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Censure of Senator Zarcaine
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 10:21 AM | Message # 16 |
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| Senator Fowlkes, I would like to point out that you admit that Representative Crion and Senator Star went too far, and yet, here you are, on this matter and others, mimicking their exact words and actions. You have the ability to be a great politician Tremaine, and you started your career with such promise and such exemplary loyalty... please, do not throw this away. Self-reflection is vital to a Senator, you must ensure that the words you speak reflect your views. If you say someone like Mical de Crion was out of line, and then turn around and accuse the Imperial military of gunning down civilians in the streets... you lack self-reflection, and your speech obviously does not inherently reflect your views. Perhaps you should spend some time thinking about what your beliefs are, because you are obviously a very confused man.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 10:53 AM | Message # 17 |
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| After all has been said and considered...
Sluis Van is in favor of censure.
Toben Domon
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 11:14 AM | Message # 18 |
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| How convenient that Senator Zarcaine happens to have a letter from some "anonymous person" on Eriadu who is not Senator Zarcaine, and how conveniently this "anonymous person" who is not Senator Zarcaine makes Senator Zarcaine's point for him. Lucius Sterne is a friend of mine.. he sent me that letter a few days ago and I brought it here to make a point. I dont walk around with letters from Senator Zarcaines people and I seriously doubt he walks around everyd ay with letters from an "anonymous person" on Eriadu who is not Senator Zarcaine. But ok, lets assume this is a real person.. if your point is theres seditious alien filth on Eriadu, I dont disagree. My point is that there are men of principle in the Cronese Mandate who dont like you saying "the people" think this and "the people" want that. you dont hear me going around saying insipid and ridiculous things like "I speak for the People of the Cronese Mandate, the people who have decided with out a doubt, to support the one that they sent to the Imperial Senate to be their voice."
ANd thank you for your kind words Senator Ordan.. Its a damn shame to see Fowlkes shamelessly attacking you for them. theres something he clearly doesnt understand.. No official of ANY government ANYWHERE is allowed to stand in the legislature and accuse the governnent of genocide. You want to do that, get out. Go scream and shout in the street like a homeless lunatic. Not in the Senate. your a government official for force sake, and no you cant stand in the Senate saying whatever crazy thing you want and alarm the public. You can stand outside the tent and piss in, you can stand inside the tent and piss out, but dont stand in the tent and piss in it too.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 6:00 PM | Message # 19 |
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| After much careful consideration, and after having listened to the arguments from other Senators, I feel that I must change my vote in favor of the Censure of Senator Kuriyoshi. Your comments, Senator, were perhaps out of line and inappropriate for this chamber. I will not tell you to go and shout in the streets like a lunatic, as some others have, but I will ask that you consider issuing a formal apology and retract your statements in regards to the Imperial Military.
Despite my change in vote, I would ask that the chair recognize a holo from Moff Darres Verilia from the Cadavine Sector. He would like to say something on behalf of Senator Kuriyoshi, as he implored to me in a message earlier today. Grand Vizier, is this acceptable?
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 6:30 PM | Message # 20 |
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| It is highly unusual for a Moff to advocate in the Senate especially without informing the chair, but yes, it is acceptable. The chair recognizes Darres Verilia, Moff of the Cadavine Sector. I also ask that he identify what his interest in this matter is, however. And why his concerns have not been expressed to me in confidence.
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| Darres_Verilia | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 6:44 PM | Message # 21 |
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| Grand Vizer, I must thank you for allowing me to speak, and I will apologize for not speaking to you in private on this matter, as I viewed my own reasons to do so would, and might be deemed as too personal to allow for my speaking. I have followed this mess as many may wish to call it, and closely read about this Censure as much as I can. Senators, many of you have your qualms and problems about what was said by Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi of the Cronese Mandate, and I understand many of your stance against what he has said. With that being said, I have come to speak on the behalf of my Nephew-in-Law. Of course Grand Vizer this is the reason as to why I did not speak to you privately on this matter.
I believe that this matter entirely has been taken out of proportion by both sides as it has come down to a matter of throwing insults against each other. In this matter I believe that we need to finish this and we can come to a conclusion and agreement. I will speak with my Nephew-in-Law about what he has said, as I can assure you all that he does not support, nor has he ever spoken of supporting an open rebellion against the Empire. This much from the many family dinners I have spent with him and my niece in the Cronese Mandate.
