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The Second Deralian Chastisement Act
Bernard_OrielDate: Sunday, 11 Dec 2011, 9:37 PM | Message # 1
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The Second Deralian Chastisement Act

In light of Deralia failing to pay it's dues on time to Dantooine, in rightful restitution for the suffering and uncertainty imposed on a member of the Empire by an unjust and unprovoked military operation. This is unjust and shows a characteristic lack of respect for the Senate, just as it showed to Dantooine. Thus I must propose a selection of measures to bring this militarist monarchy back into line before it is allowed to threaten it's neighbours any further.

1. The fine upon Deralia will double, weekly, until the balance is paid in full.
2. From the passage of this act Deralia will have a "grace period" in which to repay the (small and reasonable) fine of 48 hours (this will have given it over a week total to pay the dues, perhaps more).
3. If Deralia fails to pay the fine within one month of the passage of the initial Act, the fine shall be collected by the Moff of the Tammuz Sector via taxation.
4. If Deralia does not pay its dues within one month, King Deralius will be removed from the Deralian Throne, as will the sitting Governor. They will be replaced at the discretion of the Moff of the Tammuz Sector. Furthermore, the debt shall be settled by the Sector Moff by direct extraction of any resources he deems fit from Deralia.


Bernard Oriel
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LomenRyuunDate: Monday, 12 Dec 2011, 6:31 AM | Message # 2
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This goes too far, Senator Oriel. Give Deralia proper time to adjust to the changes it is going to undergo from the fallout from its actions at Dantooine. I would say it is safe to allot them a month to make reparations to Dantooine. There is no need for this act. Druckenwell is firmly against.

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Bernard_OrielDate: Monday, 12 Dec 2011, 8:12 AM | Message # 3
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When they are already in defiance of an Imperial Act? When it is a small fine from the bank account of the King?

This is not about Deralia's ability to pay, this is not in question. This is about tackling the issue that Deralia is making no effort to do so, thus defying the whole Senate.

Would you be more supportive if more time is given? I find it odd you wish to give a world already in defiance of Imperial law more time. Every day this fine is not paid it is an insult to the Emperor, do you support that?


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LomenRyuunDate: Monday, 12 Dec 2011, 8:18 AM | Message # 4
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Word games don't work on me, Senator Oriel. I believe a reasonably appropriate time should have been effective for any method of payment. A month, certainly is fair enough. I would even agree to two weeks. Perhaps one could ask why they have not yet paid before simply slapping on further sanctions? There is usually a reason behind actions, Senator Oriel, and I would not so quickly jump to blame defiance for that delay.

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Bernard_OrielDate: Monday, 12 Dec 2011, 8:20 AM | Message # 5
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I am not making a word game Senator. I am defending the honour of his Majesty. There is no question they are currently breaking the law, which gave them 48 hours to make payment. Why do you believe they should be able to do so without a fine?

If any Imperial Citizen fails to pay his dues by the required date, he gets a fine or jail. If any company fails to pay, it gets a fine or loses it's charter. Why should Deralia be exempt from this?

Deralia is choosing to defy Imperial Law, just as it did when it attacked our mutual ally, Dantooine. Deralia is a world which has been seen to be defiant and if a wayward child is defiant you do not encourage that defiance, you keep him in line. Deralia needs to be chastised, for the good of the Empire, Tammuz Sector and it's people, it needs to learn respect for Imperial Law.


Bernard Oriel
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LomenRyuunDate: Monday, 12 Dec 2011, 9:02 AM | Message # 7
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Then quadruple the fine payable from the King's pocket, Senator. That's a reasonable punishment for not paying within forty-eight hours. Give them a longer time to make the payment; two weeks, to repeat my earlier example. Confiscating all their defensive vessels above a certain length will only serve to make them prey for the dark forces at work within the galaxy, and removal of key leadership could well set them up as ripe pickings for a rebellion.

