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The Disclosure Act
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Saturday, 14 Jan 2012, 9:19 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Henceforth, all members of the Imperial Ruling Council who advise the Emperor must 1.) report all personal income including gifts, and disclose Imperial tax returns, and 2.) disclose all Imperial funds used for personal expenses, salary, etc.
I vote in favor.
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Augusta_Aurelius | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 0:05 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Why is this deemed necessary, Senator Fitzgerald?
Augusta Aurelius
Queen Conosrt of Deralia
Chair of the Human Rights Monitoring and Crisis Resolution Sub-Committee of the Planetary Defense Committee
Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (30 BBY - 18 BBY, 10 BBY - Present)
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 0:48 AM | Message # 3 |
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| Two reasons. Reporting personal income and gifts makes sure the Emperor is receiving quality advice that's not compromised by private interests giving money or gifts to his Advisors, and disclosing to the public how much of their money is spent on personal expenses, salaries, transportation, etc. is an incentive to be frugal with the people's money and not spend more of it than necessary. We simply don't know how much the Emperor's Advisors are paid or how many of their personal expenses are covered with Imperial funds, and considering many of them enjoy opulent lifestyles but seem to have no independent income I have a feeling we could find a lot of savings in this area.
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Augusta_Aurelius | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 1:10 AM | Message # 4 |
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| Ensuring there is no corruption in the highest ranks of the Empire and establishing a fully transparent government. Ideals that one could argue were part of the foundation of the founding of the Empire, and ideals I can get behind. I thank you, Senator Fitzgerald for further clarification. I vote In Favor.
Augusta Aurelius
Queen Conosrt of Deralia
Chair of the Human Rights Monitoring and Crisis Resolution Sub-Committee of the Planetary Defense Committee
Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (30 BBY - 18 BBY, 10 BBY - Present)
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 7:27 AM | Message # 5 |
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| I firmly endorse this and vote in favour. Why should servants of the state be above the Law?
I do a tax return and am bound by the law on gifts and trust - why not them?
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 2:32 PM | Message # 6 |
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| I see nothing wrong with this either, Senator Fitzgerald, and likewise vote in favor.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 3:23 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Senators, Senators!
This is an openly rebellious piece of legislation. Do not be deceived by these vain arguments of "justice".
The Person of the Emperor and his household and Council are beyond are remit, and as they should be. Let it be a matter for his Majesty to decide. The Senate has no right to dictate to the Emperor and his close advisors.
I can only vote against this act.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 3:26 PM | Message # 8 |
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| In these troubling times it should be noted that the Emperor is the figure head, the one whom helped bring the galaxy out of the corruption of the Old Republic, whose members where known to accept gifts and bribes and all manner of items not suited for their image of helping the people, I do not see why that should not be the case here. I do not see why we should keep fighting to keep that corruption of the Old Republic from spilling over into the Empire. The Emperor should know that those he trust with power are being watched and expected to act for the Imperial Citizens, and not for themselves. The Cronese Mandate will vote in favor of this Bill.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
Message edited by Mr_Goodchild - Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 3:27 PM |
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 3:31 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Well I am sure the Emperor would thank you Senator Goodchild for referring to him as a "figurehead". This is a matter for the Emperor, not for his humble servants. Fie on you all fie and shame for voting in favour of this. We vote against, against, a thousand times against this legislation.
Only His Imperial Majesty can make these decisions referring to his close advisors on the Ruling Council, to pretend otherwise flirts with sedition and even treason.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
Message edited by Bernard_Oriel - Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 3:36 PM |
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 3:43 PM | Message # 10 |
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| In light of the words of Senators Ordan and Oriel and upon reading the law it does strike me that to vote for this act would be inappropriate at this time. Thus I abstain from voting.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 3:43 PM | Message # 11 |
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| "Beyond our remit"? It's the people's money, and we're the people's representatives. I think it's within our remit to scrutinize how it's being spent. Also, this supposedly inviolable boundary between the Senate and the Ruling Council was crossed when Sate Pestage, a member of the Council, was appointed Chair of the Senate. As for the disclosure of personal income and gifts, I mean only to assure the Emperor is receiving the best quality advice from his Advisers. I see nothing "treasonous" about this.
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 4:01 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Empress Teta votes against this legislation. We concur with Senators Ordan, Oriel and Terrawin.
Lady Avadrie volFyr
Senator of Empress Teta
Defense Committee Member
Message edited by Avadrie_volFyr - Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 4:02 PM |
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| Augusta_Aurelius | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 10:36 PM | Message # 13 |
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| It fails to make sense in my mind how asking financial accountability of the Advisors to the Throne amounts to sedition, or treason. Or how this is rebellious. I'm surprised that a member of the Ethics Committee, therefore one who should be concerned with nothing but ensuring ethical conduct occurs, would stand this simple piece of legislation. We've seen that some do slip through the cracks; look at Moff Verillia, an individual personally appointed and entrusted by the Emperor to oversee a sector of the Empire. Do we want a Verillia to pop up, unknown to all until it is too late, among the Advisors? I for one, do not. This legislation ensures that it won't happen, despite the unlikely nature of it.
Augusta Aurelius
Queen Conosrt of Deralia
Chair of the Human Rights Monitoring and Crisis Resolution Sub-Committee of the Planetary Defense Committee
Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (30 BBY - 18 BBY, 10 BBY - Present)
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Monday, 16 Jan 2012, 6:10 AM | Message # 14 |
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| Look, lets end this tired canard. Moff Verilia was only "personally appointed" by the Emperor in that the Emperor signed the paperwork, frankly, I feel the most likely cause of this was a paperwork error - Moff Verilia was a socially inept, mentally ill and corrupt man and does not represent the vast majority of Imperial Moffs.
Do you not trust in the Emperor to see that his close advisors are not like Moff Verilia? Do you not think the Emperor has the right to make this choice himself? The sedition is not in the content of the Act itself, rather in attempting to impose the Act on His Majesty without consultation.
Let the Chamber hear and remember that Senator Deralius, Senator Fitzgerald, Senator Thanatos and Senator Goodchild do not believe the Emperor is wise enough to make his own decisions on matters like this.
Frankly, I think it's also beyond our power and remit to do so, within our constitutional framework. What next? Will you dictate to the Emperor who can be his Advisors?
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Draken_Turot | Date: Monday, 16 Jan 2012, 5:18 PM | Message # 15 |
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| Here here, Senator Ordan! Acherin votes against!
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