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Ousting Senator Veritas from the Defense Committee
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Saturday, 19 Nov 2011, 12:44 PM | Message # 16 |
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| Senator Thanatos, Senator Domon, are you not appreciating that Senator Veritas has lied to you and to us all about Deralia's escapade at Dantooine? The documents clearly show that he's been telling you one thing and planning another, and planning it for quite some time—even before the terrorist incident he's now using to excuse his colonialist ambitions. Has Senator Veritas and his government no shame at all? I haven't seen the Senator produce any evidence of terrorists on Dantooine or even, as Senator Cambrist put it, "reason to believe" there are terrorists or terrorist infrastructure on Dantooine. And now we know that Senator Veritas has not once asked Dantooine's government to look into it, despite even the Grand Vizier suggesting he do so.
Instead, Senator Veritas has simply proclaimed there are terrorists on Dantooine, with no evidence, and that Dantooine isn't able to do anything about them. I'll concede the second point is probably true, because there's only so much one can do to combat fictional terrorists. But Senator Thanatos, Senator Domon, can you not see that Senator Veritas is even now depending on your kindness to help him stall for time? Senators, a deadline is looming. Senator Veritas should answer for himself and his government now instead of lying to the Senate and then wasting its time so that, for all we know, he can send even more ships to Dantooine.
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Saturday, 19 Nov 2011, 1:12 PM | Message # 17 |
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| I realize what Senator Veritas is doing, Senator Fitzgerald, and Sluis Van will send aid in kind when the time for grace is up; a time which is rapidly ending. Senator Veritas has committed some grievous wrongs to Dantooine. Assumption of terrorists is hardly cause to declare a world as a protectorate of another, especially without solid proof. I am simply giving Senator Veritas the chance to remove his vessel within the allotted time by Senator Ray before I act.
Toben Domon
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Saturday, 19 Nov 2011, 7:40 PM | Message # 18 |
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| I have nothing to add to this discussion that hasn't been said already, except that when Deralia declared itself the "big brother" to the Outer Rim it apparently meant the sort of brother who pushes you around and steals your allowance.
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Saturday, 19 Nov 2011, 8:31 PM | Message # 19 |
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| If Senator Veritas sends more ships to Dantooine, he will do it regardless of whether or not he is the chair of the Defense Committee, Senator Fitzgerald. Or do you see it as one and the same? Senator Domon is right. A committee needs to investigate his actions. And for now, he and Senator Ray need to deal with this matter. And you are just fanning the flames further.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Saturday, 19 Nov 2011, 10:36 PM | Message # 20 |
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| To be clear, I do agree with Senator Thanatos and Senator Domon that there should be an investigation into this; though it seems there's not much to investigate and we can all surmise what the conclusion of this investigation would be, there's no harm in due process. Or even undue process as long as it doesn't impede the resolution of this Dantooine crisis (one way or another). And while I feel, also, that these Senators have indeed been a bit too charitable to Senator Veritas, I personally didn't mean to be as uncharitable to him as I may have seemed a moment ago. Rather, I simply can't resist a quip.
But while I'm adopting a more serious tone, I might as well make a point in the Senator's defense; namely, those who have opposed him the loudest might be reading too much into the documents in which Senator Veritas writes about special operations and "full dominance" of Dantooine, etc. Just because he's written these things doesn't mean that Deralia intends to do them. Indeed, when requesting the consent of the Empire to the use of force, it's sensible to embellish the request with contingencies—not because you intend to conduct special operations or to "dominate" the planet, necessarily, but because the use of force is unpredictable and all contingencies should be planned for.
However, I said the Senator's opponents might be reading too much into those documents. Or not, depending on whether Deralia intends to do all the things Senator Veritas described. I hope Senator Veritas clarifies this for us. If he doesn't, time surely will.
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Tuesday, 22 Nov 2011, 0:21 AM | Message # 21 |
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| Firstly, I would like to take this time to address the accusation that I used my position as Chairman of the Defense Committe in any way in regards to Dantooine, or that I stand to make any gain from the success of a military campaign on Dantooine. It is quite simply, false, to insinuate such. Nor have I lied to the Senate in any way, shape, or form. I ask that Senator Ray either cease accusations of such, or he will see me in the court room for his acts of slander.
Any special knowledge which I may have in regards to Dantooine from my workings as Defense Chair has not, and will not, be passed along to my government in any way, shape, or form. ISB can back up this statement... any test can support this statement. Prove I have done otherwise, and I will step down. Otherwise, again, I ask that you cease accusations of such abuse, or you will find yourself in the courtroom and I will ensure censure, if not suspension, will face you within these chambers.
As far as this incident is concerned, the ship in question, a Venator-class Star Destroyer of the Royal Deralian Navy, has indeed left the Dantooine system and is returning to Deralia. Unfortunately, it was of the opinion of our intelligence community that Dantooine's government had been infiltrated by members of these terrorist groups. After further examination of the government of Dantooine, it has come to our attention the security of Senator Ray's position as head of state has, and the absolute power he wields. With that in mind, we are seeking an intelligence gathering-sharing link with Senator Ray's government.
I feel I must, also, clarify some matters. If you will read my statements, which have been deemed damning by the always loud opposition to me, you will find that I begin those statements with the phrase "If need be, and following Imperial authorization..." Meaning only if it was absolutely necessary and with further approval from the Empire, would we take such extreme steps. Senator Cambrist's last statement is correct in pointing out, we were laying out all options we were considering, and expressing the maximum use of force we ever considered applying on Dantooine. We wanted, in our message, to convey to the Ruling Council what courses of action they would likely see, so that they had a good idea of what they were considering. That did not mean that specific course of action would be taken, but neither that it wouldn't occur later, but that we would not go beyond those levels of force as outlined.
