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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Saturday, 28 Apr 2012, 8:21 AM | Message # 16 |
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| So you vote for a flawed bill? What a very alien philosophy? Just because he represents an agricultural world does not mean that he is somehow qualified to judge if he needs to be given free money? Surely that is precisely the reason he is not suitable to comment because it's a matter of personal conflict of interest? The bill needs more than modification, it needs re-writing, from the ground, in appropriate language and with completely different provisions.
That is to say, perhaps some agricultural legislation is appropriate, but not this legislation? So why vote in favour of it? To me, when a bill needs modification one does not vote in it's favour. One votes against or abstains until it's written correctly. Naturally though, I understand that this is merely an attempt to curry funds for your own Outer Rim Sector and others like it at the expense of the rest of the Galaxy.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Saturday, 28 Apr 2012, 8:33 AM | Message # 17 |
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| Once again, Senator Ordan, you miss the point. Perhaps if you looked closer at my wording, you would understand it.
That being said, the Sluis Sector is actually quite well off for an Outer Rim Sector, and this bill would hardly benefit us. I forget, though, that the Core Worlds such as Anaxes see the Outer Rim as unnecessary and likely a waste of credits; an attitude reflected in your tone and words, Senator. I have nothing further to debate on this matter.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Saturday, 28 Apr 2012, 8:37 AM | Message # 18 |
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| And Senator Domon bases his opinion too much on media coverage. I see the Rim as an important part of the Galaxy, but it should have to work like everyone else. I will always oppose indiscriminate socialistic handouts for any region. And I can tell you, that if they need to borrow money, and can guarantee a return on that investment, then that is what agricultural investment banks are for.. I believe that is the method which made the Core what it was today, not handouts.
That said, if any act were to pass it would have to be equal in its treatment for Deep Core, Core, Colonies, Expansion Region, and Mid Rim, as well as just the Outer Rim, which while important is in reality the least populated and least important part of the Galaxy.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Saturday, 28 Apr 2012, 8:47 AM | Message # 19 |
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| Rather than suffer more by watching the Sluissi and the Anaxsi argue, I will echo Senator Ryuun's commentary on another bill and request that this particular item be tabled until the reopening of the Senate and the new year. There's no point in engaging in this debate at the moment, gentlebeings.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
Chosen of House Garth
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Saturday, 28 Apr 2012, 8:50 AM | Message # 20 |
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| One argues with an equal, one informs a sub-human.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Foreign Minister of Anaxes
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Saturday, 28 Apr 2012, 9:01 AM | Message # 21 |
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| Well then, Senator Ordan, I feel I must inform you that I am requesting this bill be tabled. Allow the Senate to close out its session on a peaceful note and not with arguing that could be spared. If the Sluissi wants to vote in favor, let him vote in favor. If you'd have listened better, Senator Ordan, you might see that his voting in favor strikes a learned man as extremely conditional. Of course, this might be a curse of those of us on the Outer Rim, but some of us actually study. Either way, I'm sure Senator Domon had his reasons for voting the way he did.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
Chosen of House Garth
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Sunday, 29 Apr 2012, 8:46 AM | Message # 22 |
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| Having rather studied this bill a little more indepth, and taken into account the financial situation of Dantooine and a few other agriculture worlds, I purpose that rather then making this a topic of tax relief, that rather a Agricultural Fund be established to help those worlds of agriculture classification in the event the planet itself falls upon hard time. I also purpose that donations be the main supplier of funds for this, and if the Grand Vizier will allow a small amount of credits to placed into a separate account for this fund, then I ask that it be done so. But this of course falls upon Senator Abrams if he wishes to continue with his idea, or rather amend this legislation to be a fund.
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Sunday, 29 Apr 2012, 6:55 PM | Message # 23 |
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| I support this bill if next we propose a subsidy for the carbonite producers in the galaxy, and after that one for those with the highest percentage of citizens serving in the Imperial military, then next one for the bankers...I do not mean to be rude or flippant Senators, but let us reward the delivery man for making his rounds, the news anchor for delivering the news and the baker for doing their jobs by receiving their just compensation that they already receive for services provided.
Lady Avadrie volFyr
Senator of Empress Teta
Defense Committee Member
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| Ronium_Abram | Date: Monday, 30 Apr 2012, 10:24 AM | Message # 24 |
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| Hemei IV withdraws the bill.
Ronium Abram
Senator of Hemei IV
Representative of Shumogi
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Monday, 30 Apr 2012, 7:52 PM | Message # 25 |
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| While I'm sympathetic to Senator volFyr's remarks on this, I'm also in favor of this proposed tax cut. I find myself in agreement with Senator Ordan on the subject of "handing out" farming equipment to Outer Rim worlds; I would support a program to help planets afford more modern farming equipment that can't otherwise afford it, but not handing it out for free. And in this or any other case, there needs to be more specificity in what worlds this bill applies to--is it based on need? On GDP, then? Or a specific ratio of agricultural output to arable land? While I'm not in favor of new bureaucracy, this bill seems to be in need of a body that can judge which worlds would receive assistance, and how much assistance they would receive. Some sort of committee or, preferably, empower an existing committee to do this.
I'm not sure I would support this, mind you. But I suspect it's in the spirit of what Senator Abram is proposing here. When he re-introduces the measure in our next session of the Senate, I'll review his version and reconsider my position, but for the time being I remain in favor of this tax cut and against handouts and new bureaucracy.
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Monday, 30 Apr 2012, 7:56 PM | Message # 26 |
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| So ordered, the bill is withdrawn.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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