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Bernard_OrielDate: Monday, 12 Dec 2011, 9:06 AM | Message # 8
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I have removed the Clause you have issue with. I believe the other clauses are fair and should stand, they are targeted heavily on the Deralian monarchy but do not act to penalise the common defence of the people.

Bernard Oriel
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LomenRyuunDate: Monday, 12 Dec 2011, 9:15 AM | Message # 9
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I cannot say I fully agree with this, Senator Oriel, but you have been willing to make the penalty at least slightly lessened upon Deralia, and while I still believe removal of current authority can open the door to rebellion and dissension, I will tentatively vote in favor.

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Avadrie_volFyrDate: Monday, 12 Dec 2011, 5:16 PM | Message # 10
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Would Vjun be willing to add the following amendment and clause;

- Instead of turning over the DP20 and 2 squadrons, Deralia instead scuttles the vessels and makes a charitable contribution of comparable scope to the people of Dantooine to the effect of mitigating the adverse financial effects inflicted by their actions. Perhaps Deralia would be interested in funding the Dantooine Branch of Koros Major University that I have suggested to Senator Ray's government?

And with the clause that if terrorist activity operating from Dantooine is indeed substantiated, that Deralia be entitled to repayment. (over time, in light of Dantooine's smaller stature financially).

I just fail to see how it is just to take the take the stick from one and give it to the other. It seems counterproductive to encouraging peace and fraternal relations in the Outer Rim.


Lady Avadrie volFyr
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Bernard_OrielDate: Monday, 12 Dec 2011, 7:00 PM | Message # 11
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Senator volFyr.

Unfortunately I cannot incorporate your ideas as I believe they are counterproductive to the original intentions of the act. Dantooine is a world which (as has been demonstrated) could well utilise these vessels in it's own defense. Thus I am highly in favour of the vessels being turned over to them and not (as you suggest) scuttling these vessels, which would be a simple waste of ships for no good purpose.

Also, no, even if it could be demonstrated that there were some terrorists on Dantooine I would not find it equitable for Deralia to attack them with no attempt at diplomacy and these acts should still stand in such a circumstance (fortunately I do not believe this is the case). I would only be in favour of concession if Dantooine were demonstrated to either be A. Ignoring terrorists on it's soil. or B. Aiding and abetting terrorists on it's soil. I do not doubt every world has a few bad apples, but a world should only be punished if it ignores or helps them. In the case it was proven that this was the case on Dantooine we could pass a repeal Act and I do not see the need for a "concession" in the text of the Act itself.

It is not taking a stick from one and giving it to the other, it is realigning the balance of power somewhat. It protects a world which has been demonstrated to be at risk from attack by predators such as Deralia by giving them a better ability to police their space and resist until allies arrived in time of assault by aggressors.. I do not believe a single gunship and some fighters would mean that Dantooine was suddenly an aggressive power - you should note the act leaves the Deralian Venator-class intact - for now.


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Lucia_PoplicolaDate: Monday, 12 Dec 2011, 11:40 PM | Message # 12
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Senator Oriel, while one would wish that it was as easy to simply do things in a matter of days, I find a need to remind you that we are talking about the Galaxy, travel can not occur within days across half the Outer Rim. Nor can the refitting of a vessel for use by another power, for that matter. I'm afraid this is your failing as a Senator, which is reasonable timing within your resolutions. Should my government had a month to prepare for and give the demanded reparation to Dantooine, which we are more than willing despite its unreasonable nature, it would be done. Giving us two days, however, is not only unreasonable, but border-line negligent. It is a clear indication that despite some calls to do so, Senator Oriel is unprepared for any Committee seating, let alone as the head of one... especially Defense.

