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Independent Sector Fleet Protection Act
LordZarcaineDate: Saturday, 26 Feb 2011, 8:53 PM | Message # 1
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Independent Sector Fleet Protection Act

A Bill to guarantee Protection of Designated Sectors, by Independent Fleets under the command of Imperial Officers, to act as the security forces of said Sectors, to free up the Imperial Naval forces currently deployed on Sector Patrols.

Be it enacted by the Senate of the Empire here assembled, that in the Sectors declared as Loyal to the Empire, the Empire, by and with advice and consent of the Senate, will appoint for each Sector, an Independent Fleet, consisting of vessels volunteered by each planet of designated Sectors to act as Sector security in place of the Imperial Navy. Those Imperial Navy fleets that are relieved of Sector Security of designated Empire loyal Sectors, will be reordered to take on more pressing missions in the Outer Rim, as well as putting down Rebellions in other Sectors and Systems deemed hostile.

SECTION I : An Independent Sector Fleet will be marked with a unique symbol that will be filed in Imperial records to designate the Fleet and give all Imperial Fleets, and other Sector Fleets, knowledge of which Sector the vessels provided Security for.

SECTION II : Any Independent Sector Fleet that is found operating outside of their Sector, with out the permission of the Imperial Officers put in place to watch over the Fleet, and with out the permission of the Sector they are entering, will be immediately recalled and ordered to stand down.

First. Those officers of the Independent Sector Fleet that is recalled and ordered to stand down will be immediately court marshaled according to the laws of the Empire.

Second. Those officers of the Independent Sector Fleet that have been court marshaled will serve no less than 10 years in prison, with having served no more than 20 years.

SECTION III : All Independent Sector Fleets will give monthly reports to those Imperial Naval Officers put in command of watching over said fleet. These reports will be required to be submitted on time, at the last day of each Standard month.

First. Failure for an officer to submit said report, will be loss of Rank, and one standard week in the brig, to be served out as labor aboard the ship they are being held in the brig on.

SECTION IV : All Independent Sector Fleets are required to up hold the laws of the Empire at all times. Any failure to do so will result in immediate reprimands of all officers who have failed to up hold the laws, as well as loss of commanding rank, and possible court marshal, discharge and prevention of joining any other Independent Sector Fleet, Imperial Navy or Planetary security force.

First. Those officers court marshaled for not up holding the laws of the Empire will serve no less than 3 years and no more than 10 years in an Imperial Prison.

Second. Those officers who have served their time after court marshaled, shall be bared from joining any other Independent Sector Fleet, Imperial Navy, or Planetary Security Force.


Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
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Senator_CambristDate: Sunday, 27 Feb 2011, 10:17 PM | Message # 2
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I apologize for not responding to this measure sooner, but I felt that it deserved close study and, also, that my understanding of the measure would benefit from a consultation with Moff Caglio, of my sector. He informs me (as a matter of opinion, not of policy) that he would regret having his Imperial sector fleet replaced with an amalgamation of planetary fleets, as proposed by this measure. He has also told me that this is a view that is probably common to most Moffs, and—though I hesitate to speak for them, of course—many members of the Imperial Ruling Council as well. The expense and the execution of this measure seems to be what troubles Moff Caglio, and troubles me as well. Not to mention that Brentaal, too, would rather resent the notion that its own, sterling fleet, which tends to many important responsibilities on Brentaal, would now be responsible for defending other planets in my sector. Chandrila, for instance, is a delinquent world whose planetary fleet was taken over by the Empire (this is, of course, the Empire's right); why should Brentaal have to defend it?

While your measure is well intended, Senator Kuriyoshi, I fear it will upset a balance that is time tested, and proven. That is, planetary defense fleets are for precisely that purpose; defending planets. That, and tending to customs, interdiction, and so on, and defending that planet's people and property throughout the galaxy, too. This allows the Empire to do exactly what, I think, you intend it to do; operate its own Imperial fleets that can pursue rebels, pirates, terrorists, etc., and assist planetary defense forces on occasion. When necessary, these Imperial ships can be pooled together with regular, expeditionary Imperial fleets for the purposes that you've described, while planetary defense forces remain in place to defend themselves in the absence of those Imperial ships.

