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Senatorial Investigation into Sluis Van Shipyards
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| Schmuel_Kadram | Date: Sunday, 08 Jul 2012, 11:44 AM | Message # 1 |
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| Senators,
I propose the following motion.
"In line with the recent acts of terrorism allegedly enacted by Sluis Van and it's namesake shipyard upon it's customer Vjun, this Senate finds it unsatisfactory that Sluis Van ought to be able to conduct it's own investigation internally.
Thus it is proposed that a Senatorial Commission be formed to investigate the matter thoroughly, and all associated rumors of bad practice at Sluis Van Shipyards and in the Sluissi Government Generally.
We propose the following members. As Chairman, Senator Oswaldt - a man with a sound understanding of shipbuilding and whom holding an Imperial Governor's commission will no doubt hold the interests of the Empire close to his heart, also lately Chairman of the Ethics Committee.
As Vice Chairman, Senator Ordan, a Naval man with a heroic background both sides of the Clone Wars, he further serves as a senior member of the Commission to Preserve the New Order and Senate Ethics Committee - a truly trustworthy candidate.
And finally, we nominate the moderate Senator Kirkwood, a technical wizard from a small shipyard, I have no doubt that his depth and breadth of knowledge would be extremely useful in discerning the more technical matters to be analysed concerning technical malpractice at Sluis Van Shipyards.
The Commission will perform a full investigation and present their suggestions for approval by the Senate as soon as their report is made available."
Schmuel Kadram
Governor of Rothana
Junior Vice President of Operations KDY
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Sunday, 08 Jul 2012, 11:57 AM | Message # 2 |
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| I will not back this motion, Senator Kadram. I am and always will be a full follower of Human High Culture, but Governor Oswaldt has always been a firm speciest with a specific bent against Senator Domon and has been quite vocal in the most recent past and more distant past about his distrust and dislike of the Sluissi.
I can also not back Senator Ordan, who is also quite speciest and sexist, although to a lesser degree than Governor Oswaldt.
I see no reason to disqualify Senator Kirkwood. If anything, I know little of the man and he is one of the quieter voices within the Senate.
I would instead nominate in their places Senator Aurelius as Chairwoman, for her ability to resolve disputes and fairness, and as Vice-chairman, Representative Stark who also has a heroic Naval background from the Clone Wars who has done much to assist the galaxy with GalacticAid and who holds technical expertise about a number of systems. Perhaps if some of these changes could be adapted, then I would be supportive. I want a fair investigation, Senator Kadram.
For now, Druckenwell votes against.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 08 Jul 2012, 12:09 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Naturally Vjun votes in favour, we think it's time Sluis Van opened up.
Senator Stark, while he may have a good war record, he remains a freshman Senator with a vested interest (too much of an interest in light of his mutual support with Senator Domon (Senator Domon voting for him, him supporting Senator Domon's world against other humans), charity work is irrelevant in terms of law and justice experience.
Senator Ordan is a skilled legal mind with the background of a polymath - clearly suitable for the role. Governor Oswaldt is a good believer in Human High Culture, you, Mr Ryuun, are not. High human culture needs to be represented on all levels and while we wouldn't support Senator Aurelia being on the commission even as a member. We do believe that it is in the best interest of the Empire to see a leader on the Committee who is not from a world so recently mired in allegations of foul play after it's state terrorism on Dantooine, and whom has so lately been mired in scandal herself.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Sunday, 08 Jul 2012, 12:19 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Don't be ridiculous, Ryuun. Stark is the least qualified person in the Senate to head up this investigation and you know it. He's been on the job for a week, he's a law-breaker, and he's got conflicts of interest like tentacles all over his body. You accuse me of an anti-Sluissi bias, so you want someone with a pro-Sluissi bias instead? Who do you trust to find the facts? Look, I'm not politically correct... I don't pretend that people and aliens are the same, like Senator Deralia(ius? Aurelia? ius?). But there are facts to be found here, that's what this is about. Biased or not, I can find the facts of this case and it doesn't matter if you trust me or not.. You can see the facts for yourself and make up your own mind.
"Heroic naval background." Give me a break. Losing a leg in the service doesn't qualify me to head this investigation. My Medal of Gallantry doesn't qualify me. My experience in the Senate and as Governor qualify me. Alyn Stark? I get that you're on the man's payroll, Ryuun, but I didn't think you'd make a joke of yourself on his behalf. Speaking of investigations, someone really needs to look into this improper Ryuun/Stark relationship.Added (08 Jul 2012, 12:19 PM)
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I agree with Senator Oriel about Hubert, too. I vote in favor.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Sunday, 08 Jul 2012, 12:33 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Governor Oswaldt, always unpleasant as ever, I see.
Senator Ryuun, while I appreciate your nomination in this matter, I would ask you to withdraw my name from this committee. I have far too many things to take care of and I fear yet another hat would drain all of my free time. I do have a personal life and people who wish me to be around, after all.
If anything, I would nominate Senator Ryuun, who isn't on my payroll regardless of how many ghosts Governor Oswaldt sees there, for a position on this committee. Senator Ryuun also happens to be Vice-chair of the Defense Committee, I might add, and an ideal replacement for Senator Ordan, seeing as Governor Oswaldt could represent the Ethics Committee. Senator Oriel, naturally, cannot represent the Defense Committee in this matter, being the plaintiff in this matter more or less.
I would vote in favor if this change was made.
