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Censure of Senator Cerra
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 11:16 AM | Message # 16 |
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| I implore you to reconsider your position.
Other Senators have brought up that you meant no malice and had no true intent of tossing Senator Ordan into a Sarlacc pit, which as far as the latter is concerned I wholeheartedly agree with.
Are you refusing to apologize on principle alone? It costs you nothing to apologize. Even if Senator Ordan were to insinuate on the holo net that I was of less than wholesome morals - it would not be becoming of me as a Senator or a Lady to respond in kind. If you cannot bring yourself to apologize, at least ask that your words be stricken from the record. This is the Imperial Senate, not a school yard.
Calling for the chair or an unnamed particular Senator marginalizes everyone else in this room and is almost cause for offense, Queen Cerra. I would consider it a personal favor to be repaid in kind, if you reconsidered your position and recanted your words.
Lady Avadrie volFyr
Senator of Empress Teta
Defense Committee Member
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 5:21 PM | Message # 17 |
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| Senator, saying something unkind just because 'he did it first' is hardly proper decorum, not only in this chamber, but from a lady of standing. As Senator volFyr kindly asked, please reconsider to recant and offer an apology. It would do you no harm to do so and would only help in such a particular situation.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 5:58 PM | Message # 18 |
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| I disagree. I don't think it's appropriate to hold Senator Cerra to the same standard in this particular instance as Senator Ordan, with his litany of insults to Senator Cerra in the past. For her to apologize simply because he did is false equivalence; the context matters, and the context is that Senator Cerra has been taunted and jibed repeatedly. Senator Cerra's comments were inappropriate, yes. And they should be clarified, yes. But I won't say the comments were uncalled for or require an apology.
Senator Cerra has already clarified her comments. Clearly she's not going to toss Senator Ordan into a, what is it, a 'sarlacc' pit?. And as she's explained, she doesn't advocate an assault on the Hapes Consortium. Even if she did, however, the statements of Senators aren't regarded as Imperial policy. It's the vote of the Senate that matters, and this it's hyperbolic to say that one Senator's opinion is going to alarm the Hapes Consortium any more than we assume Kso Da'shune represents the policies of the Consortium itself.
I vote against.
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 8:15 PM | Message # 19 |
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| With perhaps one exception, the chair fails to see the allegedly offensive nature of Senator Ordan's remarks, mentioned here. But it is, of course, the opinion of the chair that proper decorum be observed in the Senate at all times and that members refrain from insults to one another, and that when such insults are made either a retraction or an apology shall be made, as deemed appropriate, if the offending member wishes to avoid censure or other disciplinary action. Senator Cerra's remark was certainly unparliamentary, and whether an apology or retraction be demanded of her I will leave to the Senate's discretion and, in particular, to the author of the motion.
And Senator Fitzgerald, you are called to order. I will not tolerate insinuations about His Majesty intended to slander him in all but fact. You are warned, Sir.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Slai-Fon | Date: Monday, 05 Sep 2011, 9:44 AM | Message # 20 |
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| Senator Cerra, A "friend" of yours does not wish to see anything bad happen to you, but he cannot tell you what to do. Also he apologizes for what's happened and promises to make up for it.
Slai-Fon Youngblood, Senator of Anobis, and the Bright Jewel sector
Chairman of ISEC (Imperial Senate Ethic's Committee.)
Chairman & CEO of K/Y deep.
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Monday, 05 Sep 2011, 9:47 AM | Message # 21 |
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| The chair requires an immediate explanation of this cryptic remark that has been made into the Senate record.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Slai-Fon | Date: Monday, 05 Sep 2011, 10:12 AM | Message # 22 |
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| Prince Fabio, Sate. He's heard rumors of a censure against Senator Cerra. He does not wish for anything bad to happen to her. As for the make up part, he had to cut their little trip around Imperial Center short due to bad news. I apologize for the secrecy. Won't happen again.
Slai-Fon Youngblood, Senator of Anobis, and the Bright Jewel sector
Chairman of ISEC (Imperial Senate Ethic's Committee.)
Chairman & CEO of K/Y deep.
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Monday, 05 Sep 2011, 10:16 AM | Message # 23 |
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| Very well. But you are cautioned that in the future I will be addressed as the Grand Vizier or as Your Excellency. Proper decorum, Senators. Carry on.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Slai-Fon | Date: Tuesday, 13 Sep 2011, 1:42 PM | Message # 24 |
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| It has been almost ten days, and no response from Senator Cerra, I offer you one more day to respond to this with your words, or whatever it is you may want to say, Senator. Before the Ethic's committee votes on this issue.
