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Vjun Populace Equalization Bill
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Saturday, 14 Jan 2012, 9:51 PM | Message # 1 |
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| In these ever changing and progressive times we live in, in this prosperous Empire that the Emperor has established and brought forth and established in the wake of the corrupt Republic, we find that we are often aiding each other, yet sometimes we can forget to look to those at home whom we serve. It is in these times that we can trust those of each other to help aid each other and help keep this Empire prosperous and keep the Imperial citizens of it free from tyranny.
Vjun Populace Equalization Bill
Article I
Recognizing the changing and prosperous times of the Empire, the Noble Houses of Vjun will grant the serfs their freedom, as well as abolish the archaic serfdom structure that has kept many of the people of Vjun in shackles since anyone can remember.
Section I
All free serfs will be granted all rights of a "freeman" including the right of freedom, right to vote, right to run for political office, as well as all rights available to free Imperial citizens.
Section II
Through the graceful charity of the Noble Houses, each newly freed serf will be granted 2 acres of land to call their own and maintain as they see fit, and will be responsible for all taxes, that will be democratically voted upon and installed by the people of Vjun.
Section III
No freed serf shall have their newly acquired rights taken from them, in which the result would be enslavement or servitude. No free serf can be imprisoned until found guilty in a fair trial of their peers.
Article II
Through their graceful charity, all Noble Houses of Vjun, including the most notable House Malreaux will donate 25% or a Quarter of their wealth to help establish the newly freed serfs in their home and land.
Section I
No Noble House of Vjun, or member of a Noble House of Vjun may take any action that would result in the enslavement or prevention of any newly freed serf from being freed or leaving their servitude of the house they formerly served.
Article III
To better serve their fellow citizens, the Noble Houses of Vjun will donate funds to find a means to better weather proof the residences of the poor, or solve the problem of acid rain which has caused multiple deaths, and has been the highest cause of death among the poor.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Saturday, 14 Jan 2012, 10:10 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Vjun is not a mandate or ward of the Empire, Vjun is an ancient member world with proud traditions stretching back scores of thousands of years. It is not appropriate for the Senate to dictate policy to member worlds on how they govern. I vote against.
We don't tell Deralia not to have a King, We don't tell the Sluissi not to have a Khedive. The Senate should stay out of planetary governance,
Furthermore, this "freeing" would rob these people of their lives and livelihoods. Largely you would be "freeing" them only to be free to starve. "Freeing" serfs in this way would only result in further economic inequality, deprivation and starvation. You cannot simply jump from a feudal system to a "modern" state without turmoil.
Vjun has taken gradual reform, and will continue to do so, but this motion is poorly timed, inappropriate and dictatorial.
Let planets run their own affairs, and let the Senate stay out of the running of Imperial Worlds,
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Augusta_Aurelius | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 0:01 AM | Message # 3 |
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| While I have personal issues with the state of affairs on Vjun, should recent media coverage be accurate, I am not in a position to pass judgement or enforce reform. I am not from Vjun. Neither are you, Senator Goodchild, nor any of us, except Senator Oriel. I can see this being nothing more than a petty response to Senator Oriel's now passed new mandate for the Cronese Mandate. Senator Oriel brings up the simple fact here, Vjun is not under mandate from the Empire, Vjun is not a client state of the Empire, Vjun is not a colony of the Empire. Vjun is a completely sovereign and independent world which is a member of the Galactic Empire.
There may have been much in constitutional reform since I was last in this hall, but one thing remains; there is no constitutional authority for the Senate to mandate form of governance to sovereign worlds. I am forced to vote Against this legislation due to its unconstitutional nature, however due to such, if I may Senator Oriel, I ask that the chair table this legislation on procedural grounds.
Augusta Aurelius
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Chair of the Human Rights Monitoring and Crisis Resolution Sub-Committee of the Planetary Defense Committee
Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (30 BBY - 18 BBY, 10 BBY - Present)
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 0:08 AM | Message # 4 |
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| Senators, I am merely trying to help the people of Vjun as they deserve to be helped. What kind of Senate would be if we were not trying to help all Imperial Citizens better their lives. This is not a petty response to Senator Oriel's bill that was passed, it is merely an attempt to help the people of Vjun, whom the recent media coverage has shown are in need of the help. Although I can see that Senator Oriel is more worried about imposing his "worry" and "concern" on other people of the Empire, than he is concerned with his own people of Vjun.
With that said, as it would appear that this Bill would be seen as a "petty response" rather than what it actually is, which is a bill to help the poor and downtrodden people of Vjun. As such, I will be withdrawing this bill.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 0:56 AM | Message # 5 |
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| It is not the role of the Senate to Mandate change on Imperial Member worlds unless in extreme circumstances. Vjun is changing, Vjun is improving through gradual and proportionate change.
