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Motion for Military Action in response to Caluula Massacre
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Tuesday, 31 Jan 2012, 5:01 PM | Message # 16 |
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| Please correct me if I am wrong, and I have no doubt that several of you will not hesitate, but I did not once hear Representative Goodchild actually state that he was proposing to invade Caluula. Provide aide to protect the lives of Ethnic Cronese, yes, but invade? Take over? I do not truly believe that this is what he wants. Is it, Representative?
I am not sure why this is turning into such an argument here. Send ships in peace, evacuate those who want it, and give medical attention to anyone else that is needed. Is it not that simple? Why does it have to be all out war or nothing at all?
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Wednesday, 01 Feb 2012, 1:01 AM | Message # 17 |
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| There has not once been mention of the Cronese Mandate invading the world of Caluula, we have merely made clear out intention to see order restored on the world, and an acting Regency Council set up to mediate the dispute between the Caluulan people and the Ethnic Cronese, yet it would appear that, that simple fact has been lost on Senators like Senator Ordan and Senator Cambrist. The Cronese Mandate only seeks to aid the people that wish to leave Caluula, an action that when taken was barred by the Caluulan Government with threats of firing upon a medical ship that was carrying medics and aid for the injured Ethnic Cronese. We now have reports that the leaders of the work unions have taken control of the central government building and are calling for the Cronese Mandate's aid.
This is now more than a simple motion, this is a Declaration of Intent to AID the injured Ethnic Cronese, and to Evacuate, the innocent women and children, that wish to leave Caluula, that have been caught in the deadly crossfire. One which the Government of Caluula seems to have overlooked. We merely wish to help the Ethnic Cronese, and aid those that want to leave, in doing so. I warn though, that these are diplomatic relief vessels that are being sent to Caluula and will be defended.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Wednesday, 01 Feb 2012, 7:41 AM | Message # 18 |
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| Perhaps it would be more diplomatic, Senator Goodchild, and allay concerns that others in the Senate might have about the perceived intentions of the Mandate, were this to be changed to a request for other worlds to send humanitarian aid to Caluula to tend to those wounded and displaced by these riots?
I have spoken with King Leonard, and he has ordered Fleet Admiral Damar to dispatch the ETSF medical frigate Teta under the escort of two cruisers, the Phoros and the Keres to offer such a humanitarian resource to the Caluulan system.
Lady Avadrie volFyr
Senator of Empress Teta
Defense Committee Member
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 01 Feb 2012, 11:09 AM | Message # 19 |
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| Quote (Mr_Goodchild) 1. The Cronese Mandate will land forces to restore order in Caluula City and on the planet of Caluula
2. The Cronese Mandate will establish a regency council to maintain order
3. The Cronese Mandate will relocate Ethnic Cronese to worlds in the Cronese Mandate
4. The Cronese Mandate will bring the persons responsible for the Caluula Massacre, on both sides, to justice
"An invasion is a military offensive consisting of all, or large parts of the armed forces of one geopolitical entity aggressively entering territory controlled by another such entity, generally with the objective of either conquering, liberating or re-establishing control or authority over a territory, forcing the partition of a country, altering the established government or gaining concessions from said government, or a combination thereof."
Quote (Mr_Goodchild) There has not once been mention of the Cronese Mandate invading the world of Caluula
And Senator Goodchild calls us hypocrites! I agree completely with Senator volFyr. The Cronese Mandate has a cock in this fight and thus should step aside to permit impartial third parties, such as Empress Teta or even the Empire, for that matter, to render assistance. Cronese ships or soldiers on Caluula would be seen as an invading force that is destabilizing to Caluula and its society, a society that the ethnic Cronese including Senator Goodchild seem to have little or no regard for.
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Wednesday, 01 Feb 2012, 11:36 AM | Message # 20 |
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| I think it is revealing that the foreign policy adventures of the Cronese Mandate into the domestic affairs of it's neighbours are constantly marked by the widespread spilling of blood. In proposing this motion it only seems a civil war has been provoked? Is that a desirable outcome for anyone?
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
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Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Wednesday, 01 Feb 2012, 12:18 PM | Message # 21 |
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| Once again Eriadu has to be the adult of the Outer Rim and put an end to this game of punch buggy. I'm sending a Dreadnaught to Caluula, its more than big enough to handle refugees and make the Tionese and Cronese think before they shoot or invade each other. So go home everyone, Sluissis, Cronies, all of you. I got this. (Empress Teta can come.. there should be an observer from the Core).
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Wednesday, 01 Feb 2012, 12:32 PM | Message # 22 |
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| I have a report from Admiral Damar of the ETSF that the Teta, Keres and Phoros are currently enroute to Caluula.
Lady Avadrie volFyr
Senator of Empress Teta
Defense Committee Member
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Wednesday, 01 Feb 2012, 12:34 PM | Message # 23 |
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| Senators this has gone far beyond what it's intention was. I have just received reports from out vessels at Caluula. A flight of fighters escorting two unarmed and medical marked shuttles was attacked when they attempted to land on Caluula to offer aid to the injured innocent women and children in the Cronese Neighborhood. Being overwhelmed, the fighter escort was forced to break off in an attempt to defend the medical vessels. The shuttles in turn were fired upon even after the pilots attempted to warn the Caluula fighters that they were medical shuttles. Reports indicate that both Medical shuttles have been shot down. They impacted into the Cronese Neighborhood, killing the crew and medics on board, as well as countless innocent women and children.
The Caluula Government has just broken the law which offers protection to medical personnel. The Cronese Mandate must now act in full.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Wednesday, 01 Feb 2012, 12:39 PM | Message # 24 |
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| Senator Goodchild, with as much furor has been caused in the Senate over Mandate intervention, your government chose to escalate the situation by sending craft into the system?
