The Second Deralian Chastisement Act

Senator_Ordan

Date: Tuesday, 13 Dec 2011, 3:33 AM | Message # 16

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While I feel it may seem rather odd coming from myself, may I urge Deralia and Vjun to keep their words to the point, and avoid making unparliamentary references to litigation, I ask both to comport themselves as Gentlemen, even if the Deralian representative is not one.

If Deralia would like, I'm sure the Ethics Committee would be willing to scrutinize the evidence in private (if you wish to tender it to us in a closed session) and we could happily rule on whether the conduct of Deralia was exemplary and in line with the virtues elucidated by Ms Poplicola or the vices expounded by Senator Oriel, surely this route would solve the dispute and resolve some of the understandable confusion over this "secret evidence".

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Exar_Ray

Date: Tuesday, 13 Dec 2011, 2:12 PM | Message # 17

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I can assure the Imperial Senate that Dantooine's government had no involvement in any sort of terrorism act. Despite the words of the new representative from Deralia, we are working diligently on the information given to us from Senator Veritas. Make no mistake that his transmission has not fallen on deaf ears. Using the intelligence given by him, Dantooine's Militia has worked around the clock to ensure that the intel is accurate, which it is. We have already brought in 4 terrorists in and are on the leads to multiple more cases. If the Representative from Deralia would like, we'll be more then happen to extend a hand of friendship rather then send a ship of war to your planet. You have 48 hours to claim the terrorists or else we will deal with them on our own. My silence has not been for nothing, ladies and gentlemen, I am rather a busy man.

Avadrie_volFyr

Date: Tuesday, 13 Dec 2011, 6:00 PM | Message # 18

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Empress Teta has the concern that this bill is harsh, but also considers that it is potentially precedent setting if a member world is allowed to defy Senate legislation and so is not a simple question of whether we feel Deralia should be punished for its actions.

Regardless of whether Deralia has evidence of terrorist groups operating from Dantooine's space, or any other evidence to the effect that Dantooine's government was/is aware of the organizations and was doing nothing to mitigate the problem, it should have been brought to the Senate's attention. If Deralia's end goal is the end of terrorism, and I add that it is also a shared goal of every Imperial world by virtue of inclusion in the Empire, why not lay this problem at the feet of the Empire instead of assuming all the risk and inviting what had to be assumed would be a firestorm of political backfire?

Perhaps instead of establishing new deadlines, and quadrupling this or that, perhaps now would be the time to turn the matter over to the sector Moff, to collect the payment as he sees fit? Empress Teta believes the first Act is sufficient and would like to see the Senate move past this matter rather than continue what is turning into a hostile situation.

Lady Avadrie volFyr
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Senator_Cambrist

Date: Tuesday, 13 Dec 2011, 11:11 PM | Message # 19

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I'm doubtful of the necessity of this measure and its predecessor, too. I was indisposed when the Chastisement Act was first proposed and unable to oppose it, but I suspect I'd have done so on the basis that it's unseemly to punish a world so harshly for an act that the Empire had cleared in advance. I understand that the Empire didn't endorse what Deralia did, and moreover it's apparent that the Ruling Council expressed some reluctance to Deralia about the endeavor and recommended it be prologued with appeals to Dantooine's government rather than epilogued, as it's happened. But even so I chafe at the idea of punishing Deralia for pursuing a course of action it had no reason to expect would result in so heated opposition as it's encountered from Senator Oriel and others.

I think it's important to bear in mind that Deralia has withdrawn from Dantooine and done so, as I understand it, without firing a single shot. Deralia's intrusion was brief—less than half a day—and ended when Dantooine demanded Deralia end it. While I can't fault Senator Oriel, Senator Ray, and others for their indignation, I also can't fault Deralia or its Senator for being indignant at the acts of terrorism committed against its people; acts of terrorism that Deralia seems convinced originated from Dantooine. Understanding this now is important, I feel, because it's quite clear that this was misunderstood at the time. And that's what this seems to be—a misunderstanding (and one that Deralia is attempting to set right, as is Dantooine). I see no reason to complicate the resolution of this crisis with harsh sanctions.

Of course questions do remain, some of which I myself have asked and Deralia, for all its sanctimony, still hasn't answered. For instance, if Deralia has intelligence about rebels operating on Dantooine it's troubling that it hasn't been provided to the Empire. Senator volFyr is quite right to raise this point and to point out that it demands suspicion of Deralia's intentions. But this is secondary to whether or not Deralia deserves the harsh punishment that Senator Oriel has proposed (and whether it's worth the dangerous precedent this measure sets), and for the reasons I've said I'm inclined to think it does not. I vote against the measure, though on this as on all issues I'm susceptible to reason and open to being convinced otherwise.

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Mr_Goodchild

Date: Thursday, 15 Dec 2011, 10:08 PM | Message # 20

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Enacting economical actions and having a world repay one is one thing, yet demanding that after only a single month that same world be forced to undergo further hardships is another. It takes time to mass what you've demanded be paid, and it takes time to transport it from worlds so far apart as Deralia and Dantooine. The mere fact that this is being demanded a single month after the passing of the first act, with out even any consideration or allowance for Deralia to even attempt to act on what is being demanded is just ridiculous. For the moment the Cronese Mandate must vote against this bill.

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Avadrie_volFyr

Date: Friday, 16 Dec 2011, 7:21 AM | Message # 21

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Considering that the Empire did not object to the use of Force, and also for the reasons listed by Senator Cambrist, Empress Teta votes against this proposal.

Lady Avadrie volFyr
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Bernard_Oriel

Date: Friday, 16 Dec 2011, 12:41 PM | Message # 22