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A Resolution Condemning the Khedive of the Sluis Sector
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Monday, 06 Feb 2012, 11:41 PM | Message # 1 |
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A Resolution Condemning the Khedive of the Sluis Sector
The Senate hereby condemns the former Khedive of the Sluis Sector, Candobar Inglet, for his traitorous support, in the Clone Wars, of the Confederacy of Independent Systems over the armies of the Old Republic, during which the title of "Khedive" became (and remains) synonymous with Separatist anti-Human sentiments and alien supremacy, and the lives of tens of thousands of Humans and Sluissis were expended in pointless conflict under his non-Human rule.
I vote in favor.
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Monday, 06 Feb 2012, 11:57 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Senator Cambrist, while it is fitting to condemn the actions of Candobar Inglet, the former Khedive of the Sluis Sector, to condemn the very title of 'Khedive' simply because of the misguided views of one being is akin to saying our esteemed Emperor Palpatine is a horrible being because other beings in the past, notably the Emperor of the Sith Empire of old, utilized the title 'emperor.' A title does not make a man, Senator Cambrist. Druckenwell votes against.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 0:03 AM | Message # 3 |
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| Senator Ryuun will find that the text of the resolution is directed specifically at Candobar Inglet. I implore him not to remind the Senate of Druckenwell's Separatist past by opposing a resolution that condemns Separatist treachery. If Druckenwell repudiates its own Separatist past it should repudiate that of Sluis Van, too.
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 0:07 AM | Message # 4 |
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| The bill may be directed at Candobar Inglet as a person, yet seems to contain wording that condemns the very title of Khedive itself; this is neither fair nor acceptable, Senator. As well, trying to cast Druckenwell's past in the face of the Senate is simply your own roundabout way of trying to get me to back down, which I shall not. All men know that I served in the Republic during the Clone Wars and not the Separatists. While no people are happy of the past, we are not about to abolish certain things simply because of a connection to the past.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 0:14 AM | Message # 5 |
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| I don't want you to "back down," necessarily. I'd like it if you did what is right and vote to condemn Candobar Inglet for using racial politics to deliver the Sluis Sector to the tyrannical grip of the Separatists in the Clone Wars, and bringing about tens of thousands of needless deaths in his treachery to the Republic. The language of the resolution notes that Candobar Inglet made the title of "Khedive" synonymous with "Separatist anti-Human sentiments and alien supremacy," and this is an unfortunate fact that subsequent "Khedives" must deal with.
It won't do to deny history, Senator. We'll only repeat it again, as some in the Sluis Sector would like to do today.
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 0:18 AM | Message # 6 |
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| I do fully condemn the actions of Candobar Inglet when he was acting as Khedive of the Sluis Sector. There is no doubt of that. However, unless the wording is changed so that future Khedives might be able to work to uphold the Sluis Sector without constant reminders of their predecessor's bad actions weighing them down without even a chance; when such comments make people believe that all Sluissi are willing to rise up again as Separatists, I cannot vote in favor of this bill.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 0:31 AM | Message # 7 |
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| That is why you should vote for the resolution, Senator. I expect these rumors to persist until the history of that troubled time is settled, and it won't be settled as long as it continues to be denied here in the Senate Rotunda. Understanding the past is the first step to moving beyond it; denying the past will see it happen all over again. We must be firm and call a spade a spade.
I understand that Sluis Van is a trading partner of Druckenwell, but if supporting its history of Separatist indiscretions is a condition of this trading relationship that's demanded of you, for the sake of your reputation and that of your world it may not be worth the credits.
Message edited by Senator_Cambrist - Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 0:32 AM |
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 8:30 AM | Message # 8 |
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| Senator Cambrist, you seem to enjoy throwing the wrongs others have done in the faces of those who currently hold their former offices. Candobar Inglet was quite wrong in his actions, and Sluis Van is more than willing to condemn him and his policies. However, the majority of the Sluis Sector, human and Sluissi alike, will agree wholeheartedly that the title of Khedive does not represent anti-human sentiments. If anything, Khedive Thisst has pushed for more equal rights between humans and Sluissi to ensure that his predecessor's ill deeds were not seen to be his own. I cannot, in good conscience, support the condemnation of the title of Khedive itself, but Sluis Van will support a condemnation of Candobar Inglet as a sentient.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 08 Feb 2012, 11:59 AM | Message # 9 |
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| Quote (A Resolution Condemning the Khedive of the Sluis Sector) The Senate hereby condemns the former Khedive of the Sluis Sector, Candobar Inglet
I've already explained this to Senator Ryuun, who appears to be Sluis Van's "point man" on the Separatist issue. I won't explain it again, because it's apparent that Sluis Van is determined to oppose any and all criticism of its Separatist past either because it's proud of this past or because of its racial paranoia of everything Brentaal does, to the point of opposing a resolution that Senator Domon says he agrees with. There's simply no arguing with this.
This is a resolution condemning the treasonous Candobar Inglet for his collaboration with Separatists in the Clone Wars. That is all.
Message edited by Senator_Cambrist - Wednesday, 08 Feb 2012, 12:13 PM |
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| Avram_Kirkwood | Date: Thursday, 09 Feb 2012, 0:38 AM | Message # 10 |
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| In Favor
The Honorable Avram W. Kirkwood
Senator of the Cygnus Star Empire
General, Imperial Army (Ret.)
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| Augusta_Aurelius | Date: Thursday, 09 Feb 2012, 1:00 AM | Message # 11 |
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| I helped stand against the Separatists on my homeworld. I stood against them in this very chamber throughout the war. I will stand against them again in this legislation. In Favor.
Augusta Aurelius
Queen Conosrt of Deralia
Chair of the Human Rights Monitoring and Crisis Resolution Sub-Committee of the Planetary Defense Committee
Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (30 BBY - 18 BBY, 10 BBY - Present)
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Friday, 10 Feb 2012, 1:00 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Empress Teta votes in favor of this resolution.
Lady Avadrie volFyr
Senator of Empress Teta
Defense Committee Member
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Saturday, 11 Feb 2012, 6:37 AM | Message # 13 |
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| If that is indeed all it is, Senator Cambrist, then Sluis Van will indeed vote in favor.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Saturday, 11 Feb 2012, 2:14 PM | Message # 14 |
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| I see the wisdom in this measure, Senator Cambrist; a dual condemnation of Separatism and of Candobar Inglet that is highly laudable. Yet, I also see the other side of the argument in which the current Khedive could be seen in a negative light. To this end, Lorrd abstains from this vote.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
Chosen of House Garth
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Saturday, 11 Feb 2012, 3:09 PM | Message # 15 |
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| Sluis Van is voting in favor, I would argue that would render any argument against this bill mute.
Lady Avadrie volFyr
Senator of Empress Teta
Defense Committee Member
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