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The Jedi Negation Act
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Tuesday, 03 May 2011, 11:49 PM | Message # 1 |
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The Jedi Negation Act
Written and Sponsored by Johannes Oswaldt (Eriadu), Co-Sponsored by Robert North (Imperial Center) 1.1. Be it enacted, this bill shall require that no school or other academic institution refer, in an informative manner, to the Jedi Order, or to the codes or teachings of the Jedi Order, or to a specific member or members of the Jedi Order in any course on history, politics, religion, or any other subject (references that are disparaging in nature are permissible, however). 1.1. (a). Any person employed by a school or other academic institution who is found to have violated Section 1, Article 1, or is found to have encouraged knowledge of the history or the beliefs of the Jedi Order in any way, shall be subject to a fine of no less than 2,500 credits or a period of detention of no less than 1 standard year. 1.2. Furthermore, no periodical or other publication shall refer, in an informative manner, to the Jedi Order, or to the codes or teachings of the Jedi Order, or to a specific member or members of the Jedi Order (again, disparaging references are permissible). 1.2. (a). Any person (editor, publisher, etc.) who is found to have violated Section 1, Article 2 will be subject to a fine of no less than 5,000 credits or a period of detention of no less than 5 standard years. 1.2. (b). References to a specific member or members of the Jedi Order in periodicals, publications, etc. are permissible if the purpose is to assist in the capture of Jedi fugitives. 1.3. No statue, monument, or memorial of any kind shall be dedicated to or named after a specific member or members of the Jedi Order. 1.4. No public building, public square, etc. shall be dedicated to or named after a specific member or members of the Jedi Order. 1.5. No ship, space station, etc. shall be named after a specific member or members of the Jedi Order. 1.6. No person, at any public event, performance, etc. shall exhibit any imagery that promotes or evokes the Jedi Order, or the codes or teachings of the Jedi Order, or a specific member or members of the Jedi Order (i.e. signs, posters, Jedi robes, etc.). No person, at any public event, performance, etc. shall encourage knowledge of the history or the beliefs of the Jedi Order in any way. 1.6. (a). Any person who is found to have violated Section 1, Article 6 shall be subject to a fine of no less than 500 credits or a period of detention of no less than 5 to 6 standard months. Repeat offenders shall be subject to a period of detention of no less than 1 standard year. 2.1. Academic institutions shall promote present the view that "the Force" is a simple, scientific phenomenon—an energy field without mystical significance, which it is possible for certain individuals to manipulate, with training, as a consequence of the number of midichlorians in their cells. The manipulation of "the Force" is to be discouraged, however, as doing so is known to upset the natural order of things and poses a danger to persons, property, etc. Under no circumstances is "the Force" to be explained or understood in religious terms, as this retards "the scientific understanding of the universe" which the Empire endeavors to promote among its people.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 04 May 2011, 1:27 AM | Message # 2 |
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| I support Governor Oswaldt's surprisingly well-conceived and -written proposal. However, before I vote I would like to suggest the following, friendly amendment. 2.1. Academic institutions shall promote the view that "the Force" is a simple, scientific phenomenon—an energy field without mystical significance, which it is possible for certain individuals to manipulate, with training, as a consequence of the number of midichlorians in their cells. The manipulation of "the Force" is to be discouraged, however, as doing so is known to upset the natural order of things and poses a danger to persons, property, etc. Under no circumstances is "the Force" to be explained or understood in religious terms, as this retards "the scientific understanding of the universe" which the Empire endeavors to promote among its people. 2.1. (a). Any person employed by an academic institution who is found to have violated Section 2, Article 1, or is found to have promoted a superstitious view of "the Force" will be subject to a fine of no less than 500 credits or imprisonment for no fewer than 6 standard months. Would these amendments be acceptable to you, Senators Oswaldt and North? I think you'll find they are quite in the spirit of your proposal.
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Thursday, 05 May 2011, 4:59 PM | Message # 3 |
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| I can see why you are banning any connections to the Jedi Order. I can see why you are banning out of politics and religion. However, I do not see why anyone should be banned from teaching about the Jedi Order in history. I can see that you are afraid the seeds of the Jedi would spread. I am sure many of us are, too. The thing is, the point of history is so we are aware of our past mistakes, and not to repeat it. We are learning from the mistakes from the Old Republic, and I am certain we are not going to repeat those mistakes. Why not the same thing for the Jedi Order? We could put them into history as the antagonists. If we educate them about the Jedi the way we wanted them to be educated. Education influences culture, religion, beliefs, etc. It is a powerful tool. If we show them why we should not bring the Jedi Order at all, then the sentient beings in this galaxy will understand and most likely will not to ignite another establishment of a Jedi Order or any other religious insurrection.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Thursday, 05 May 2011, 6:34 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Senator Fowlkes has a point, Governor Oswaldt. Your proposal is well thought out and very good, but if history is not taught, is there not a risk of it repeating itself?
