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The Protection of the Imperial Military Act
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Monday, 23 May 2011, 11:59 AM | Message # 16 |
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| The Senator from Vjun is winning no friends among the Imperial armed forces, who no doubt see him exploiting their sacrifices to advance his radical anti-Senate agenda. I'm sure the "boys in grey" have words to describe this and to describe Senator Oriel that I can't repeat here. But to be honest, friends, I take less exception to Article 5 (which condescendingly tells us what we can and can't say), than I do to the rest of the bill, especially Articles 2, 3, and 4, the purpose of which is none other than to tell us how to vote and, thus, to render the Senate into the pointless institution that the Senator believes it is, and should be. His words, not mine. Who here would vote for such a bill? Who could possibly share the Senator's sudden hostility to his own job?
I also find it an amusing coincidence that the Senators who "hate the military," according to Senator Oriel, happen to be the ones who oppose his bill. I think Senator Oriel is making my point. Vote no.
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Robert_North | Date: Monday, 23 May 2011, 4:17 PM | Message # 17 |
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| A fine piece of work, Senator. I approve.
The Honorable R.C.W. North
Senator of Imperial Center
Chairman of the Internal Activities Committee Mayor of the Galactic/Imperial City (22 BBY-18 BBY)
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Monday, 23 May 2011, 4:57 PM | Message # 18 |
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| Indeed, Senator North, a fine piece of legislation. If it weren't for the fact that it completely nullifies the existence of the Defense and Military Oversight Committees. While there is a horrifying amount of military-bashing throughout the Senate of late, the Senate exists to hear insightful and intelligent opinion in a free and open forum. When he begin closing that forum, the opinion can not be evolving and informative as it needs to be. The Senate exists to hear praise of the Empire as much as it hears criticism. It is only when someone goes over the line, such as Senator Kuriyoshi, and makes astounding and baseless accusations that the debate needs to have authority and control applied, and only for a brief moment.
While I too am horrified by the insinuations being made towards His Majesty's Imperial Military Forces, I am voting Against this legislation.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Monday, 23 May 2011, 8:07 PM | Message # 19 |
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| Is there an amendment to the act which might satisfy yourself Lord Veritas?
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Monday, 23 May 2011, 11:39 PM | Message # 20 |
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| I propose the following amended bill to Senator Oriel. I would like him to note that it is extremely unlikely that his bill will pass in its current format, and so while I am certainly making radical alterations to his legislation, I hope I am maintaining its spirit, while removing misguided attempts to constrain the Senate.
The Terrawin Protection of the Imperial Military Act
Article 1. The Imperial Military represents the will of the Empire, and is the tool of the Sovereign in all his actions. Between the Emperor (or Sovereign) there is a bond of loyalty and responsibility which has sustained the Military throughout its auspicious history. Equally there is a paternal bond between the Senate and the Miltiary. Thus I propose that in dedication to the bravery of the Imperial Military an Imperial Holiday is held once per standard year (at a time of the Emperor's choosing) in their honor and to remember those who have been lost in the service of the Empire and mankind.
Article 2. The Senate has a duty to render unto the Military such pecuniary support to the Imperial Military as it requires. Thus, this Senate shall not withhold funds from the Imperial Military unless the Imperial Military has been consulted prior to the motion in written form. The findings of the consultation would be read to the Senate by whoever presides.
Article 3. The Senate reaffirms that those who serve in the Military and their families can expect fair treatment and to be sustained and rewarded for loyal service to the Empire.
Article 4. The Senate urges all Senators to consider the environment in which they make their comments, and the honour and prestige of the institution which they represent and that their speech may be taken as fact by many citizens.
Article 5. The Senate urges all Senators to act with due decorum while addressing the chamber, and consider carefully before criticising institutions when they should more correctly criticise individuals or groups of individuals within an organisation. Thus it is not right to imply a whole world's military is responsible for the actions of a single captain. Neither is it right to condemn all aliens because a group of aliens were seccessionist in the Clone Wars.
Article 6. The Senate urges all Senators to respect the ancient rights of freedom of speech in the chamber, and consider carefully before moving to discipline Senators for comments which might be made in the heat of the moment. A Senator should always be given the opportunity to apologise for his comments before action should be taken.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 25 May 2011, 4:30 PM | Message # 21 |
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| I will not participate in the caustic criticism of Senator Oriel that has been common in this debate except to say, with all due respect to him, that I do not feel his bill should pass. And I do not support the amendment of Senator Terrawin. I do not oppose the amendment either, but as long as it appears this bill won't pass, I won't support any amendment intended to make it more palatable. I'm afraid I must agree with the concerns of the Ralltiir delegation (though I'm not in agreement with how those concerns are expressed). The Empire—including its armed forces—benefits from the diversity of opinion that results from an Imperial Senate that is empowered to make its own decisions, as it has done for the thousand generations the Cambrist family has had the honor of serving in this chamber. I vote against the bill, though I appreciate what Senator Oriel intended to do.
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 3:09 AM | Message # 22 |
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| I believe Senator Terrawin's amendment is so much more suitable for the Senate than Senator Oriel's original proposal. The amendment obviously gives the Senate some power in having a say. But before I put in a vote, I would like to hear more from other Senators before I make my move.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Sunday, 29 May 2011, 10:15 AM | Message # 23 |
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| Senator Oriel, I merely ask that the proceedings and legislative actions of the Defense Committee and Military Oversight Committee be exempt from the legislation so that they may continue to conduct their business in an unhindered and intelligently guided manner. Should that amendment be made, I could support this legislation.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Tuesday, 31 May 2011, 6:07 PM | Message # 24 |
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| I'm very disappointed in you, Senator Veritas. For a man once described as a 'moderate' to now support Senator Oriel's radical anti-Senate agenda and say "I'm fine with it as long as I get to keep my committee, the Senate be damned" calls into question whether you can ever be called a 'Lion of the Senate' again. 'Weasel of the Senate,' perhaps. I'm very disappointed, Sir, to see you announce that your one and only concern is you, and I don't think I can respect you again if you choose to support the most radical and transformative legislation this Senate has seen in your long career. Vote no, Senators. Vote no. There's no need for Senator Terrawin's amendment if the bill is voted down as it should be.
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Wednesday, 01 Jun 2011, 11:30 AM | Message # 25 |
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| Senator Veritas, can you suggest a wording?
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Saturday, 04 Jun 2011, 11:02 AM | Message # 26 |
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| I disagree too firmly with portions of this bill, Senator Oriel. Until changes are made, Sluis Van is against.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Thursday, 09 Jun 2011, 10:49 AM | Message # 27 |
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| Senator Fitzgerald is called to order for his remark to the distinguished Senator from Deralia, who is undeserving of such derision. However, Senator Veritas having had ample time to propose an amendment to the legislation, the vote is now closed and the measure defeated with 33% in favor and 67% opposed (Because of the ambiguity, I have recorded Deralia's vote as neither for or against the measure. Senator Veritas may, of course, appeal this if he wishes to do so for the record, but it will have no bearing on the final result).
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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