This bill will cause Vjunites to starve, I won't vote for that. Sustainable development is what Vjun needs an I have been introducing. It does not need people unaware of the detail of the situation wading in handing out nebulous notional freedoms completely in contrast with the Vjunites culture. Vjun is a world which cares for all it's people through a patriarchal system of noblesse oblige. I firmly believe Vjunite feudal tenants would be fundamentally opposed to this bill.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Augusta_Aurelius | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 0:57 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Senator Goodchild, to be clear, your rivalry with Senator Oriel is rather well known. Why this is a petty response is because of its tit-for-tat nature, and the fact that you are attempting to do to him the same as was done to you, from a theoretical standpoint. This bill is not about the people of Vjun, or it would have been a far different piece of legislation. Were this about the people of Vjun, it would have been a constitutional act, and that is why it has been opposed by myself... and why it would not pass, nor be allowed to go far for that matter... it is unconstitutional.
Augusta Aurelius
Queen Conosrt of Deralia
Chair of the Human Rights Monitoring and Crisis Resolution Sub-Committee of the Planetary Defense Committee
Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (30 BBY - 18 BBY, 10 BBY - Present)
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 1:01 AM | Message # 7 |
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| In other words Senator Oriel, and correct me if I am wrong in quoting you Quote (Senator_Oriel) Things are great for me right now and this new document may make things worse for me".
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 1:46 AM | Message # 8 |
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| Rights of a Serf
- Right to an abode. Every serf has the right to a home.
- Right to not starve. Every Lord must assure reasonable provision of food for his tenants
- Right to protection. Right to have the Lord protect them and prevent injustices being visited upon them.
- Right to land to farm.
- Right to time sufficient to farm their land.
- Right to reasonable provision of healthcare.
- Right to representation in the Parliament.
You would in the cause of freedom give them the right to starve, the right to want for medical care and no jobs. Most feudal tenants have hundreds of acres of land which have been in families for thousands of years, they are rarely rich but they have a stable life.
I say we let this continue, lest we destabilise an important member of the Empire and unleash a massive humanitarian incident.
I have always upheld the right of planetary self governance, an I still uphold this, we are a loyal Imperial world, and our people deserve improvement which works for them instead of destroying them.Added (15 Jan 2012, 1:46 AM)
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I agree with Queen Deralius completely.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 6:43 AM | Message # 9 |
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| I agree with Senator Oriel, and Queen Derailus.
Mr. Goodchild...your proposal would give each "freed serf" his or her own land do with what they see fit. That is fine, but do you have a plan to provide them all with jobs in an economy where jobs are already scarce? Without a means of income, then the land is rather useless, is it not? No money, no food, no shelter...but they would have land.
I am glad that you are doing the right thing and withdrawing this asinine proposal.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 6:44 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Goodness me, Mr Goodchild. Slandering Mr Oriel by making up a quote? Deary me.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 7:01 AM | Message # 11 |
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| No - absolutely not. Mr Goodchild is attempting to parody my insight into his mental processes by making up a pretend quote I did not say.
Yes, things are quite nice for me, I am incredibly fortunate and recognize my standing and position are in no small part due to blind luck as well as skill. I also recognize that the cast of the die has not always been lucky for others - hence I believe in giving a large sum of my income to the poor. I think it should be noted that over the 25% stated is given by myself to my tenants (paying for their children's education, healthcare, employment where possible etc).
But where you are wrong is to say this act would make my position worse - in theory it would improve it as it would release me from all my commitments to my tenants and allow me to do what I want economically. You know what, I believe that despite my position being economically worse now it is far better to have Lords bound to feed and protect their tenants rather than the "free" system which in many cases equates to freedom to starve to death or freedom to work a 72 hour factory week.
In a free market system the rich would stand only to profit from the new poorly landed folk, being able to manipulate them by sheer economic power. Vjun has a feudal (but largely democratic) system where the rich have obligations (noblesse oblige - the obligation of nobility) to the poor, we have duties to our tenants, we meet them and feast with them several times a year, they work our lands and are in many cases friends of the family.
I should also add that any feudal tenant is essentially free to leave the land these days (the tradition hasn't been enforced for decades to "fetch them back"). Most choose not to, they vote with their feet, living under (largely benevolent) Lords who provide the basics at a minimal charge instead of diving into a risky job market where there is no certainty for them and their children.
Imagine if you were offered, in exchange for 20% tax a complete safety net, free healthcare and education, guaranteed jobs on the land for you and your children forever.. would you not be tempted?
Precious few Lords profit off their tenants, rather they live off their trust funds and investments of their ancestors (Mostly coreward) in the Galactic Economy (from when there were richer times on Vjun). The reason we provide these things is that the majority of Lords are not only interested in making a profit, they wish to build communities and rebuild our world to it's former standing.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Draken_Turot | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 7:02 PM | Message # 12 |
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| This bill is garbage! Absolute garbage! Senator Oriel is responsible for Vjun! Not Mr. Goodchild, whom we all know cannot stand Senator Oriel and the principles that he stands for! The Cronese Mandate may be suffering at the moment, but that does NOT mean that you can spread that disease to the rest of us! Against!
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Sunday, 15 Jan 2012, 7:18 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Senators, the bill has been withdrawn. Let us move on, shall we?
Sate Pestage
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Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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