I must also clarify, as the Chair of the Defense Committee... I act as an individual. I apply my knowledge of defense and military affairs, and I guide it in a way which is beneficial to the Empire and planetary defense as a whole. As a Senator, however, I am not an individual... I never have been. I am the voice of my people and the will of my government... it is them that I represent, not myself. Something more and more lost within these halls. I am not one, but many, as a Senator... a legion vast of every citizen of the Deralian government; man, woman, and child. It seems that this conflict... this form of representation, so lost by this body, is such a foreign concept, that it is being misconstrued and misunderstood. I hope my simple explanation suffices.
Back to this measure, I find nothing within descriptions of my position which show that an offensive action by my constituency warrants a removal from power, nor a conflict of interest, on my part. Therefore it has no authoritative standing, thus... either this measure must be tabled or a investigative committee must be formed which will give fair consideration to the issue at hand, and find whether or not I am guilty of these baseless accusations and false charges.
I find it interesting that the individuals within these chambers, whose preferred act of foreign policy is violating sovereign space and disrupting commerce by force in their beloved blockades of protest, or whatever righteous reasoning they wish to apply to the act, go farther in being an act of war than Deralia's actions at Dantooine... and yet, it is these very same powers which wish to villianize the Deralian government and gather a crusade against an entire world, for no reason at all, in truth, other than pure political benefit. Interesting, indeed.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Tuesday, 22 Nov 2011, 0:56 AM | Message # 22 |
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| I do not believe you are able to separate your role as Senator of Deralia from your role as Planetary Defense Committee Chair. You see how inappropriate it looks to have a man who represents worlds which launch raids on other worlds as Chair of the Defense Committee?
You promised to appoint a deputy-chair - this never happened, and yet we are several months down the line.
You use the defense committee to shoot down motions Deralia dislikes, even if they are in the best interests of the Empire.
As for a crusade, I hardly see Deralia as being at threat now you retreated your threat to Dantooine. We applied pressure, you backed down, a prudent move.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Monday, 28 Nov 2011, 11:00 AM | Message # 23 |
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| Senator Ray, as a point of clarification. Do you intend to pursue this motion now that Dantooine and Deralia seem to have resolved their dispute?
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Monday, 28 Nov 2011, 3:49 PM | Message # 24 |
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| Yes, I do intend to pursue this. Despite the very recent talks and now with the disappearing of said communication between Senator Veritas and my government. I intend to continue on with this until you, the Grand Vizier closes this act.
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Monday, 28 Nov 2011, 7:51 PM | Message # 25 |
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| Very well. The measure passes with 80% in favor and 20% opposed. Senator Veritas is unseated as chairman of the Defense Committee. The more prominent deputy-chair of the Defense Committee that the Senator promised us some time ago would have been useful in this circumstance, but as it is the distinguished Senator Snopps of Corulag shall assume the role of acting chair while His Majesty considers a permanent replacement. We welcome the Senate's suggestions, of course.
Without comment on the latest accusations against Senator Veritas, I do express the gratitude of the chair for his efforts to advance His Majesty's agenda in this session of the Senate.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Monday, 28 Nov 2011, 11:17 PM | Message # 26 |
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| A man, with a look of physical pain mixed with scorn, stood in the hovering Senate Pod. "Despite my various objections, from the mere procedural to the outstanding claims of personal accountability... all of which is based upon lies, misinformation, or pure ignorance... I have no choice but to accept this as the Senate's collective will in such a decisive vote. Therefore, effective immediately, I resign my position as the Senator from Deralia for the Tammuz Sector. My government will choose a successor to serve out the remaining three years of my term by the end of this legislative session." he spoke to all of them. Without further statement or action, the pod returned to its housing, and the entire delegation within, proceeded to leave the Senate chambers. They would not stop until they had boarded a Deralian CR70 Corvette and had arrived at Deralia.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Tuesday, 29 Nov 2011, 4:42 AM | Message # 27 |
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| Don't let the door hit you on the way out..
Farewell Senator Lacetas.
I would like to nominate Exar Ray for the chairmanship of the Defense Committee, I think perhaps it is best the Senator wronged by Veritas is allowed to bring his experience to bear.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Tuesday, 29 Nov 2011, 7:25 AM | Message # 28 |
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| Simply because Senator Veritas wronged Senator Ray does not make Senator Ray the right man for the job, Senator Oriel. No offense intended of course, Senator Ray. I would like to nominate Senator Lomen Ryuun for chairmanship myself.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Tuesday, 29 Nov 2011, 7:49 AM | Message # 29 |
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| I do not believe I would support Ryuun's candidacy. Druckenwell was a CIS world, I wouldn't like to see a Druckenwellian in charge of my defense.
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Tuesday, 29 Nov 2011, 8:03 AM | Message # 30 |
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| Druckenwell may have been a CIS world at one point, true, but I would say judging by current standards, they are a very productive and helpful member of the Empire. Senator Ryuun as well held a captaincy in the Republic Army and I am sure he is not the only Druckenwellian who served the Republic against the CIS. I could just as easily state that in past history, Dantooine was home to a Jedi Enclave and was home to a Jedi Council of that time, marking it as a world sympathetic to the evil pederasts who once pervaded our great society. Nonetheless, they too are a productive member of the Empire. You can hardly judge the mistakes of past leaders on the present ones.
I could go on to cite further reasons why Senator Ryuun would be a good candidate, but I do not see why it is necessary.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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