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Censure of Senator Cerra
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 7:34 AM | Message # 1 |
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| For conduct which is likely to prejudice the outcome of any diplomatic contact with the Hapes Consortium.
"Why let them know this bothers you so much, allow them to become compliciant once more and then strike. The element of surprise is always best and if you are throwing a huge fit about everything and putting sanctions they will only gain more power knowing that another attack is looming." - What better way to put the Hapes Consortium at their ease but by suggesting in open chamber a preemptive "surprise" attack.
For unparliamentary language.
"What we ought to do is throw you into a sarlac pit." - A rude comment which could be considered a threat to my person for simply attempting to prevent Imperial resources slipping into Hapan hands.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 7:37 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Any comment or apology Senator Cerra?
Verence Terrawin
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 7:45 AM | Message # 3 |
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| Ordan, are you really afraid of Senator Cerra tossing you into a sarlacc pit or are you just being difficult? You are no stranger to rude comments, allow her a single moment of venting and let us move on. This is ridiculous. And, as I mentioned, Senator Cerra may well have stated her first comment based on a misunderstanding of yours. I see no need for censure.
Lomen Ryuun
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 7:53 AM | Message # 4 |
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| Yes, misjudged, Yes, unparliamentary.
I will vote in favour unless there is an apology given, even if in the heat of passion a Senator should remember the dignity of this chamber and consider that their words will be heard by billions of ears all over the Galaxy.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 7:58 AM | Message # 5 |
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| Ordan if anyone here should be censured it is yourself. You have constantly made inappropriate remarks to me throughout our time here, many of them have been unprovoked unless you count disagreeing with you as provocation.
Here are just a few of the times, one just as recent as today infact.
Or were you busy suckling off your mother's nipple? Or perhaps sipping the first of many Corellian ales with a death stick in hand? - Sanctions on the Hapan Cluster
If the little ladies wouldnt mind just piping down, theres good girls. - When speaking to the former senator of Volus and myself on the Refusal of Service to Senators Motion
I'm quite sure these NhM senators should really cool their jets and go and purchase some pretty trinkets, instead of playing the role of token lipstick feminists in this chamber. - When speaking to the former senator of Volus and myself on the Refusal of Service to Senators Motion
I certainly would not put it past our most famously.. bacchant senator.– Criminalizing Abortion Bill.
These are only a few examples of Senator Ordan making provocative comments towards myself. There are more. And he has been warned more than once to stop by the Chair yet he seems to continue it.
As for Senator Ryuun’s comment, pre haps he does fear that I would be able to throw him into a sarlac pit one day. It only makes sense since he is making such a big deal about it.
With all of this being said, of course I am going to vote against my own censureship!
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
Message edited by Janar_Cerra - Sunday, 18 Sep 2011, 12:23 PM |
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 8:04 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Your argument then Senator Cerra is "Hubert did it first?"
While Senator Ordan's comments could be considered to be offensive, they are not directly threatening to yourself.
It should also be noted his comments were not directly threatening Imperial Foreign relations with another power.
In the absence of an apology I must vote in favour of this censure.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 8:09 AM | Message # 7 |
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| If senator feels threatened by me I am not going to apologize for that. I am sure that many others in this chamber would die of laughter that the senator is afraid I may make good on that threat.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 8:11 AM | Message # 8 |
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| Unlike Senator Cerra, I will be the bigger man and apologize if I made any comment which the Chamber considers to be untruthful or prejudicial to the dignity of the Chamber.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 8:20 AM | Message # 9 |
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| I do not believe Senator Cerra mean any malice toward the Imperial Senate. Senator Ordan has been far more...mild-mannered than she had been, and yet we haven't proposed a Censure of Senator Ordan. There is no reason to do so, if all we are doing is slapping a Censure simply because of comments a certain Senator does not like. Telos IV votes against.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 8:30 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Come now, let us be reasonable. Ordan did the right thing and apologised to the Chamber, let Senator Cerra be reasonable and return the good manners so we might turn to more importantq business.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 8:40 AM | Message # 11 |
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| Why? His apologizes were empty. The next opportunity he had to slander me or make a rude and crude comment he would take it. I am not going to put on a dog and pony show. If I apologize it will be empty and fake like all the apologizes he has given to myself and others. If he had truly been sorry any of those times he had taken those jabs at me or others, he would not have done it again. But he has shown time and time again he was not truly sorry for saying the words he spoke because he continuously does it. As Senator Fowlkes brought up, there had been multiple times a number of people could have brought a motion up against Ordan like this one because he said something that someone did not like. But luckily most of the other senators are not as petty as Senator Ordan is.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 9:50 AM | Message # 12 |
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| As a woman, a noblewoman, a Senator and most importantly a lady I am not offended by the comments listed by Senator Starr in regards to Senator Ordan. I am only stating this because I feel it is important to highlight that I do not feel as if his comments were directed towards an entire gender, indeed as Senator Starr demonstrated in her own remarks they were referred to individual people. Senator Ordan has apologized - we can't mandate someone's sincerity, or really know if they're sincere - I don't think anyone here can read minds. He has also apologized in public, in the Senate floor!
Empress Teta must vote in favor of this censure if there is no apology to be forthcoming. Politics can be a heated business, and it is understandable to say things we might not mean when we're caught up in the passion of it all - especially those of the fairer sex, but apologies must also come afterwards.
Lady Avadrie volFyr
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 10:30 AM | Message # 13 |
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| He has apologized then did the same thing the next day. Would you tolerate that from a child? No. Yet we are all forced to tolerate him over and over again. Why? He is intolerant of everyone who does not agree with him or wishes to speak their minds. I am over Senator Ordan and others like him. Also, I am not Senator Starr as you so referred to me as, but Ja'nar Cerra, Queen and Senator of Garos IV.
Ja'nar Cerra
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 10:50 AM | Message # 14 |
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| My apologies Queen Cerra, I was reviewing the records you brought up in your arguments and I must humbly apologize for my slip of the tongue. Please forgive me.
No, I don't think I'd tolerate such behavior in a child, but I also find it ironic that you'd bring such a feminine sway to the argument - a motherly one to be honest. Senator Ordan is not your child nor mine, and such we shouldn't treat him as such. He has made an apology now as he has made them in the past and until either the Emperor or Anaxes thinks we should no longer tolerate the behavior you describe, we must.
I implore you to simply apologize and avoid the trouble that a censure would cause for your world - you are both Senator and Queen of your world and I would hate for the voice of your planet to be minimized in any way shape or form for any amount of time. Because of your position - and yes because of our shared gender, we are role models - what Senator Ordan has said is just words - as are what you have said unless you truly mean to take him to Tatooine and throw him into a Sarlacc pit which I sincerely doubt. Please recant them.
Lady Avadrie volFyr
Senator of Empress Teta
Defense Committee Member
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Sunday, 04 Sep 2011, 11:06 AM | Message # 15 |
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| I refuse to apologize unless the Chair or a certain other senator demands it.
Ja'nar Cerra
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Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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