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A Resolution Condemning the King of the Cronese Mandate
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Monday, 06 Feb 2012, 11:44 PM | Message # 1 |
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A Resolution Condemning the Kings of Deralia and the Cronese Mandate
The Senate hereby condemns King Deralius of Deralia and Lord Robeir of the Cronese Mandate for public comments deriding the Senate as an institution and attacking the character and motives of its Senators (among the remarks, this from King Deralius; "being loyal to the Emperor instead of the Senate and it's ever changing fads and celebrity causes will get you punished, chastised, and forsaken," and this from Lord Robeir; "it's clear that the [h]ypocrisy and [c]orruption that ran rampant in the Old Republic Senate is still alive and well in this new 'Imperial' Senate").
The Senate additionally affirms that dispassionate consideration of the issues by the duly elected or otherwise selected representatives of the people is the surest method of conflict resolution that has been devised in the history of the galaxy and that to disparage the institution of the Senate for doing its duty is shamefully opportunist and disgusting.
I vote in favor.
Message edited by Senator_Cambrist - Monday, 13 Feb 2012, 9:19 AM |
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 4:04 AM | Message # 2 |
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| I believe this to be the right course of actions. Telos IV votes in favor.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 8:50 AM | Message # 3 |
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| Chandrila also votes in favo.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 4:09 PM | Message # 4 |
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| So your response to Lord Robeir and Mr Deralius using their freedom of speech, is to use the Senate's Power to condemn them for speaking, and in turn proving their statements. I'm also surprised that Senator Fowlkes and Thanatos are voting in favor of punishing people for using their right of free speech against an institution that was carried over from the Old Republic.
The Cronese Mandate votes against
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Draken_Turot | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 4:14 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Let it be known that no one is exempt from the Emperor's will! Acherin is IN FAVOR!
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 4:22 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Senator Ray of Acherin, explain to me how this is the Emperor's Will. Did this Bill come from the Emperor, was it hand written by the Emperor, did the Emperor contact Senator Cambrist and tell him he wished for a bill protecting the Senate idea that is a hold over from the Old Republic. How is Senator Cambrist, using a system from the Old Republic to condemn the rights of an Imperial Citizen the Emperor's Will. We can not assume to know what the Emperor's Will is.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Draken_Turot | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 4:25 PM | Message # 7 |
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| My name, you traitor, is Draken Tu'Rot! And the answer to your question is an obvious one! The Emperor himself guides this Senate, and all of those that seek to do injustice and not follow the Emperor's Will of Peace will pay the price! And you claiming that the Emperor's Will is unknown even proves that you are a rebel loyalist and a traitor to the Imperial Cause!
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 4:30 PM | Message # 8 |
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| If you read closely Mr. Tu'Rot, I was specifically asking you how you know what the Emperor's Will is, as you continue to claim and state what the Emperor's intentions are, when none of us mere Senators can fathom what the Emperor's Will is, yet you seem to be so close to the Emperor as to claim to know exactly what his Will is. Just as I must ask the question of how am I a rebel loyalist and traitor for merely stating the fact that none of us know what the Emperor's Will is until he, the Emperor, makes his Will known to us. Also Mr. Tu'Rot, I came from a world that supported the Empire, not rebelled against it the moment that it was established, as Acherin had.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Draken_Turot | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 4:34 PM | Message # 9 |
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| And look where you are at, traitor! And if you followed history closely, the Emperor established the Empire in the name of Peace and Stability! That is the Emperor's Will!
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 4:38 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Mr. Tu'Rot, it would appear that you're the only one that seems to throw the word Traitor around without a second thought, and with no proof. It makes me question your loyalty to the Empire as you seem content to throw out accusations against others. The Cronese Mandate will still continue to vote against this Resolution meant to quiet Imperial Citizens by using an institution of the Old Republic.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Draken_Turot | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 4:40 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Question my loyalty?! Senator, your actions and the actions of your Mandate speak louder for where your loyalty lies! And it is not with the Empire!
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 8:51 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Must I remind you, Representativer Goodchild, slander serves a very different purpose from speaking with a free speech. Accusing the Senators of retaining corruption over from the Old Republic is a very serious offense. While I am firmly in support of freedom of speech, as the Telosians are strong advocates for such and so are Chandrilans and Garosians, accusing the Senate for retaining corruption is not a freedom of speech. You are walking along the lines of slander. Whatever the Emperor's will is, I am certain he is not pleased with Robeir on this.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 8:59 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Quote (Tremaine_Fowlkes) You are walking along the lines of slander.
Senator Fowlkes, I would remind you that it was Lord Robeir who made the remarks about the Senate, of which is his own opinion. I did not realize though that an opinion voiced to the people would still be marked as slander, though I see more and more that the Senate would rather claim slander than allow someone their opinion of a system carried over from the corrupt Old Republic, which this Glorious Empire has replaced.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2012, 11:37 PM | Message # 14 |
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| Thank you for reminding me that it was Robeir, and not you, Representative Goodchild. However, like I said, I am a strong advocate for freedom of speech and that can be taken away if it meant committing slander. If he want to express an opinion on a particular issue, he is more than welcomed to. He can do so without accusing a particular group of people. If he does think corruption is very much alive in the Senate, then evidences should be brought to the light. I am sure the Ethics Committee would be very willing to hear about a such thing.
If and when Robeir brings evidence, I am certain Moff Verilia would be glad to hear he isn't alone in terms of corruption.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Wednesday, 08 Feb 2012, 0:34 AM | Message # 15 |
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| Speaker, Message, Means, Barriers, Receiver. These things must be considered when making public statements, or well - any sort of communication to speak of.
Lord Robeiir and King Deralius are planetary rulers. They have a platform that affords them considerable standing and commands quite the audience (their subjects), so when a person is such a position makes statements rather damaging to the Imperial cause - or carrying quite heavy implications (treason, corruption, etc), one must be willing to either back up their statements or not make them in the first place.
I call for the persons in question to either support their statements with hard evidence, or recant them.
For that matter, King Leonard Damar of Empress Teta wanted me to share his thoughts on the matter;
"Simply put Senator volFyr, a man is entitled to his opinion. He may hold them in his mind, he may speak them in confidence to those he trusts. A King is not entitled to his own opinion, for his opinion is held as the opinion of his people when he speaks. So he must choose his words carefully and his actions even more so."
Simply put, when a planetary ruler speaks they are speaking for the people they represent, hence the concern, Senator Goodchild, when a planetary ruler make such inflammatory remarks.
Empress Teta votes in favor, unless of course either of the parties comes forward with hard evidence to back up their claims of corruption within the Senate.
Lady Avadrie volFyr
Senator of Empress Teta
Defense Committee Member
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