The Protection of the Imperial Military Act
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 9:23 PM | Message # 1 |
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| The Protection of the Imperial Military Act Preamble: It has become clear in recent debate that faith in the servants of the Empire (amongst certain Senators) is low. It seems to me that some in this chamber are forgetting their obligations to the Emperor, and to his Sword and Shield, the Imperial Military. Thus I propose this motion to reaffirm the confidence and thanks this Senate has for the loyal service the Imperial Military renders unto every Imperial Citizen, and the sacrifices – including the ultimate sacrifice – in the service of the Empire that every member of the Military makes. Article 1. The Imperial Military represents the will of the Empire, and is the tool of the Sovereign in all his actions. Between the Emperor (or Sovereign) there is a bond of loyalty and responsibility which has sustained the Military throughout its auspicious history. Thus I propose that in dedication to the bravery of the Imperial Military an Imperial Holiday is held once per standard year (at a time of the Emperor's choosing) in their honor and to remember those who have been lost in the service of the Empire and mankind. Article 2. The Senate has a duty to render unto the Military such pecuniary support to the Imperial Military as it requires. Thus, this Senate shall make no attempt to undermine the power and authority of the military by withholding funds to the Imperial Military. Thus members of this chamber (under penalty of exclusion of expulsion) and members of its appendant bodies (committees, commissions etc) shall not have the power to to debate cuts to the Military portion of the Budget, unless at the expressed wish of the Imperial Crown or the Imperial High Command. Article 3. The Senate has a duty to vote unanimously in favour of any budgetary changes proposed by the Imperial Government or Imperial Military High Command pertaining exclusively to military spending. Article 4. At no time shall debate be allowed of a motion which is intended to question the Institution of the Imperial Military or the policies and conduct of said Institution. Debate around individual actions, officers and engagements may be permitted so long as they are in respectable parliamentary language with due deference paid to the institution of the Imperial Military and the Emperor himself, whom it represents. Article 5. The Imperial Government is regarded as the font of truth in the Galaxy, thus no Senator or Representative shall describe any action of the Imperial Military as "annihilation" "carnage", "decimation", "ethnic cleansing", "mass execution", "mass murder", "massacre", "extermination", "slaughter" or "genocide" or any related evocative term unless said term or similar evocative language has been used by the Chair or Imperial Authorities (Imperial News Service, Court Ruling, Imperial Decree etc) with reference to the Action. This Article shall be administered at the discretion of the Chair. Article 6. If the Chair of the Senate feels any Senator is in breach of any of the articles in this act he may unilaterally exclude, expel or fine any Senator for his actions.
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 9:39 PM | Message # 2 |
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| With all due respect to Senator Oriel, who has a reputation as an able Senator that he seems intent on destroying, I think we've heard enough of his newfound hostility to the Senate both in practice and in principle to see that his opinions of this chamber are as radical, or more radical, than anything it has seen or heard in ten millennia. I am compelled to wonder if the people of Vjun are aware that the man they elected to the Senate has declared the Senate a pointless institution. If the Senator's agenda from this point on is to strip as much authority as possible from this body, I see no reason why any of us should take him or his agenda seriously. We all appreciate the sacrifices that Imperial forces have made for us, but I will not see those sacrifices used in this partisan manner to push a radical agenda, the goal of which is none other than the abolition of the Senate as it has been known for 10,000 years. I vote against.
Eli Fitzgerald Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 9:55 PM | Message # 3 |
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| I have not declared the Senate a pointless institution. I have declared it one which rules by the pleasure of his Majesty and exists to legislate for the Empire on a day to day basis. In what particular am I incorrect? Senator Fitzgerald is a man who is (by voting against this motion) flagrantly disrespecting the Imperial Military. You are conspicuously showing a lack of respect for those who lay down their lives every day for our our security. The Imperial Military stands between us and the Alien masses who enacted the Clone Wars, without them we would again be subjected to the tyranny of their foul mob as under the previous Republic. This freshman Senator, while insulting me considerably, and my motives (Which are well known, to preserve the security of the Empire and all who reside within it) has failed to highlight any actual problem with my motion. It may change the status quo and the balance of power somewhat, but it is for the better. It protects the military and its capacity to requisition the material it may need to secure our future. As for this being a partisan matter. I have no "party" or ideology aside from patriotic love for my Emperor and Empire. I am shocked to see a Senator of the Imperial Senate refer to Patriotism as being "partisan".
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 10:19 PM | Message # 4 |
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| The Senator seems now to be attempting to distance himself from himself. I mean no disrespect to him, but one can't "unsay" what has been said, and the fact is that mere moments ago he revealed his opinion that the power to make laws is a "favor" to the Senate that "we do not deserve." And the intent of this measure, despite its patriotic façade, is obviously to strip the Senate of its power. Yes, a façade. I can think of no more proper a word than "disgrace" to describe the manner in which the Senator from Vjun is exploiting the sacrifices of Imperial forces to advance his radical beliefs. I apologize to the Senator if I've insulted him, but I maintain that his proposal is an insult to this Senate and to us all.
