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Legitimization of Sluis Sector Authority
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Sunday, 01 Jan 2012, 3:54 PM | Message # 31 |
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| If you feel that we should vote, Representative Lekpin, why do you abstain? It makes no sense to me to have such an opinion but refuse to vote either in favor or against.
Chandrila votes firmly in favor. Senator Domon, you have our full support in your crusade to legitimize your sector authority. It is important to have recognition of your leaders.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Monday, 02 Jan 2012, 12:27 PM | Message # 32 |
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| Does the sector not have a Moff who could determine this?
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Monday, 02 Jan 2012, 12:42 PM | Message # 33 |
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| There is no Moff. Mr Domon wants the Empire to recognize his alien "khedive" as Sector Ruler so he can take action against the Human residents of the Sector (from Brentaal at least).
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Monday, 02 Jan 2012, 12:48 PM | Message # 34 |
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| Do you know how ridiculous that sound, Senator Ordan? Besides, what reason would Senator Domon have for subjugating millions of humans? Despite the Empire's mistreatment of nonhumans, I do not see him nor do I see any evidences of him attempting a such thing. You are dangerously close to being charged with slander, Senator Ordan. I suggest you refrain your hatred for nonhumans.
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Monday, 02 Jan 2012, 12:54 PM | Message # 35 |
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| You may not agree with it Senator Fowlkes, but Imperial policy is that of Human High Culture. Senator Ordan has not mentioned Senator Domon subjugating humans with an alien ruler, but given the circumstance it can appear as if the legitimization of the Khedive is being asked for so Sluis Van can take more decisive action in the ongoing trade dispute.
He may put it bluntly, but it is a reasonable observation to make. As for now, Empress Teta abstains from voting but would like to suggest that perhaps the Senate might find it prudent to ask the Emperor to appoint a Moff to the sector. King Leonard of Empress Teta is subject to the Deep Core Security Moff, why should another planetary ruler be any different?
Lady Avadrie volFyr
Senator of Empress Teta
Defense Committee Member
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 03 Jan 2012, 2:00 AM | Message # 36 |
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| Senator Domon, so we're clear, are you abstaining from this vote? I think it's the right thing to do, and I will if you do. Added (03 Jan 2012, 1:50 AM)
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And Senator volFyr, I'd suggest to you, madam, that if you favor an Imperial Moff of the Sluis Sector—not unreasonable, incidentally—your vote would be wisely submitted against this measure, as it is one that seeks to bypass the Empire's authority to appoint a Moff of the sector and have this "Khedive" installed by the Senate instead. This is why I feel this measure should be advisory, not binding, but here too I've received no clear answer from Senator Domon.
I've already said why I think this measure is inappropriate for this time and place, and I will not belabor the point. Added (03 Jan 2012, 2:00 AM)
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However I do feel a need to urge calm on my colleague, the Senator from Telos IV. Senator Ordan wasn't talking about "subjugating millions of humans," Senator Fowlkes, he simply observed what is obviously the case; that this measure is motivated out of Sluis Van's xenophobic craving for leverage in its dispute with Brentaal and its prospectors in the Sluis Sector. There are other reasons for this measure that Senator Domon has mentioned—good reasons that I've agreed with. But as I said, bringing the measure before the Senate at this time can only mean that Sluis Van is simply using the Senate as the means to its ends.
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Tuesday, 03 Jan 2012, 7:11 AM | Message # 37 |
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| (( Give me some time on this one. I actually have a post up on my laptop, but I'm using a public computer for the moment. I should have a reply up by the 6th. ))
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Tuesday, 03 Jan 2012, 11:57 AM | Message # 38 |
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| No, no, no! Are we really discussing this? This Kedive is an alien ruler of a sector, it's what we fought against in the Clone Wars. It's literally what we fought against.. The Kedive supported the Separatists in the Clone Wars and that's the problem with alien leadership, it's about alien supremacy and nothing else. If the humans of the Sluis Sector "support" this Kedive its probably because they know if they don't the Sluissis all around them will look at them as tasty and tempting morsels and have them for dinner. This needs to be said... Sluissis eat humans (if they can) and the only thing that's going to stop that is firm human leadership. A Moff, not some Kedive.
We saw in the Separatist ship debate how poorly the Slusisi understand human emotions. And they should be in charge of the humans in the sector? And how do we know when the next war comes along this Kedive won't turn on us again? This is ridiculous. I'm against it. Give aliens this kind of power and they're going to want more, that's the lesson of the Clone Wars, people.
Johannes Oswaldt
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Tuesday, 03 Jan 2012, 3:31 PM | Message # 39 |
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| Empress Teta votes against this motion, for the reasons suggested by Senator Cambrist.
Lady Avadrie volFyr
Senator of Empress Teta
Defense Committee Member
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Wednesday, 04 Jan 2012, 2:18 AM | Message # 40 |
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| You have a legitimate point, Senator Thanatos. Lorrd will vote in favor of this measure.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
Chosen of House Garth
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Thursday, 12 Jan 2012, 12:37 PM | Message # 41 |
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| Clarification is required of whether Senator Domon intends to vote on his proposal before the chair can close it.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Thursday, 12 Jan 2012, 1:06 PM | Message # 42 |
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| After considering the arguments and information that has been brought forward, as well as the recent Poll of the people, the Cronese Mandate votes in favor
Mr. Goodchild
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Friday, 13 Jan 2012, 11:37 AM | Message # 43 |
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| Having brought the motion before the Senate, yes, I believe it is only fair to abstain from the vote. Agreed, therefor, Senator Cambrist. Representative Goodchild, thank you for your support as well.
Governor Oswaldt, any intelligent, learned and well-traveled man knows that Sluissi do not eat humans; we rarely eat meat for that matter.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Avram_Kirkwood | Date: Friday, 27 Jan 2012, 11:03 PM | Message # 44 |
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| While there is convincing argument on both sides of this issue, the simple fact remains that the Sluis Sector is, as far as Imperial law goes, independent. In my mind, this sets up a situation in which the sector is entitled to constitutionally mandated sovereignty in its rule. Until a Moff is appointed to the sector, the Khedive is the rightful ruler of the sector. I vote In Favor.
The Honorable Avram W. Kirkwood
Senator of the Cygnus Star Empire
General, Imperial Army (Ret.)
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Saturday, 28 Jan 2012, 5:45 PM | Message # 45 |
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| Senator Kirkwood, I am vexed. Your remarks seem to support a Moff of the Sluis Sector, but your vote is for another form of leadership, not a Moff. Are you aware, Senator, that you're not being asked to vote on what the situation is currently but on what it should be? This is what we do and why we're here each day. I know you've just returned from a leave of absence, but you remember this, surely?
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