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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Tuesday, 05 Jul 2011, 1:34 PM | Message # 1 |
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| The Ancient World of Alsakan demands to know the reasons behind the reprehensible and frankly unwarranted and uninvited military deployment to Monor II, (a world which is a member of the Galactic Empire) by the forces of the Druckenwell navy.
There has been no conflict in the past, no discussion of grievances, no attempt at peaceful resolution, no diplomatic contact at all apparently...
To Druckenwell then, why this unprovoked attack on a fellow member of the Empire?
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Slai-Fon | Date: Tuesday, 05 Jul 2011, 9:33 PM | Message # 2 |
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| I for one would like to know why as well.
Slai-Fon Youngblood, Senator of Anobis, and the Bright Jewel sector
Chairman of ISEC (Imperial Senate Ethic's Committee.)
Chairman & CEO of K/Y deep.
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Wednesday, 06 Jul 2011, 5:54 AM | Message # 3 |
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| Senator-elect Terrawin and Senator Youngblood, I would hardly call this an attack. There have been no shots fired, no people abducted, no assets or cities or even the barest village attacked. Druckenwell has not even deployed ground troops. As such, I'd ask you to temper the terms you use before widespread panic erupts and then I need to calm people and assure them that Druckenwell is not a warlike planet.
Now, Monor II is indeed a world of the Galactic Empire, and of course, Druckenwell salutes all member worlds as such for their loyalty. However, Monor II is a highly religious world, led by 'priest-princes.' In the very title of the highest position, we see a combined royalty and religion.
Indeed, there has been no conflict in the past, which in turn, has meant no needed discussion of grievances. However, after consulting with the Imperial liaison for Monor II and after pouring over numerous graphs, charts and productivity schedules, it appears that over the last several years and especially noticeable in the last nine months, Monor II's productivity and contributions to the Empire have greatly fallen off. It is, gentlemen, a rather large problem and the priest-prince rulers are doing nothing about it.
Now, Druckenwell has sent vessels as more of a show than anything. It is a simple blockade until the ruling government increases productivity of their people. It was not instigated without at least consulting the proper authorities first. As such, Senators, I do not see a problem.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Wednesday, 06 Jul 2011, 6:02 AM | Message # 4 |
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| Alsakan stands by the people of Monor II and will press for the strongest possible sanctions against Druckenwell for it's unilateral blockade with no prior attempt at diplomacy. While the system on Monor II may be inefficient it is not your place Senator Ryuun to attempt to make them more passive.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Wednesday, 06 Jul 2011, 6:44 AM | Message # 5 |
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| Hardly passive, Senator Terrawin. Hardly making them passive. If a blockade prevents possible arms shipments and illegal weapons from being shipped on-planet, is that a wrong cause? We have not halted any ships or freighters bearing foods, normal trade goods or any other staples. Sky Marshal Rolf has assured me that no Druckenwell soldier has even set foot on any craft coming or going from Monor II. Scanning vessels that come to the planet? That's another story entirely. The last I saw, Senator, it was not illegal to conduct scans on any level.
This is a passive blockade, Senator, do not make the mistake of calling it anything but. A world with conditions such as they are on Monor II is ripe for problems. Let me put it to you as such: Monor II has no productive facilities. They do not build weapons, vessels or even ground vehicles for the Imperial military. Monor II produces micro-crystals called cirrifog. The Empire has mining operations on the world, Senator; mining operations whose quotas have dropped quite far and word from the liaison is that their current ruler, Agapos the Ninth, may be objecting to the current Imperial mining. Nonetheless, they import large numbers of mid to high-level technology. There have been reports from the planet's Imperial administrator that illegal arms sales have been on the rise. Tell me, Senator, am I wrong in my actions?
Monor II is a valuable member of the Empire, and we cannot afford sedition or rebellion. If it were to go so far, Druckenwell and other surrounding planets could be compromised as well.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Wednesday, 06 Jul 2011, 6:58 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Yes Senator Ryuun. You are very wrong, to pursue military action (no matter how passive) is unacceptable without attempting recourse through other means. Whatever e rights and wrongs of this situation we will attempt to pursue recourse not because the intention was wrong, but the method.