If, however, the conduct of planetary fleets is what concerns you, I would draw your attention to a measure I proposed some months ago (specifically Section 4, Articles 2 to 7) which guarantees that the Empire is able to quickly commandeer planetary ships if necessary, and imposes harsh penalties on those who do not comply. Another measure, proposed by our colleague, Senator Oriel, also ensures that planetary forces are adequately trained to be commandeered and integrated into Imperial fleets at a moment's notice, when needed. "When needed," though, is the key phrase. As long as the Empire expresses no need for additional ships—the Imperial starfleet is a mighty one, as are most Imperial sector fleets—then I feel planetary defense fleets should remain at their respective planets, to provide for their own defense. This is how it has historically been done.

I applaud your effort, but I am compelled to vote against your bill. I think you will find, though, considering the other laws I've mentioned, that this one may not be necessary.




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Johannes_OswaldtDate: Monday, 28 Feb 2011, 10:19 PM | Message # 3
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I'd like to know how much damage you expect to Eriadu's shipbuilding industry because of the EMpire having no more need for ships under this proposal. Eriadu might have the better shipyards than anyone on the OUter Rim, but its not the only world whose people depend on Imperial ship contracts. With all due respect worlds like mine supply the Empire all the ships it needs. also, there's something to this notion Cambrist mentions of a planet having to protect other planets in the sector? I don't know about the Cronese mandate but to be honest theres a lot of nothing worlds in the Seswenna sector and I don't see why Eriadu should have to protect them especially if they cant afford to return the favor. Thats charity

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LordZarcaineDate: Monday, 28 Feb 2011, 11:21 PM | Message # 4
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I can understand the hesitation of not only yourself, and Johannes Oswaldt as well as those in command. When it comes to relinquishing power, men in your position often have a difficult time handing it over and continue to contest that you are needed to keep order where you currently hold power. Yet it is vital not only for the Imperial coffers that are often strained from the spending of building vast new fleets, as well as keeping maintenance on older ships, that the planets be able to not only defend themselves, but the very sector in which they reside. Now there are problem sectors that have been mentioned and will be named. Those sectors of course are the most in need of a strong Imperial Fleet to be held in place to keep the people in line. Yet there are those worlds as well that under this act would be allowed to flourish with out the worry that a corrupt Imperial Governor will be bleeding away the funds that go into supporting a planetary fleet.

It is not a matter of a time tested and proven balance being upset, nor is it about forcing worlds to defend each other. It is about ensuring that the Imperial Navy has the ships it needs in those area's that are a proven problem, while being able to let the citizen's police their own back yards, with out the Empire needing to watch them every second of every day. I now ask you. Are you so cold that you would merely brush off those around you simply because you see them as a problem, merely for the actions of a few, whose ideals are not shared by all. Would you brush off those around you simply because you do not believe that there is any reason for you to help, merely because a planet is unable to field as many ships as yours. Does your power mean that much to you that you must prevent any independence to the people that elected you here, or are those same people so shallow and worry some about placing trust in others.

The Cronese Mandate is a Sector of over 400 planets. Those planets that are inhabited all place ships in a single Sector fleet to protect the Sector. It is not a Planetary defense fleet that will only protect a single planet. It is not a fleet that will not help a world merely because they believe that there is nothing to gain. It is a Sector fleet that was paid for, and is crewed by all the worlds of the Sector. Will you not look to that and do the same. Will you so callously push aside your neighbors because you view them as delinquent or poor. When will you do on the day when the Imperial Fleet is unable to aid you, and your planetary defenses are ruined. Will you not ask your neighbor Chandrila for help because they are "delinquents" or will you refuse to ask for help from those in the Seswenna Sector, merely because you do not wish yourself in debt to a "nothing world."