Senator Oriel has clearly held a personal vendetta against former Senator Veritas since his opposition to the original, and now nullified, Capital Vessels Act, which can be seen on record. It can be seen in speech; and certainly in the numerous failed attempts to remove former Senator Veritas from his Chairmanship. This opposition has clearly translated into racism against the Deralian people as a whole. What prejudice Senator Oriel holds, exactly, I can not say. I am not Senator Oriel. However, the destruction and dismantlement of Deralia as a sovereign power, seems to be his goal. All that has been done by my government is action in its own self-defense. When our action was viewed as wrong, we gave our intelligence over to the Dantooine government. The reason why this was not done in the first place is clear now... the government of Dantooine will not, as it has not, deal with the terrorist groups operating out of their space. The entirety of our intelligence data was coaxed out of us by Senator Ray through promises of a cooperative effort to deal with this clear and present threat to Deralia, it's citizens, and other countless worlds of the Outer Rim, and perhaps deeper into Imperial space. Nothing has happened. Upon receipt of the intelligence, all channels with Dantooine were closed. We are left in the dark, and not a single thing has occurred on Dantooine to handle this threat.

Popularism will be the downfall of this Senate. Popularist movements have become rife on both sides of the political spectrum, and it is... in a word, pathetic. Pathetic, sad, and depressing. That people elected by entire sectors to come together and represent the entire galaxy in an open forum, merely to devolve into squabbling children is perhaps the saddest thing for a citizen of the Empire to witness. Just because one individual passes around an idea, most of the Senate wants to follow, not finding out the truth for themselves or learning the whole story. Too many are quick to flip their beliefs simply because someone seems reasonable, regardless of whether or not they are right or wrong. There was once a tyrant, who said of young adults, that they are "useful idiots". I plead with the Senator to not become useful idiots themselves, and continue to be a body of actual legislators. There are too many Senator Oriels, and the close-mindedness that comes with it, permeating the Senate... and even more sheep, yearning to be told what to think.

We can all say pretty things. I could turn around and say a Man-Hutt will sweep the galaxy and cleanse it of evil; and should I put some reasonable sounding argument behind it, there are bound to be those who will follow me and believe that my word is fact. I could put in books that a man saved my soul from damnation in the afterlife, and if I put in that book the right words, and say "do these things, and you will be saved too", then there will be those who will read and do so. Are these claims truth? No. A reasonable person, observing the facts of a situation would see this. The facts of this controversy is this. Twenty Deralian citizens were killed on Dantooine by their residence and business being set on fire. Three-hundred and sixty-two Deralian citizens were killed days later... not on foreign soil, but in their homes, their workplace. On one of the inhabited moons of Deralia, Celest, innocent civilians were subjected to orbital bombardment. We wished to give these victims justice... and we are the villain. We are the evil conquerors, we are the tyrants. Not those who killed innocent civilians, oh no. These individuals must be defended. These individuals must be protected. Why? I can find no reasonable or sane justification. A man wanting justice for his murdered people, loses his position of authority within the Senate and is derided as a criminal. An entire people are demonized, for invoking their given right to self-defense. Why? Again, no reasonable or sane justification exists.

It is apparent that this is all nothing more than a thinly veiled crusade against the Deralian people, due to nothing more than a man's vane pride. That is your sin, Senator Oriel. Pride. Pride which has caused you to damn an honest man, and a sincere people, out of nothing more than to avenge a petty mark on your inflated ego. This is not democracy.... this is not what the Senate is supposed to be. I, and my people, are losing faith in this body, Senators. Please, for the sake of all we believe in, prove me wrong.


Lucia Poplicola
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Bernard_OrielDate: Tuesday, 13 Dec 2011, 0:09 AM | Message # 13
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Senator Oriel, while one would wish that it was as easy to simply do things in a matter of days, I find a need to remind you that we are talking about the Galaxy, travel can not occur within days across half the Outer Rim. Nor can the refitting of a vessel for use by another power, for that matter. I'm afraid this is your failing as a Senator, which is reasonable timing within your resolutions. Should my government had a month to prepare for and give the demanded reparation to Dantooine, which we are more than willing despite its unreasonable nature, it would be done. Giving us two days, however, is not only unreasonable, but border-line negligent. It is a clear indication that despite some calls to do so, Senator Oriel is unprepared for any Committee seating, let alone as the head of one... especially Defense.


