor. I'm honestly shocked that Senators Oriel or Ordan have not voted on this measure. This is a matter of the Royal agenda; do the Senators from Vjun and Anaxes, feel they know better than the Emperor?

The Honorable R.C.W. North
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Senator_OrdanDate: Sunday, 16 Jan 2011, 0:19 AM | Message # 10
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I see no evidence that this motion is in any way needed. The fleet, based at my world, hardly lacks of funds, and is able to retire ships at its own pace. I don't think it is appropriate to force a timetable upon them or dictate policy to the officers on the ground. I do not believe new legislation is in fact required in order to sell off vessels from his majesties fleet.

I formally abstain from this motion, unless the Chair will issue a definitive statement that this IS legislation the Emperor himself would specifically require the passage of, in which case I am willing to revise my decision. However, from my perspective this seems like a poorly thought out, Rimcentric motion from some out of the way world in the outer rim and the other members of the Defence Committee.

If the fleet wishes to retire these vessels and allow their sale, all well and good. But what right do we, a room full of bureaucrats have to dictate policy to the hard working and dedicated officers of the Empire? I believe we should stay out of the way of Imperial Naval policy and allow them to go their own way with regards to retiring vessels over the next few years.


Senator Hubert Ordan
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Titus_VeritasDate: Sunday, 16 Jan 2011, 11:26 AM | Message # 11
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Senator Vanden, you focus on the wrong aspect of this bill. Yes, this does indeed transition our Clone Wars era assets into the hands of the local governments, however this allows their current vessels to indeed be dismantled. With the capabilities of our Clone Wars era assets, this will lead to smaller local forces, thus less weapons and machines of war throughout the galaxy. Instead, Senator, you are voting to not only continue the cycle you spoke of, which will be broken by this legislation, but to encourage further build up of local forces and independent development which can not be moderated nor controlled by the Empire. To be blunt, you vote, Senator Vanden, will guarantee war within five to ten years.

Senator Ordan, might I point out that this is a matter of the Royal Agenda this year, which Senator North pointed out in his earlier statements. How much clearer can the Chair's stance be?


Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords

Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
 
Sate_PestageDate: Sunday, 16 Jan 2011, 3:30 PM | Message # 12
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To clarify, His Majesty's agenda for this session mentioned that "the Senate is expected to approve the sale of outdated Imperial vessels... to worlds that are interested in purchasing these vessels for defense purposes." I attended a policy working group a few months ago that brainstormed a number of ideas and submitted them to the Defense Committee, and this measure—one that, in effect, approves all sales in advance of them having been negotiated—is one possibility that was explored, along with other options, such as negotiating the sales in advance and then presenting them to the Senate en masse for its consideration and approval. Neither of these options was endorsed, mind you; these are simply options that are discussed. The bottom line, though, is that as long as it brings about the goal expressed in His Majesty's agenda, and does so in a manner that is at least cost neutral, the chair has no particular objection to it.

I would also point out, however, that the agenda also mentions that "the Senate is also expected to approve additional funding for the construction of new Star Destroyers, support vessels, and certain other, classified construction projects." I hope that, having recovered from his accident, Senator Veritas can work on this measure next, perhaps with Senator Entrente?


Sate Pestage
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Artemis_VandenDate: Sunday, 16 Jan 2011, 3:44 PM | Message # 13
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Senator Veritas, if you think that dumping a bucket of water into an ocean will dry up the ocean, you are fooling no one (including you, I hope). Water may evaporate, but it doesn't go away. It will rain down again. The ocean of war and animosity, in whose black depths it is all too easy to drown, will remain. Thanks to this measure, it will in fact be even larger and shall further encroach on all shores, and in equal measure. I remain against this legislation.

But I do not believe that I am against what His Majesty intends to do, which is to be rid of these Clone Wars era vessels. Selling or "transitioning" them is one option that I oppose. Dismantling them is another option that I do support.


Artemis Vanden
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Crin_StarDate: Monday, 17 Jan 2011, 11:30 AM | Message # 14
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Senator Veritas, a question if I may.

What of ships currently in use by the Imperial Navy that that were introduced during the Clone Wars such as the Victory-classes or the Imperator-Class ships which are currently the workhorse of the navy? I think there should be a provision which pushes an exemption from this bill for those specific classes and others like them.

 
Titus_VeritasDate: Monday, 17 Jan 2011, 1:35 PM | Message # 15
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Grand Vizier Pestage, there is a provision within this bill that states the profits from these sales will go towards the updating and expansion of the Imperial Military Forces, thus providing the additional funding in question. If the Chair wishes to see further funding, please notify my office.

Senator Star, as mentioned in the bill, the ships in question are being given at least ten years of further service, up to five additional years if deemed necessary, or even being waived from the program. As also mentioned, the Throne has ultimate judgment in the matter. To be honest, the Imperial-class (formerly Imperator) will be receiving an immediate waiver from both retirement, at least within the given time frame, and sale. All others, including the Victory series, are on the table, but being reviewed.


Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords

Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
 
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