This measure is to ensure that all sectors are protected, even if there is not an Imperial Fleet stationed there. To give Independence to the worlds to allow them to help each other and open relations between the worlds of the Empire. To break down the hate and pettiness that has grown over time, by making the safety of all planets in the Sector, the duty of all the planets in a Sector, and now just allow them to sit back and leave their neighbors to fend for themselves. Should any sector ask for it, the Cronese Mandate would mobilize its fleet in aid of those Sectors near us, to ensure the safety of those people. Will you answer a call to prove that you care for your fellow Imperial citizens, or will you show the Galaxy that you care for only your problems and wish not to help those truly in need. To merely place upon your shoulders the facade of caring for the common people when you stand in this building.

By passing this Bill, we are ensuring the safety of all sectors, with out the need for the Empire to place themselves in bankruptcy to buy new ships. Are you so fixed on keeping Imperial contracts, that you would over look those worlds that this bill would bring to your doorstep with credits in hand to purchase a fleet to contribute to the protection of the Sector. That is also why the People of the Cronese Mandate have given approval of the donation of 50% of all the material harvested from the uninhabited planets of the Cronese Mandate, towards the construction of ships to those worlds who would other wise be unable to or have a difficult time in fully contributing to a Sector Fleet, should this bill pass.


Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
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Ilanah_ThanatosDate: Tuesday, 01 Mar 2011, 2:31 AM | Message # 5
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I should have expected such a comment out of you, Governor Oswaldt, regarding charity. To each there own, I suppose, if I am not too out of line to say so. As you already are aware, I feel that it is imperative that planets help others in times of need. Your proposal is very well worded and written, Senator Kuriyoshi, and Chandrilia sees no problem with it and votes in favor.

Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
 
Senator_CambristDate: Tuesday, 01 Mar 2011, 9:27 AM | Message # 6
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Senator Kuriyoshi employs the magniloquence of a man with a vested interest in this radical measure, which would, I maintain, upset a time-honored, time-tested balance of Imperial and planetary interests and, in so doing, would imperil all Imperial worlds. While I do not speak for the Senator from Eriadu, I, for one, reject Senator Kuriyoshi's depiction of me as being indifferent to the fate of the other worlds of the Bormea Sector, including Chandrila. The facts reject this depiction, too; I would remind the Senate that I recently authored a measure―which passed unanimously, with Chandrila's support―emphasizing, specifically, the importance of Imperial worlds assisting one another in times of need (Section II, Article II). But they cannot defend other worlds, or defend even themselves, if their planetary fleet has been commandeered from them and sent on errands to the distant reaches of the Sector as part of some ponderous "Sector Fleet."

While this may be appropriate for the Cronese Mandate, it is not appropriate for all planets. Certainly not for Brentaal, which has more strategic importance than all four hundred planets of the Cronese Mandate combined. Senators, Brentaal's fleet is needed on Brentaal, as your fleets are needed on your worlds. And for as long as these planetary fleets remain in place, and as long as worlds like Eriadu, Sluis Van, and Druckenwell continue to meet the Empire's demand for ships, the Empire is free to pursue our common enemies and, yes, to assist Imperial worlds too, if and when necessary (although, with all due respect, the idea that Brentaal's defenses will ever be "ruined" is a laughable one).

In closing, since the Senator mentions that the Cronese Mandate has a "Sector Fleet" similar to the one he proposes here, I am compelled to point out the obvious; the planets that comprise a Sector, such as those of the Cronese Mandate, can, if they so choose, sign treaties with one another providing for the mutual defense of one another—in other words, the formation of a "Sector Fleet," as the Senator proposes here. His proposal, however, would compel worlds to do so whether or not they choose to, and whether or not it is good or bad for a particular sector (each sector having wildly different demographics and, thus, different needs). It is also worthy of mention that everything the Senator proposes here can be done at the behest of a Sector Moff at any time he deems it necessary for his particular Sector. Once again, the point is necessity—as far as I know, the Empire has expressed no need for additional ships. Certainly not our ships.