I do not believe the timings are unreasonable. It takes seconds to transfer a fine to Dantooine via any IGBC bank account. I am very willing to be accomodating over enforcement times (as I have already demonstrated) by my accession to Senator Ryuun's wishes. If you have a more appropriate timeframe which you can work to, then state it and I would be more than happy to accomodate it if it is reasonable. However, if this is simply delaying for delaying's own sake, I see no point.

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Senator Oriel has clearly held a personal vendetta against former Senator Veritas since his opposition to the original, and now nullified, Capital Vessels Act, which can be seen on record. It can be seen in speech; and certainly in the numerous failed attempts to remove former Senator Veritas from his Chairmanship. This opposition has clearly translated into racism against the Deralian people as a whole. What prejudice Senator Oriel holds, exactly, I can not say. I am not Senator Oriel. However, the destruction and dismantlement of Deralia as a sovereign power, seems to be his goal. All that has been done by my government is action in its own self-defense. When our action was viewed as wrong, we gave our intelligence over to the Dantooine government. The reason why this was not done in the first place is clear now... the government of Dantooine will not, as it has not, deal with the terrorist groups operating out of their space. The entirety of our intelligence data was coaxed out of us by Senator Ray through promises of a cooperative effort to deal with this clear and present threat to Deralia, it's citizens, and other countless worlds of the Outer Rim, and perhaps deeper into Imperial space. Nothing has happened. Upon receipt of the intelligence, all channels with Dantooine were closed. We are left in the dark, and not a single thing has occurred on Dantooine to handle this threat.


A simple ad hominem attack. I have nothing against the Deralian people and was horrified by the notion that my act could be taken as a criticism of them rather than their Government, it is with this in mind that I amended the Act to make it target the Deralian people less and the Deralian Government more. I believe in the Deralian Government and it's King, also it's right to rule, so long as it obeys the law (which it is presently in breach of).

My problems with Senator Veritas were soley based on his misconduct in his position and his lying to the Senate. I have no personal vendetta against the man.

If there is evidence of Terrorists operating on Dantooine, publish it. Put up or shut up. I have seen none published thus far.

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Popularism will be the downfall of this Senate. Popularist movements have become rife on both sides of the political spectrum, and it is... in a word, pathetic. Pathetic, sad, and depressing. That people elected by entire sectors to come together and represent the entire galaxy in an open forum, merely to devolve into squabbling children is perhaps the saddest thing for a citizen of the Empire to witness. Just because one individual passes around an idea, most of the Senate wants to follow, not finding out the truth for themselves or learning the whole story. Too many are quick to flip their beliefs simply because someone seems reasonable, regardless of whether or not they are right or wrong. There was once a tyrant, who said of young adults, that they are "useful idiots". I plead with the Senator to not become useful idiots themselves, and continue to be a body of actual legislators. There are too many Senator Oriels, and the close-mindedness that comes with it, permeating the Senate... and even more sheep, yearning to be told what to think.


I am far from closed minded, as my record demonstrates I am very willing to accomodate new ideas and incorporate them into my legislation. I think this is aptly demonstrated by the broad variety of legislation I have passed through the Senate, usually with broad support from many factions. I am happy to adapt and change legislation according to the wishes and best interests of the Empire.

The fact that you detest popularism seems rather dangerous to me representative. What is the Empire but a popular movement? The coming together of all the people of the Galaxy under one flag and authority, your words sound very much like condemning democracy.

Voting to protect small worlds and enforce the law is not idiotic, it is patriotic and right.

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Twenty Deralian citizens were killed on Dantooine by their residence and business being set on fire. Three-hundred and sixty-two Deralian citizens were killed days later... not on foreign soil, but in their homes, their workplace. On one of the inhabited moons of Deralia, Celest, innocent civilians were subjected to orbital bombardment. We wished to give these victims justice... and we are the villain. We are the evil conquerors, we are the tyrants. Not those who killed innocent civilians, oh no. These individuals must be defended. These individuals must be protected. Why? I can find no reasonable or sane justification. A man wanting justice for his murdered people, loses his position of authority within the Senate and is derided as a criminal. An entire people are demonized, for invoking their given right to self-defense. Why? Again, no reasonable or sane justification exists.