Eli Fitzgerald Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 10:42 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Again Senator Fitzgerald targets his criticism on myself and not the bill at hand. The Senate exists by the will and at the pleasure of the Emperor, it is the Legislature for the Empire. The Emperor is not the Servant of the Senate, we are Servants of the Emperor. To state these facts is not diminishing in any way the significance of the Senate, it is important to legislate on a day to day basis.. But I speak only to caution the chamber from any sense of entitlement and indignation towards Imperial Rule, to remind us to be humble to our Emperor, whom we owe only thanks for the privileges by which we legislate. The Senate had its chance to govern the Galaxy, it failed, it voted democratically for this system of Imperial Sovereignty. Senator Fitzgerald are you questioning the Sovereignty of the Emperor? It is an insult to the Imperial Forces to grant them the money they need without bureaucratic wrangling? It is an insult to the Imperial Forces to grant them a public holiday in their honour? It is an insult to prevent Senators from insulting and degrading the Imperial Military with uncorroborated claims of atrocities? Is it an insult to protect the Imperial Military from perfidious attempts to downsize it against the will of its (and our) Lord and Master.
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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LordZarcaine | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 10:43 PM | Message # 6 |
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| The People of the Cronese Mandate have agreed with and support Senator Fitzgerald of Ralltiir. This act is one that would allow the very silencing of the voice of the people who look to us to make themselves heard. Not only that, yet this coming from a Senator that it would appear is trying to distance himself and his plant from their shadowy past. It is an amazing fact in itself to look at when one sees the history of Vjun, a planet that was in fact used not only by Count Dooku, the leader of the Separatist during the Clone War, yet also as a member of the Confederacy of Independent Systems. To see both the history of Vjun and now the stark far left standing of its Senator to try and hide that past when Vjun has long been a planet of turmoil sends not only mixed signals, yet also the wrong ones. It shows that the Senator the people have elected would silence their voice, if it means the absolution and erasure of Vjun's past during the Clone Wars when they stood against the Republic that now exist as the Empire. The People of the Cronese Mandate will not approve of ANY form of legislation that would silence their voice. The People of the Cronese Mandate vote against this bill and the silence that it would bring upon the people who would no longer have the freedom to speak.
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi Lord of Chandaar
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Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 11:02 PM | Message # 7 |
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| It is an insult to condescend to the Senate and its members in the guise of a bill to honor the sacrifice of Imperial forces, and to do so on in the name of the Emperor, no less. It's not a question of criticizing the bill, as far as I'm concerned—I do not dignify the bill, Sir. Because yes, it is an insult to tell us how to vote and, thus, to strip from the Senate the power of appropriation that the Emperor and his New Order reforms deemed fit to be vested in this body. As I remember (having no more right to speak for the Emperor than you), he has nothing but respect for "the will of the Senate" and the counsel it provides him, and has expressed no desire to see it altered or abolished in this radical manner. If anyone is questioning the Emperor, it appears to be you, Senator. And you are winning no friends among the Imperial forces whose sacrifices you're using to advance this anti-Senate agenda of yours. Senator Kuriyoshi, in this instance, is right.
Eli Fitzgerald Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 11:09 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I would like the chamber note that this is the same Senator Zarcaine who so abominably criticised the Imperial Military in his recent attempt at legislation. This is the same Senator Zarcaine, now attempting to insinuate that I, Senator Oriel, Veteran of the Clone Wars and Senator with the most legislation passed in this chamber am in some way untrustworthy because my planet was once visited by a Separatist... I am quite sure that there was no support found for Dooku on Vjun, which has ever been a loyal servant of the Empire. I would remind that the Tion Cluster (in which the Mandate is located) contains Raxus Prime.. And the Encyclopedia Imperialis Raxus Prime article states "Raxus Prime was the birthplace of the Confederacy of Independent Systems, and served as Count Dooku's personal fortress from 24 BBY until 22 BBY."... I would like to remind the Senator that I do not believe Senator Zarcaine to have been influenced by the Separatist ideology which was predominant in many areas of his region, I just wish to make clear to him how ridiculous to insinuate an association with an individual who once visited my world (while I was fighting in the Service of the Republic, I might add). This motion would not prevent discussion of Vjun's history, or of the history of any world (I am not sure where you got this deluded idea from) but simply constrains Senators from leveling unwarranted criticism against the Military Servants of the Empire and protects them from those who would cut the military with no regard to the common defense. It is interesting to see these two closely aligned freshmen Senators as allies against the Imperial Throne and against the Military, a disappointing reflection upon their constituents I feel. Senator Fitzgerald has not answered my question, does he question the Sovereignty of the Emperor?
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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LordZarcaine | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 11:17 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Even you Senator Oriel, the one who wrote and conceived of this bill, must realize that it is not in anyway mentioned that it is to prevent unwarranted criticism against the Military of the Empire, it is to prevent any and all criticism against the Military. To prevent the people from having a say that would best suit how the Military should be serving the public and not how the public should be serving the Military. This bill would silence the voices of the people from ever being allowed to say that they have any kind of doubt, or worry about the Military, and force them to say that all they have is pride. A bill that forces people to say not what they wish to say, is a bill that forces people from being able to speak freely, and one that oppresses the people and would not give them hope for those they trusted to speak for them. This bill does just that, it oppresses the voice of the people so that they can not be heard.