A vote for this measure is a vote to strip innocent Imperial worlds of their defenses and leave them lying naked and helpless, at the cruel mercies of one another. That, and to place more and more demands on the time and resources of the Imperial fleet. It is simply not necessary, and it may prove disastrous. I doubt, for instance, that the so called "nothing worlds" of the Seswenna Sector that Senator Oswaldt discourteously derides would enjoy having to depend on Eriadu's support any more than Eriadu would enjoy supporting them. But that is indeed what this proposal would require.


 
Slai-FonDate: Tuesday, 01 Mar 2011, 11:17 AM | Message # 7
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I have to agree with senator cambrist, Anobis votes against.

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Janar_CerraDate: Tuesday, 01 Mar 2011, 12:35 PM | Message # 8
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I must also agree with Senator Cambrist on this matter, Garos IV votes against this act.

Ja'nar Cerra
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Exar_RayDate: Tuesday, 01 Mar 2011, 8:19 PM | Message # 9
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I must agree with Senator Cambrist and vote against this bill. There is clearly no thought to the smaller planets such as Dantooine involved in the making of this bill, and it would be a drastic insult for me to put a stamp of approval on this.

 
Tremaine_FowlkesDate: Wednesday, 02 Mar 2011, 2:42 AM | Message # 10
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I must agree with Senator Thanatos and Lord Kuriyoshi and vote in favor of the bill. I believe the purpose of this bill is, Lord Kuriyoshi may correct me if I am wrong, is to give not only more responsibility to the planetary fleets but also shows that we instill trust in them defending their own worlds. I know I would trust in my own planetary forces to do whatever it is necessary to protect my world from piracy attacks or attacks of retribution from other worlds.

Tremaine Fowlkes
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Senator_CambristDate: Wednesday, 02 Mar 2011, 11:19 AM | Message # 11
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Not if your planetary forces are taken away from you to go tend to errands elsewhere in your sector at the whims of other worlds. How will they "do what's necessary to protect [your] world from piracy attacks or attacks of retribution from other worlds" if they're not even at Telos, thanks to this proposal? Telos would have no sword, and no shield. It would depend on those other worlds that, as you just observed, would just as soon attack you as help you. Is that really what the people of Telos want?



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Bernard_OrielDate: Wednesday, 02 Mar 2011, 11:23 AM | Message # 12
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I find this to be contrary to the reforms that I have worked to hard to put in place. This motion is an attack on the safety and security of the Empire that has been placed in. I will not vote For Starism by the back door. I vote soundly against.

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Senator_OrdanDate: Wednesday, 02 Mar 2011, 11:30 AM | Message # 13
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No Starism! No Starism! I will not see this Empire weakened and destroyed by the "intellectual" scions of the disgraced and humiliated ex-senator Star. This is a bill to weaken us all, to cast the baby out with the bathwater, to take the food from the mouths of our children and to harm us all, better dead than red! I can only vote against and say I am shocked and appalled that a new senator would start his reputation with such ignominy.

I only pray this will be a lesson to him to avoid the dangerous seduction starism may have for new (but poorly schooled) Senators who simply seek attention from the chamber.


Senator Hubert Ordan
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NasirDate: Wednesday, 02 Mar 2011, 12:59 PM | Message # 14
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I am against this bill as is Abregado-San.

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Sate_PestageDate: Saturday, 05 Mar 2011, 3:46 PM | Message # 15
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I'm sorry, Senator Kuriyoshi, but it appears the Senate is not receptive to your proposal. The vote being now closed, the bill is defeated with 27% in favor and 73% opposed. I do wish you well in your other legislative endeavors, however.

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