The Deralian representative will have to forgive me for failing to quote their paragraph. However, as they said nothing sensible in the first section I am choosing to ignore it.

The fire on Dantooine was a tragic incident which the Dantooine Militia and Fire Department responded to as best as they could. The loss of lives is to be lamented but I see no evidence of the Government of Dantooine being involved in misconduct. Arson is a crime which should be punished via the law, via the Sector Rangers if Dantooine cannot. It is not casus belli.

After this time (but before this terrorist incident on Deralia) Deralia requested to be allowed to invade Dantooine. It is apparent that is's intentions were clear from this point onwards, a simple case of a fire or arson is enough to provoke war from Deralia. A terrifying warning to it's neighbours.

Then this "raid" or "terrorist attack" on Celest happened. Where is the evidence that Dantooine was involved? I admit it was a horrific assault but I cannot see any shred of evidence thus far that Dantooine was involved, or it's government was complicit in the act.

Next Deralia sent special forces troopers to Dantooine, it kidnapped a man, threatened children and killed a dozen militiamen and twice as many civilians. The responsible party has been caught and been verified to be Deralian, equipped with sophisticated gear there is no other view to take other than this being an unwarranted Act of War on Dantooine, and a shameful one at that.

Following up it's special forces raid it brought ships into Dantooine space and would have invadedf if the RimSec coalition and it's allies had not put the fear of turbolasers into the Deralians.

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It is apparent that this is all nothing more than a thinly veiled crusade against the Deralian people, due to nothing more than a man's vane pride. That is your sin, Senator Oriel. Pride. Pride which has caused you to damn an honest man, and a sincere people, out of nothing more than to avenge a petty mark on your inflated ego. This is not democracy.... this is not what the Senate is supposed to be. I, and my people, are losing faith in this body, Senators. Please, for the sake of all we believe in, prove me wrong.


I'm glad to see you are following the Senator Veritas line of lying to the Senate. I have no issue with the Deralian people, and as stated I have taken measures to reduce the impact of the Chastisement Act upon them, it being intended to chastise their government not them.

According to representative Poplicola:

Deralia apparently believes to stick up for little Dantooine against Deralian aggression is wrong.
Deralia believes an "honest man" is one who was caught lying to the Senate.
Deralia believes it is above the law and doesn't have to pay it's fines.
Deralia has failed to comment until now about the fines or request more time to comply in the original act.
Deralia is an aggressive Government which launched a special forces raid which killed dozens over a simple crime.
Deralia has a Government which has no use for diplomacy until after it attacks a member world.

Senators, especially Rimward Senators, I must ask you the question, is your world next on Deralia's hit list? Should we let this rogue government have it's way? or should we chastise the government as a parent, bring it back into line and teach it the error of it's ways. I propose we do all of this through peace, through diplomacy, through discussion and conciliation. It is apparent that the Deralian Government does not believe in these methods, rather it believes in the turbolaser being the first argument of worlds.

A vote in favour of this Act is a vote to bring Deralia into line while protecting it's people from it's militarist and aggressive government
. Is a vote to encourage it to improve and to help it do so by demonstrating that all worlds are equal under the law.


Bernard Oriel
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Why is Senator Ray silent on this? Why is it that the man who is paid to represent the other world in question in this controversy, and lead it no less, is the most uninvolved individual in this body on this issue? Should he not be the one demanding such things? Is Senator Ray even in charge on Dantooine? It is odd. From what I am aware, Senator Ray abruptly ended communication with former Senator Veritas. If the Chair is willing, I ask that debate on this legislation be temporarily suspended until the Empire is sure that Senator Ray is still in power, let alone alive.