Slai-Fon Youngblood, Senator of Anobis, and the Bright Jewel sector
Chairman of ISEC (Imperial Senate Ethic's Committee.)
Chairman & CEO of K/Y deep.
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Wednesday, 14 Sep 2011, 9:19 PM | Message # 25 |
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| I hardly think this merits the attention of our august Ethics Committee, the pride of the Senate. This censure motion is a frivolous one, as the refusal of the chair to endorse it demonstrates. It is motivated by Senator Ordan's proven animosity for Senator Cerra—if not her entire gender—and nothing else. I agree with Senator Fitzgerald, that no one upon consideration of Senator Ordan's history of demeaning remarks to Senator Cerra should demand an apology from her for one inartful retort. I vote against, and I hope Senator Youngblood will exercise his good judgment and decline to bring this motion before his vindictive Ethics Committee, whose members include the very author of the motion.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Sunday, 18 Sep 2011, 5:36 AM | Message # 26 |
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| I am shocked at the obstinacy of Senator Cerra. I can only vote in favour of her censure after she has had repeated chances to be a bigger person and just apologize as Senator Ordan has done.
We are not schoolgirls, Senator Cerra, but adults. However, if you will not join the rest of us in acting like adults then I can only vote in favour of you being censured.
Come now, I offer you the chance again, be reasonable and simply apologize for the comments you made and we need hear no more of this. You said you would apologise if the Chair found against you, he did "Senator Cerra's remark was certainly unparliamentary", would it not be best to just apologize in good spirit?
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Monday, 19 Sep 2011, 0:10 AM | Message # 27 |
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| Senator Cerra, I sincerly care about you. Lately you have not been yourself. Yes, Senator Ordan can say things that some would find offensive, but he is brought to order easily, and it typically ceases once he is pointed in the right direction. He does not go as far as to openly threaten another delegate, which is unacceptable, despite whether or not it would actually be plausible. I could say, for example, that I am going to pummel another Senator until they see straight on an issue. In my age, it is unlikely I would be able to carry out such a threat, let alone on a matter of respect and dignity. It is, however, still, inappropriate for me to do so on the floor of the Senate, despite the fact that said threat is unlikely to become action. With that said however, I await to see if Senator Cerra will apologize for her comments, before I vote on this motion.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
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Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Thursday, 22 Sep 2011, 12:46 PM | Message # 28 |
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| I'm sorry but unlike others within these chambers I do not apologize unless I truly mean it. I would be lying to the whole galaxy if I said I was sorry for what I said. I am not sorry. I am sorry, however, that it has blown up like this because other senators feel threatened by me in some way.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Friday, 23 Sep 2011, 12:57 PM | Message # 29 |
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| While we do understand that words does not carry as much echoes as actions does in accordance to laws, there is still the matter of slander. Senator Ordan said a lot of offensive remarks, and we did not take that into account. There is no reason we shouldn't do the same with Senator Cerra here. Senator Ordan also apologized for his offensive remarks as a gesture of goodwill, but that doesn't mean he won't do it again. In fact, there is no guarantee any of us won't be doing this in the future.
But I also believe Senator Cerra's intentions are well, that she's not apologizing for standing up what she believes in. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that in her mind, issuing out an apology is an empty gesture. Perhaps she shouldn't apologize for what she had spoken. Perhaps it would be easier for the lady to apologize for how she had spoken?
I urge Censure of Senator Cerra be repealed, I believe this is nothing more than a debate for a conflicting beliefs that went extreme.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Friday, 23 Sep 2011, 9:14 PM | Message # 30 |
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| A request of simple apology has been made, in regards to Senator Cerra's unparliamentary remarks, which despite interpretation of intent, border upon threats against Senator Ordan. There is a difference between saying "I don't like you" and "I really want to punch you in the face". We are Senators, not children at the playground, and while I do not agree with Senator Ordan's views, there is a valid point in that Senator Cerra's remarks were unacceptable. Being stubborn to make a martyrical point, will not help the situation. Again, my fellow delegates, this is the Imperial Senate, not the school playground. Just because you can say things, doesn't mean you should.
Now, it is with great regret, but I must vote In Favor of this censure against Senator Cerra.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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