If you see a criminal in the streets you do not hack him to death. We live in a society of laws and conventions, all of these have been consistently and flagrantly ignored by your unprovoked "passive" blockade. As Druckenwell has expressed worries for it's security, and believes it's actions are legitimate...
How would Druckenwell feel if Alsakan were to move military assets into it's system to prevent "illegal arms sales" "rebellion" etc? After all these is no law agains scanning eh? You would not feel at all threatened by the massive amount of destructive firepower in your orbit I am sure... Not at all intimidated?
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Wednesday, 06 Jul 2011, 7:11 AM | Message # 7 |
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| No, Senator Terrawin, we do not hack criminals to death. We attempt to apprehend them. Failing that and should they use armed force, we escalate in turn. Of course, if you'd rather we lift the blockade, that could be arranged as well. Inter-system security is much preferable to a blockade, wouldn't you agree, Senator?
And if Alsakan were to bring its military might to Druckenwell... no, I can't say as I'd feel overly intimidated. I can't say as I'd feel threatened either. Perhaps Druckenwell Arms Corporation could outfit a few of your vessels for you? Perhaps produce something to add a bit of threat to your fleet? No matter. I see the point you make, Senator, but I do not believe that a harmful course of action has been taken here.
Druckenwell is willing to adjust certain aspects though, to make it, shall I say, more pleasing to certain sensibilities.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Wednesday, 06 Jul 2011, 2:56 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Tell me Senator... a 'passive' blockade? Please enlighten me to this term. Because the way I understand, blockades involves multiple scannings of vessels and even the option of denying ships entry to the planet. It would seem as if you intend to damage this planet more instead of thinking of other options.
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Wednesday, 06 Jul 2011, 4:20 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Senator Ray, I would consider a passive blockade such as mine to allow the full access of any vessels save those carrying illegal weapons. If a vessel is scanned and found to be carrying items that do not check against its manifest; specifically weapons that are unauthorized or the like, we would certainly deny them entry. We are not about to instigate searching of vessels against their will, however.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Wednesday, 06 Jul 2011, 8:42 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Druckenwell has a responsibility for customs enforcement on Druckenwell and nowhere else. I am in agreement with Senator Terrawin on this issue and I'm surprised that the Empire let this happen. The reasons Senator Ryuun has given us for this so called "passive blockade" of Monor II are problematic—that Monor II is a theocracy and that it's not economically productive enough (in Senator Ryuun's opinion). That Monor II is or isn't a theocracy has no impact on Druckenwell whatsoever, and a planet using force on another simply because it isn't as productive is a precedent that would permit Alsakan and other prosperous worlds to use force on Druckenwell, too (and would permit Druckenwell to use force on untold thousands of worlds). Senator Terrawin has noted this already, and I think it illustrates the unsound reasoning behind this unjust and unacceptable use of force on Monor II.
And Senator Ryuun, please. Don't say this isn't a use of force. There's no such thing as a "passive blockade" as long as Druckenwell is interdicting ships above a planet that's not Druckenwell (and if this isn't what you're doing there, what are you doing there?). This sort of drastic show of force should be the result of a failure of diplomacy—not no diplomacy. I can't help but suspect that this is intended not to bolster the productivity of Monor II or free its people from the theocratic wiles of its priest/princes, but rather to advance Druckenwell's astropolitical interests.
Ralltiir will support Senator Terrawin in whatever recourse he pursues against this.
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Thursday, 07 Jul 2011, 6:28 AM | Message # 11 |
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| I am curious as well as to the reasons behind this blockade, which appear thin at the moment. I tend to lean towards agreement with Senator Fitzgerald, but I cannot argue with the fact that Senator Ryuun had indeed consulted with the highest authority here. I would hear more before I would call for sterner action.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Thursday, 07 Jul 2011, 6:43 AM | Message # 12 |
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| Let me restate a few points, Senator Fitzgerald, as it appears I did not make myself quite clear, for which I do thank you for pointing out.