I will speak with my Nephew-in-Law, and I can guarantee this to you, if you drop this censure, he will under my guidance and trusting me, will produce an apology to this Senate for his words, as well as issue a retraction on his words that he has spoke in the Senate Rotunda.
- Signed Moff Verilia of the Cadavine Sector
Darres Verilia
Baron of the Empire
Moff of the Cadavine Sector (Retired)
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 6:53 PM | Message # 22 |
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| He can apologize now.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Darres_Verilia | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 7:05 PM | Message # 23 |
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| I can understand your demand that Zarcaine apologize now, yet I could say the same of you. As it has been pointed out, and even by those in my own office and under my command, many have openly voiced their opinion privately to me that they do not appreciate your chest thumping and using of their name and stating that you are protecting the Empires Military. Many of whom have lost family and friends in skirmishes and fights in the outerrim. They have voiced their disgust that a distinguished military man such as yourself would even stoop as so low as to use the dead who can not speak for themselves as a reason to further your political career.
I believe that each party should issue an apology for their words. For speaking out against the Empire, and for using the Dead as a stepping stone for further issues and to drum up support for your means.
Darres Verilia
Baron of the Empire
Moff of the Cadavine Sector (Retired)
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 7:20 PM | Message # 24 |
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| I demand to know if this Moff is insulting a Senator with the permission of the chair. I have nothing to apologize for Sir.. and Ill have you know I lost friends in the Clone War, a war that happened because of secession. So I dont appreciate the hermaphroditic letter you sent telling me to lay off your nephew or he and his Cronies Mandate will be "forced to secede". If he'd rather start a war than admit his mistakes, fine with me.. I'll volunteer. If so i dont recommend including him in your will, Verilia.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 7:28 PM | Message # 25 |
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| Order, Governor Oswaldt. Order, please. I will not have internecine sparring in this Senate. Moff Verilia, your statement is entered into the record, and your concern for your nephew noted. Thank you for your input, no further comment is required. Senator Thanatos, do you yield the floor?
Sate Pestage
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 7:34 PM | Message # 26 |
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| Of course, Grand Vizier. Thank you for listening to Moff Verilia. I appreciate your patience, understanding, and open mindedness. And of course, I thank you as well, Governor Oswaldt. You are the epitome of tolerance.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 7:49 PM | Message # 27 |
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| Of course Senator Thanatos. There is no insult I wouldnt bear for a creature as flaxen and lovely as you. But I find it inppropriate for a limp wristed Moff with an obvious conflict of interest to come here and fight his nephews battles for him. Honestly.. from the letter he sent me I seriously doubt Verilia has the fortitude or temperament to be a MOff. I ask that the chair express his strong disapproval of his conduct here. Or fire him
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 9:52 PM | Message # 28 |
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| I've spoken with the Moff, Governor, and your concern was raised. I remind you and the Senate that the motion on the floor is the censure of Senator Kuryoshi. Neither your conduct nor Moff Verilia's is at issue here, and I suggest we remain focused on the business before us.
Sate Pestage
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| LordZarcaine | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 10:47 PM | Message # 29 |
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| Retraction and Apology
After Careful thought and consideration to the conversation with council both with in the Cronese Mandate and from the Moff of the Cadavine Sector, have resulted in the final thoughts and the writing of this letter. I have realized now that my words can be read and seen as words of Rebellion, even though they were not meant to be so. In this process it has been brought to my attention though that such words could be dangerous, even if not meant in the way they were taken. Due to this fact, I Lord Kuriyoshi, being of sound mind and spirit render the following in this letter. An apology for the words spoken on the most recent issues of the actions of the Imperial military, and an immediate Retraction to all words spoken.
-Signed Lord Kuriyoshi of the Cronese Mandate
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
Lord of Chandaar
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Sunday, 05 Jun 2011, 3:06 PM | Message # 30 |
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| Senator Oriel, do you wish to amend or withdraw the motion in light of Senator Kuriyoshi's apology? And do any Senators wish to change their votes?
Sate Pestage
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