A medical flotilla from Empress Teta is enroute. Other organizations are available, such as GalacticAid, to care for those displaced by the rioting and ongoing violence. Why did your government choose to provoke more violence - as it surely had to know this would be the result.
Empress Teta calls for the Cronese Mandate to pull back its forces and allow Eriadu and Empress Teta to remedy this tragedy as best can be done. Surely it is in no one's best interests to continue the violence as continued Mandate involvement will surely create due to the already high tensions.
Lady Avadrie volFyr
Senator of Empress Teta
Defense Committee Member
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 02 Feb 2012, 2:56 AM | Message # 25 |
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| On a point of law, I think it is dubious wether these Cronese vessels can be considered protected under current Law. Being painted with an obscure symbol associated with the Jedi does not seem a reasonable substitute for the rules statements of a requirement for luminescent paint and the painting of an "M" on the hull. Furthermore entering airspace which has been stated to be off limits could be considered aggressive action.
Frankly, flying ships when told not to, over an area of civilian population, is highly irresponsible - what did you expect to happen? And it is within the rights of the Caluulan Government to protect their airspace - in my opinion imposing yourself without permission is utterly illegal and disrespects their sovereignty.
May I restate once again the Defence Committee's call for an end to hostilities via an immediate ceasefire.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Augusta_Aurelius | Date: Thursday, 02 Feb 2012, 4:18 AM | Message # 26 |
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| Deralia asks that the chair recognizes Major Cesare Greco of the Deralian Special Forces to the floor, via holo from Caluula.
Augusta Aurelius
Queen Conosrt of Deralia
Chair of the Human Rights Monitoring and Crisis Resolution Sub-Committee of the Planetary Defense Committee
Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (30 BBY - 18 BBY, 10 BBY - Present)
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Thursday, 02 Feb 2012, 6:50 AM | Message # 27 |
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| Senators, shouldn't we cut the Cronese Mandate a little slack? I mean they are just seeking to go and help other people. I must say that I too am concerned by the Ethnic nature of their statements and by the martial way this has been handled so far. And I too am confused at exactly what is happening on the ground.
I believe trying to save people's lives is a good thing and commend the Cronese for this. In future though I wonder if they might consider that that discretion is the better part of valor...
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Thursday, 02 Feb 2012, 9:06 AM | Message # 28 |
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| No. The Cronese Mandate is acting foolishly and causing more deaths than it's preventing. This is absurd. Senator Goodchild, were you or were you not warned to keep your ships out of Caluula's space? I think it's criminally irresponsible to send medical personnel to Caluula on Cronese ships when Caluula has expressly stated that Cronese ships will be fired upon. I agree with Senator Oriel and Senator volFyr, and there appears to be agreement on this, that the Cronese Mandate should stay away from Caluula and let impartial third parties render assistance—parties that haven't threatened to invade the planet and won't be seen as ethnic conquerors.
I call upon the Cronese Mandate to stop playing with innocent lives and using them as pawns in its ethnocolonialist game.
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Thursday, 02 Feb 2012, 10:52 AM | Message # 29 |
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| Senators, this has gone on long enough. The following events are as they have happened.
The Cronese Mandate informed the Ruling Council of their intent to move, the Ruling Council denied military action upon Caluula, which the Cronese Mandate Respected
The Cronese Mandate sent Medical vessels to aid the Ethnic Cronese and evacuate those that wished to leave. The Caluula government threatened to fire upon the Medical vessels and denied us from aiding the Ethnic Cronese or allowing them to leave.
The Cronese Mandate was approached by civilian medics who requested they be taken to Caluula, which the Cronese Mandate did. The vessels, unarmed civilian marked medical vessels proceeded to land on Caluula to render aid, at which time Krenn opened fire and destroyed the civilian shuttles not associated with the Cronese, which caused both shuttles to crash into the Cronese Quarter, killing innocent women and children.
The Cronese Mandate under the Intra-Imperial Relations Act and following the rules of Jus in Bello acted under the rules of Distinction, which Krenn did not do by purposely opening fire on a civilian medical shuttle resulting in the deaths of unarmed innocents that had nothing to do with the riots. It was at this time that the Cronese Mandate acted as it has now done. By Law, the Cronese Mandate is in the right.
Now, reports are coming in of vessels from the Auril Sector, whom have not previously contacted the Ruling Council within a proper time of action before their time, as well as vessels from Deralia, whom has also not previously informed the Ruling Council within a proper time before taking action. Currently the Auril Sector vessels have opened fired, illegally I might add, upon the Cronese Vessels, which in turn are defending themselves. I call upon the Chair to clarify if the Auri Sector Vessels or Deralian Vessel has indeed informed the Ruling Council of their actions against another Imperial World with proper time given before they took action.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 02 Feb 2012, 2:17 PM | Message # 30 |
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| First you claim these shuttles are Medics, now you claim they are civilians? If theyre civilians why are they deployed from an arm ship after declaring an intention to attack? I find this extremely dubious. If I flew a squadron of unarmed vessels to the Cronese Mandate and dropped supplies to rebels - would this be a military or civilian Act? No I think the lady doth protest a little too much.
As for the Auril Sector and Deralian vessels, their actions are clearly governed by the Amendment made to the Act by Senator Cambrist - if your actions are permitted - so are theirs.
The law is on their side Mr Goodchild, it is your world which sent bombers and warships to Caluulan airspace (with medics which did not comply with the law on medics) - the Caluulan Government made their policy clear and you thought you were above it. I say the Cronese Mandate is not above planetary Sovereignty!
Senator Hubert Ordan
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