Alyn Stark
Lord of Kinyov
Senior Captain, Retired, Republic Navy
Head of House Malos (former)
Licensed bounty hunter
Majority shareholder, Lorrd Engineering
Owner, Stark Defense Conglomerate
Civilian Medal of Honor recipient
Representative, Lorrd (10 BBY-9 BBY)
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Sunday, 08 Jul 2012, 12:35 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Senator Ryuun. Senator Stark. Is there a difference?
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Sunday, 08 Jul 2012, 1:02 PM | Message # 7 |
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| I'd say there is, Governor. Senator Ryuun has sat the Senate far longer than I have, as has been pointed out to me. He's also Vice-chair of the Defense Committee, who should be represented in this investigation.
Alyn Stark
Lord of Kinyov
Senior Captain, Retired, Republic Navy
Head of House Malos (former)
Licensed bounty hunter
Majority shareholder, Lorrd Engineering
Owner, Stark Defense Conglomerate
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Representative, Lorrd (10 BBY-9 BBY)
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 08 Jul 2012, 1:06 PM | Message # 8 |
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| The Defense Committee is satisfied with Senator Kirkwood being on the commission - as a member. We feel involvement from the Vice Chairman or Chairman would unduly weigh upon the process as their conclusions would be overbearing.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Sunday, 08 Jul 2012, 1:15 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Perhaps Representative Vanden, or Senator Fitzgerald, then? Or is there an objection to either of these men?
Alyn Stark
Lord of Kinyov
Senior Captain, Retired, Republic Navy
Head of House Malos (former)
Licensed bounty hunter
Majority shareholder, Lorrd Engineering
Owner, Stark Defense Conglomerate
Civilian Medal of Honor recipient
Representative, Lorrd (10 BBY-9 BBY)
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 08 Jul 2012, 1:19 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Both men with dubious commitment to the Empire I am afraid.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Sunday, 08 Jul 2012, 1:21 PM | Message # 11 |
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| I would accept a spot on this commission, namely because while I feel there should be an impartial investigation to satisfy the concerns of both sides in this case, I share Senator Stark's concerns about men with manifest anti-alien sentiments being appointed to investigate an alien-owned shipwright that, in some cases, competes with shipwrights on their worlds. Naboo is not compromised in this respect, and I have shown no bias for either side in this dispute. Rather, a simple desire for truth.
Might I also add, in Senator Stark's defense, that I am impressed with his defense of Sluis Van despite it being detrimental to the interests of Lorrd Engineering. Those who doubt the man's impartiality should heed this.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Sunday, 08 Jul 2012, 1:26 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Thank you for kind words once again, Representative Vanden, for as you say, it is truth that Sluis Van Shipyards has been a force for Lorrd Engineering's sales to overcome and as of yet, we have not been able to do so. Nonetheless, truth and justice are far more important than profits any day.
Senator Oriel, if Representative Vanden, Senator Fitzgerald or Senator Ryuun are named to this investigative committee, then I will vote in favor. Until then, I am still opposed.
Alyn Stark
Lord of Kinyov
Senior Captain, Retired, Republic Navy
Head of House Malos (former)
Licensed bounty hunter
Majority shareholder, Lorrd Engineering
Owner, Stark Defense Conglomerate
Civilian Medal of Honor recipient
Representative, Lorrd (10 BBY-9 BBY)
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| Slai-Fon | Date: Monday, 09 Jul 2012, 6:20 AM | Message # 13 |
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| I'm partial to Representative Vanden have a say in the investigation committee, as well as Senator Hubert Ordan.
Now Senator Kirkwood, I've not read much on you yet, or learned much about you but I hope to do so soon, and if you are indeed a great shipwright as Governor Kadram says, then you'll be perfect for the role announced.
But until I do read up on your skill's as a shipwright, I vote Against.
Slai-Fon Youngblood, Senator of Anobis, and the Bright Jewel sector
Chairman of ISEC (Imperial Senate Ethic's Committee.)
Chairman & CEO of K/Y deep.
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Monday, 09 Jul 2012, 7:01 AM | Message # 14 |
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| Senator Youngblood
Senator Kirkwood the Chief Technical Advisor to the Defense Committee. His knowledge of the field is not in question.. He represents the Cygnus Star Empire and has a background in the production of small and medium craft. He is also able no doubt to call upon the state "Cygnus Spaceworks" Corporation to aid any investigation.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Avram_Kirkwood | Date: Monday, 09 Jul 2012, 11:58 AM | Message # 15 |
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| Senator Ryuun, whether or not being a "quiet voice" was meant as an insult, I will say this; while many talk about what they will do, while many of you grandstand on a soapbox and pound on your podium to gain as much attention as you can, I am focused on acting, which I let speak for me.
Senator Youngblood, whether or not one is a shipwright is utterly irrelevant to the investigation at hand. We are not looking into construction procedure or design methods of the Sluis Van Shipyards, but whether it, or it's personnel, committed an act of terrorism, and whether or the government of Sluis Van was involved. If you must know, however, I hold a Master's in Engineering, served as a weapons designer for BlasTech, before joining the Republic Army during the Clone Wars. I was medically retired as a General three years ago for my wounds suffered at Renatasia, and was chief technical advisor for Cygnus Spaceworks afterwards, working in regards to Army applications of their transports, which I resigned from following my appointment as Senator for the Cygnus Star Empire. I am not a shipwright, Senator Youngblood, but I am an engineer, and I am a retired military officer of the Empire. I believe I am fully qualified to serve on the commission.
And to respond to Senator Oriel; yes, Cygnus Spaceworks is willing to lend a team of engineers and technicians to serve the commission as an uninvolved, neutral third-party.
The Honorable Avram W. Kirkwood
Senator of the Cygnus Star Empire
General, Imperial Army (Ret.)
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