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi Lord of Chandaar
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Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 11:23 PM | Message # 10 |
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| And no, Senator Oriel, I do not question the sovereignty of the Emperor. I do note, however, that this Emperor was elected by the Senate and future Emperors will be, too. I hope this provides some perspective, as the Senate has stood for 10,000 years longer than the life of any one man.
Eli Fitzgerald Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 11:26 PM | Message # 11 |
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| This is not a bill constraining on the freedom of speech of the people of the Empire nor of the Media. It simply prevents Senators making inflammatory statements regarding the military or attacks on its budget. It is critical you realize, Senator Zarcaine, that when we speak in this chamber, it is seen as giving creedence to whatever we speak on. We do not have the right to fan the flames of some popular controversy by speaking in an inflammatory manner, or capitalizing upon some political event to seek to cut the budget to the military. When something is said in this chamber, many will take it as the truth. Hence the speech in the chamber must be regulated (at times) to prevent misinformation which could cause a destabilization of the Empire, to a reasonable extent which conflicts as little as possible with freedom of speech. It is inappropriate in the extreme that a Senator should ever attempt to make a potential crisis worse with inflammatory language critical of our military who are in all instances simply trying to help secure the Galaxy for the Empire. The Military does a tough and messy job, it needs to be protected from certain Senators who would seek to score political points at its expense of our bold boys in Grey. Are you saying they do not deserve our protection?
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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LordZarcaine | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 11:32 PM | Message # 12 |
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| It is not that I am saying they do not deserve our protection, it is that I am saying they do not deserve to have our protect forced upon them by bills such as this that would prevent them from saying otherwise. If a system wishes to be protected by the Empire, then it is their choice. A bill like this that would force people to accept and not speak up against any such actions is one that causes the seeds of of destabilization and doubt to grow, not those that would stand against such a piece of legislation that would limit the wants, needs or rights of the people to be governed themselves, or to rule over themselves in a manner that they see fit.
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi Lord of Chandaar
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 22 May 2011, 11:41 PM | Message # 13 |
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| The above statement makes little to no sense with regard to the bill. It does not effect the rights of the "people" to speak on any topic. It simply limits debate on the topic of the Military in the Senate until such a debate is approved by the Imperial Government. This is simply a motion to keep rogue senatorial tongues in check and protect our men from unwarranted criticism until matters are verified by the Imperial Government. It should be noted that the Chair has wide discretion whether to tackle Senators on possible breaches. I must urge you Senator Zarcaine and Fitzgerald, consider your position with regard to this Act, it acts to protect those who cannot answer back or debate back from criticism, it protects them from cuts which might deprive them of essentials of life. This motion is one to secure the covenant between the legislature and the military, that we will protect and aid eachother to the best of our ability. We should not even have to debate such a motion, it should be passed by popular acclaim. It is not a political motion but one to help defend the boys in Grey who certain Senators have delighted to slight!
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Monday, 23 May 2011, 2:35 AM | Message # 14 |
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| If this is simply a bill to prevent the Senators from making inflammatory statements, then this is not the Senate. For there should be freedom to speak whatever's on one's mind without any fear of retaliation. If a Senator feels that the Imperial military is making questionable methods toward the civilians, he or she should not be afraid to say so. For we are not here to speak out against the Empire, we are simply concerned for the people. We are here to ensure that the stormtroopers or the Moffs are on their best behavior, and is following the rules of engagement. If there is one that is not, it is our job to question. Isn't this what we got paid for? We got paid to make things better for the Empire.
Tremaine Fowlkes Senator of Telos IV
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Monday, 23 May 2011, 3:29 AM | Message # 15 |
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| Senator Fowlkes, you have already made it clear you have zero faith in the military of the Empire. And have stated "I am questioning the conduct of the military toward civilians", as someone who would be guilty of a breach of this regulation it is not suprising to see you being opposed to it, hardly shocking I suppose for one who has claimed with no evidence there is a lack of trust in the Military. The military is our aegis, it protects us all, Senator Fowlkes and Zarcaine need to bear this in mind, the Military cannot debate back, it is demonstrative of how shockingly weak your political platform is if you are reduced to slandering the Military with implications of mistrust and questioning the conduct of the Military. Senator Fitzgerald do you share the opinions of Senator Fowlkes? Do you question the conduct of the military towards civilians? Senator Fowlkes has also avoided reading this act, it does not prevent him criticising individual policies, moffs or units, engagements etc but prevents him from doing what he has done in other discussions, it prevents him from casting wild allegations against the Imperial Military with no evidence to support an anti-military agenda for rabble rousing reasons. We already have rules for the chamber, one cannot curse in the chamber for example. Why should we allow the slandering of the Imperial Military in open Senate in the manner done by Senators Fowlkes and Zarcaine? I am shocked and horrified by their insinuations towards the Imperial Military.
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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