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Thursday, 05 May 2011, 8:24 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I applaud Governor Oswaldt and Senators Cambrist and North for their well-conceived bill. Druckenwell votes heavily in favor.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
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Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Thursday, 05 May 2011, 8:29 PM | Message # 6 |
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| I believe Governor Oswaldt has made valid points and I choose to vote in favor on the condition that Senator Cambrist's amendment is not included in the bill. If people want to have their little superstitions and what not; I see no harm in allowing it, or to refer to the Force as something other than scientific phenomena. Instead, when users of the Force or practitioners of such begin acquiring religious status, that is where we must draw the line. For now, Sluis Van is undecided.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Thursday, 05 May 2011, 9:59 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Senator, to quote our Grand Vizier, "all religions have in common the mistaken belief that there is a power greater than the Empire." Superstitions, too, are derived from this same premise, thus I consider it desirable to discourage not only a religious view of the Force, but any superstitious view of it, too. You are ready to condemn the Jedi, and rightfully so, as charlatans and pederasts. To be sure, the Jedi were charlatans and pederasts, but I would suggest to you that they were also the inevitable result of shrouding a simple, scientific phenomenon in arbitrary codes, customs, and yes, superstitions. The Jedi were an order of follies built upon this one, central folly. If we allow it to persist, it is my fear that it will give rise to a "New Jedi Order"—one that differs in its codes and customs, perhaps, but is fundamentally the same in its belief that there is a "will" of the Force, that it can be "good" or "bad," and that of course it is this "New Jedi Order" that has a monopoly on what is "good." I would like ours to be the first generation of a thousand generations that does away with this lazy, dangerous notion—nay, this superstition. I hope you are moved by this, as I am. If you're not, I will be disappointed, but I will also be willing to change the word "promote" to "present" in Section 2, Article 1, and to omit Section 2, Article 1 (a) entirely. Thus, academic institutions can continue to present superstitious doctrines if you insist, but they must also present the scientific view of the Force. Surely this is a reasonable compromise?
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Thursday, 05 May 2011, 10:07 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Senator Cambrist, you are a reasonable man, as shown by your changes. I do not put much stock in the Force. I do believe it exists, but not as good or bad, as you said. It strikes me more as a tool like a blaster or a shovel. It is the wielder's intent that makes its use good or evil; not an inherent existing status. If your modifications stand, I vote in favor.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Friday, 06 May 2011, 4:47 PM | Message # 9 |
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| I will not vote to deny history, or to invade classrooms on Chandrila, Telos, Sluis Van, or any other world for the purpose of doing so. (Nor will I vote for these draconian prohibitions on what we can and can't write, say, and do.) The Jedi happened. No law can change this, and no law should try. Whatever your opinion of the Jedi, they are inseparable from history—25,000 years of history, from the founding of the Old Republic to the Ruusan Reformation to the Clone Wars and, yes, to the Empire. I won't vote in favor of the ignorance of our children. To understand history—and, as the Senators from Chandrila and Telos have said, to prevent it from repeating itself—it must be understood in its entirety. As for this amendment about the Force as a scientific phenomenon, I won't vote to invade classrooms, as I said, or to tell teachers how to teach especially on a subject as poorly understood as the Force. Unless the Senator from Brentaal is a paraphenomenologist, I don't see what authority he has on this subject that a teacher or professor doesn't.
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Sunday, 08 May 2011, 9:14 PM | Message # 10 |
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| There is sound argument on both sides. On the supporting side of the bill, this effectively eliminates the possibility of an instructor abusing the topic to sow dissent and violent opposition against the Empire. The opposition is also correct, in that those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it. The education system is already monitored extensively by COMPNOR, with even further reform to the monitoring system and our education system itself being done earlier this year, I am secure with believing that abuse of the subject is unlikely and will be instructed appropriately. The question that does stand, is from the opposition's standpoint. Have we learned from history? Will it repeat itself? I wish the answers were yes and no, but I fear the opposite. I am too conflicted at this time to vote on the matter, and to be honest, would like to hear the voice of my people on this issue. We are, after all, here to serve as the voice of our respective people, not as the voice of our selves. In the meantime, I would like to ask that the Chair gives its opinion on the matter.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Monday, 09 May 2011, 6:02 PM | Message # 11 |
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| It is the opinion of the chair that the arguments about "repeating history" are not warranted. If the Empire were not vigilant in its pursuit and prosecution of the remaining Jedi, there would indeed be cause for concern. But the Empire is vigilant in this endeavor, and will remain so—the chair also considers this proposal to be helpful to that endeavor, as it will dispel positive (and, as the proposal says, "informative") notions of the Jedi among the public. The fact that the bill permits negative references to Jedi beliefs and history, and to the few Jedi who remain on the loose (1.1, 1.2, and 1.2 b.), further assures, in the opinion of the chair, that the Jedi chapter of history is now closed and will not be opened again. To this end, I also support Senator Cambrist's amendment in its original or amended form, either of which are consistent with Imperial policy.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Monday, 09 May 2011, 10:24 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Following a short trip to Deralia, during which I spoke with my constituents, I and the people of Deralia vote In Favor of this legislation.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Tuesday, 10 May 2011, 7:37 PM | Message # 13 |
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| But do any of us have a complete understanding of 'The Force?' Until hard evidence is provided... and by hard evidence, I mean something from a third-party affiliate, Dantooine will remain Against such a motion.
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Tuesday, 10 May 2011, 9:20 PM | Message # 14 |
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| Quote (Exar_Ray) But do any of us have a complete understanding of 'The Force?' Until hard evidence is provided... and by hard evidence, I mean something from a third-party affiliate, Dantooine will remain Against such a motion. What....?
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Nasir | Date: Tuesday, 10 May 2011, 9:40 PM | Message # 15 |
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| Jedi... The force. Such an ugly thing. I support this bill. Anyone found supporting and or hiding a Jedi should be hung.
Emir(Governor) Nasir Baqri of Abregado San
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