Yes, Monor II is a theocracy. While the Empire does recognize religion and the like in its own forms, let us not forget that the quasi-dogmatic religion of the Jedi plagued us for many years. As such, I am wary of any world run by a religious caste, sect or group. The possibilities for rebellion, sedition or even harboring of other religious refugees is an issue that I believe should not be overlooked. That, however, is a minor point.
You state that in my opinion, Monor II is not productive enough. Senator, I have hear the paperwork from Monor II's Imperial liaison stating that their productivity levels are well below the projected norm. Low enough, I might add, that I am sure once the bureaucratic paperwork went through that the Empire would have handled it without Druckenwell's intervention at all. Had this been a simple case of productivity, we would have left well enough alone.
However, the following points necessitated Druckenwell's involvement: Priest-Prince Agapos the Ninth's blatant and outright objections to Imperial mining and a rise in black-market arms and weapons; a rise of enough to raise a few eyebrows, I might add. Black market imports have a way of drawing unsavory characters, gentlebeings. Slavers, pirates, raiders. How long until Monor II is beset by them? Monor II does not even have a defensive picket line! Oh, a few TIE fighters, to be sure, but not a solid, blocking line between them and any harm!
Now you call Druckenwell's actions 'interdiction'? If I recall my schooling correctly, Senator, interdicting is 'to destroy, damage, or cut off by firepower to stop or hamper an enemy.' I quote from the Galactic Dictionary, of course. There is no use of firepower, Senator. Simple... scanning. We have held no ships, we have barred no landings and we have not blocked, halted or otherwise molested any vessels attempting to land or leave Monor II. Once this is understood, you might well change your tone to calling us a preventative force in the system.
Yes, Druckenwell wants to aid Monor II in safety and increasing its productivity. We will certainly trade with them and as Monor II grows, Druckenwell will grow with her. If you call this furthering our astropolitical interests, I can hardly deny it. Nonetheless, the cause of greater good rules out.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Thursday, 07 Jul 2011, 8:39 AM | Message # 13 |
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| That is the problem. You say the cause of greater good rules out. The problem with that is, we all have different perspectives on what the greater good really is. What you viewed as greater good is probably perceived as an evil to the people of Monor II. They may be feeling that they are being blockaded just because of their religion. They may feel discriminated and feel the need to fight back.
You want to talk about productivity? Productivity levels are well below the norm, and the natives of Monor II are objecting to the Imperial Mining. I have reasons to believe the two are connected. Perhaps you misunderstood why people of Monor II are getting frustrated. Then there is this "passive blockade" being put in orbit. This severly restricts their ability to constantly get basic supplies needed for the general population. I do believe that this blockade should not have happened. But since it already has, the negotiating table is going to be sticky.
However, I believe in order to resolve this crisis, negotiation is the best way. But before we go do that, I request that we send a commission to investigate the reasons behind Monor II's "malicious" actions. After we do that, we talk it over with their planetary government to discuss the best way to deal with this.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Thursday, 07 Jul 2011, 1:10 PM | Message # 14 |
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| Could any of the opposition please explain to me how horrible naval customs checkpoint is? Because that's all Druckenwell has done here, and they are yet to halt or board any vessel thus far at Monor II.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Thursday, 07 Jul 2011, 5:57 PM | Message # 15 |
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| So you'd be fine with Druckenwell imposing such a "checkpoint" over Deralia tomorrow without consulting you, Senator Veritas? You wouldn't see it as an insult to Deralia's integrity as a sovereign world? I would remind you that the definition of "sovereignty" includes 1.) inviolable borders, 2.) territorial integrity, and 3.) a monopoly on the use of force in that territory. Druckenwell is violating all of these things at Monor II. And Senator Ryuun, you've told us a lot of things you're not doing at Monor II. What is the purpose of this whole endeavor then if it won't have any impact whatsoever on any of the things you cited as reasons for it in the first place? What purpose, that is, other than simply to make a show of force against a neighboring world that has not offended Druckenwell in any sense?
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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