And Senator Oriel, if you wish to continue to be the only person claiming that Deralia sent any form of ground forces, then stop being a hypocrit and present some form of actual proof. Since you are not the delegate from Dantooine, I doubt this is possible... and if it is, then I am only left questioning how you would come to possess such evidence. The proof Deralia has of the terrorist organizations based out of Dantooine has been given to the appropriate individuals. I know this seems to be a difficult concept for you to grasp Senator, but yet again, the point must be made... please, pay attention this time. Deralia is making no claim of responsibility for these attacks against the government of Dantooine. We are, however, making claim of responsibility of these attacks to terrorist elements based out of Dantooine and its star system. Very different claims. Had the government of Dantooine been responsible for attacks on Deralian citizens, then there would a cassus belli that no amount of resistence would deter us from. Attacks against civilians are something Deralia has, and always will, stand against. Stop this game you are trying to play Senator, for this is no game.

I am not lying to the Senate, Senator Oriel. Neither did former Senator Veritas. Until convicted of such crimes, then I recommend you cease such claims, less you face your own charges, that of slander.


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Why am I speaking on this Act ahead of Senator Ray, because I am his friend and ally. I do not run a planet at the same time and so am happy to help my friend when needed. Vjun protects its friends and believes in the Empire and diplomacy. What does Deralia believe in?

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And Senator Oriel, if you wish to continue to be the only person claiming that Deralia sent any form of ground forces, then stop being a hypocrit and present some form of actual proof.


As was publically announced six Deralian agents were captured on Dantooine. I have been informed by reliable sources that DNA tests confirm they were Deralian, they were armed with special forces grade kit and were demonstrably surveying the area with a view to planning an attack. Looks pretty much like proof to me.

Equally, your Venator-class prevented the Dantooine militia intercepting their escape so I understand.

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he proof Deralia has of the terrorist organizations based out of Dantooine has been given to the appropriate individuals.


Isn't that convenient, you have evidence but can't show it to us.. oh isn't that just peachy convenient for Deralia? Does anyone else smell a rat here? This is so transparent it defies belief, Deralia is refusing to put up any public evidence relating to this claim of Terrorism, a very very revealing move.

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Deralia is making no claim of responsibility for these attacks against the government of Dantooine. We are, however, making claim of responsibility of these attacks to terrorist elements based out of Dantooine and its star system. Very different claims. Had the government of Dantooine been responsible for attacks on Deralian citizens, then there would a cassus belli that no amount of resistence would deter us from. Attacks against civilians are something Deralia has, and always will, stand against. Stop this game you are trying to play Senator, for this is no game.


Why request permission to target the Dantooine Government? Why not simply express concerns? Why not attempt diplomacy first? Why not call the Sector Rangers? Why not make some attempt to act in accordance with the customs and traditions of amity this Empire stands for?

Why not Senators? because Deralia was making a naked land grab, which is is only now seeking to justify. And frankly, it is doing a shocking bad job of doing so!

Then why did you file for permission to invade Dantooine? To "annex it to the kingdom of Deralia" as it was put? Surely if you intended them no ill will you would not invade their space with no diplomacy and request permission to take over from the Empire?

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I am not lying to the Senate, Senator Oriel. Neither did former Senator Veritas. Until convicted of such crimes, then I recommend you cease such claims, less you face your own charges, that of slander.


Sue me then. If I am slandering you then you should by all means go to law. Senator Veritas however is and was a liar, he mislead the senate in the most transparent way and destroyed a career long reputation with that lie. I am shocked and astonished that you would continue his lead and perpatrate ad-hominem attack against myself for bring Deralia to account.

I ask you Senators,
Have we seen any evidence for a legitimate cause of war? No.
Have we seen any evidence of Dantooine involvement or the involvement of it's citizens? No.
Did Deralia try democracy or law as a solution for it's claimed issues? No.
Have we seen Deralia request to invade Dantooine space, launch underhanded special forces attacks and act aggressively to Dantooine? Absolutely.

Draw your own conclusions Senators.


Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate


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