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The Burden of Proof Act
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Wednesday, 04 Jul 2012, 9:51 AM | Message # 1 |
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| Fact: More than 90% of criminal cases with alien defendants over the last ten years have ended in convictions. Traditionally, the burden of proof in a court case is on the prosecution to prove the guilt of the defendant, but with so many aliens guilty in so many cases, this is obviously an unreasonable burden. I propose that the burden of proof in cases with alien defendants be on the defense, not the prosecution. Henceforth, there will be a presumption of guilt in these cases and the defense must prove the innocence of its client. I vote in favor.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Wednesday, 04 Jul 2012, 10:57 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Governor Oswaldt, this is indeed a true if unfortunate fact. However, to presume guilt against any being seems to infringe upon the rights every sentient is afforded. 'Innocent until proven guilty' has long been a valid standing in courts and it is much more difficult to keep a jury unbiased if guilt is already presumed. In the case of this bill, I fear I must vote against.
Alyn Stark
Lord of Kinyov
Senior Captain, Retired, Republic Navy
Head of House Malos (former)
Licensed bounty hunter
Majority shareholder, Lorrd Engineering
Owner, Stark Defense Conglomerate
Civilian Medal of Honor recipient
Representative, Lorrd (10 BBY-9 BBY)
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Sunday, 08 Jul 2012, 10:37 AM | Message # 3 |
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| Reprobate.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Wednesday, 11 Jul 2012, 10:17 AM | Message # 4 |
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| This is blatant speciesism, Senator Oswaldt. Sluis Van is heavily against this measure.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Wednesday, 11 Jul 2012, 1:32 PM | Message # 5 |
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| No, Chandrila is very firmly voting against this measure.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Wednesday, 11 Jul 2012, 1:56 PM | Message # 6 |
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| I vote firmly in favour of this measure because it is based on fact - because it is based on the rectitude of imposing justice where it is appropriate. Aliens such as the Sluissi think they are above the law - this needs to end.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Wednesday, 11 Jul 2012, 2:07 PM | Message # 7 |
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| I would like to see myself as the voice of moderation these days. While I am in favor of this act, though I dislike the reasoning behind it, I would ask Senator Ordan not to single out the Sluissi, whom, I believe, do not see themselves as above the law at all. This is a gross aspersion being cast against an entire race.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Draken_Turot | Date: Wednesday, 11 Jul 2012, 6:45 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Excellent, Governor Oswaldt!!!!
Pure genius! Acherin backs this and votes in favor!!
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Friday, 13 Jul 2012, 9:47 AM | Message # 9 |
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| This bill is based on the facts. If the facts are speciesist, Senator Domon, then your problem is bigger than me or my bill. Aliens have only themselves to blame for this, by-and-large a vulgar lot, given to criminality. I don't think we should waste time presuming innocence when 9 times out of 10 alien suspects are guilty.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Sunday, 15 Jul 2012, 7:47 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Justice isn't based on assumptions, as this bill is. Guilt isn't assumed, it's demonstrated with evidence and that burden of proof is, correctly, on the party that's making the accusation, whatever it is against whomever it's made. This is what makes for a rigorous system of justice that's interested in finding the truth, rather than reinforcing the popular assumptions—and prejudices—of the day. I vote against.
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| Augusta_Aurelius | Date: Tuesday, 07 Aug 2012, 10:04 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Presumption of guilt has not, and will not, work in any judicial system. I can not say things any better than the words of Senator Cambrist on this measure, so I shall merely vote Against this bill.
Augusta Aurelius
Queen Conosrt of Deralia
Chair of the Human Rights Monitoring and Crisis Resolution Sub-Committee of the Planetary Defense Committee
Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (30 BBY - 18 BBY, 10 BBY - Present)
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Tuesday, 07 Aug 2012, 10:06 PM | Message # 12 |
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| If it's true that non-Human defendants are convicted in 90% of criminal cases, the problem, obviously, is with the so-called "justice" system. Why, when the system is so favorable to the conviction of aliens, should we make it even more so? What happened to justice being blind? This proposal is as absurd as it is racist.
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Tuesday, 07 Aug 2012, 10:43 PM | Message # 13 |
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| With 37.5% in favor and 62.5% opposed, it would appear the measure is defeated.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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