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The Imperial Flag Bill
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Saturday, 15 Sep 2012, 3:04 PM | Message # 1 |
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| The Imperial Flag Bill
Purpose- In recent travels, I have seen a number of Imperial member worlds that have been sorely lacking in flying the Imperial flag or having their own planetary flag fly above that of our Galactic Empire. To me, this is quite unacceptable and I hope that many of you feel the same way. This bill will correct that action.
Article I-
- No flag, regardless of nature, will be flown higher than the Imperial flag when displayed in public viewing. On worlds that do not utilize flags, no planetary symbol will be placed above the Imperial symbol when upon a government building or building that is adorned by a planetary government symbol. Historical monuments in a non-government capacity are exempt from this.
Article II-
- Defacement or improper disposal of a damaged Imperial flag will result in a fifty-thousand (50,000) credit fine and a maximum of three years imprisonment.
Article III-
- Defacement or burning of an Imperial flag that is undamaged will result in a one-hundred thousand (100,000) credit fine and a maximum of five years imprisonment.
Article IV-
- Proper disposal of a damaged Imperial flag will be conducted by burning.
Article V-
- The Imperial flag shall be a required placement at all member government offices and schools.
Article VI-
- The Imperial flag shall be flown at all hours of the day and night, weather permitting. At night, a light shall be placed to illuminate the Imperial flag.
It is time that all member worlds respect our flag and our Empire; to take pride in the great flag that represents our unity and solidarity. I am fully in favor of this as an Imperial patriot.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
Message edited by LomenRyuun - Tuesday, 18 Sep 2012, 3:00 PM |
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Saturday, 15 Sep 2012, 10:11 PM | Message # 2 |
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| I am in favor of this proposal.
Alyn Stark
Lord of Kinyov
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Head of House Malos (former)
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Majority shareholder, Lorrd Engineering
Owner, Stark Defense Conglomerate
Civilian Medal of Honor recipient
Representative, Lorrd (10 BBY-9 BBY)
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 16 Sep 2012, 5:05 AM | Message # 3 |
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| I feel this motion is well intended but clumsily worded at present.
Which "Imperial Flag"? Does this motion then set out too cover any flag or banner bearing the Imperial Cog? Does it include other representatons signifying the Empire? For example, on Vjun it is impractical to expose even the hardest wearing fabrics to consistent acid exposure; this is why instead of flags, we generally display cast Durasteel family coats of arms or other device signifying a visiting power. Thus what about cultures who don't use flags?
If the act then seeks to cover all manifestations of the symbol of the Empire then where is the line drawn at which one may risk this massive fine? Define improper disposal?
This motion sets out to address a percieved defecit in displays of the Imperial Flag but does not encourage or mandate their placement, just to mandate an ettiquette for the treatment of the Empire's flags.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Sunday, 16 Sep 2012, 5:52 AM | Message # 4 |
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| When speaking of the Imperial Flag, it is in reference to the image here. It covers the Imperial flag only, as common sense would dictate.
Some wording has been changed. It seeks to cover the primary manifestation.
When it comes to placement, changes have been made as well.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
Message edited by LomenRyuun - Sunday, 16 Sep 2012, 5:54 AM |
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Monday, 17 Sep 2012, 3:03 AM | Message # 5 |
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| This act is a clumsy and unwieldy piece of legislation that I still do not believe it is functional, it's vastly too "flag centric" for my liking.
You mandate placement of the flag and fail to exempt worlds which do not use flags (aside from stating no symbol should be higher - a bizarre requirement - higher with respect to what? Distance from planetary core? Must it be placed on every government building? How is government building to be defined?)
I thus vote against it, I think someone could intelligently approach the issue with thought, but not in this ghastly attempt which I believes attributes too little emphasis on the Imperial Symbol and too much on the fact it's on a piece of cloth designed to wave in the wind.
Do flags have some special significance on Druckenwell that I am missing? Either way I am not sure it's appropriate to have such a sweeping act to protect just one of many ways in which the Imperial Symbol is displayed in public - especially as it has such a slapdash and cavalier approach to the very important detail that many if not the majority of worlds do not use archaic "flags".
I am amused that this act seems to explicitly legalise the burning of the flag? Surely this current draft is in contradiction with this professed love you have for the Imperial Flag? What about of there are multiple imperial flags inside a building on public display? Do these have precedence still stand 24 hours a day? What about at night?
This is with good intentions. But this is badly written, badly thought out law.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Monday, 17 Sep 2012, 5:05 AM | Message # 6 |
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| You'll find a few changes, Senator.
While flags have no explicit significance on Druckenwell, they are flown.
The burning of the flag as a means to lay to rest a damaged Imperial flag is appropriate. It carries with it dignity and honor.
If you do not wish to vote for this, then do not. I'd much rather hear from some of the other Senators though before changing anything further.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Monday, 17 Sep 2012, 4:44 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Chandrila votes in favor, Senator Ryuun. I do not think that this is badly thought out or clumsily worded at all, for the record.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Tuesday, 18 Sep 2012, 2:53 PM | Message # 8 |
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| The amendments are an improvement, but I'm not too concerned with cultures that don't understand the symbolism of flags. These are non-Human cultures, mostly, that we should be replacing with Human High Culture. But even most non-Human cultures understand flags: just look at the opening ceremony of a podrace, a totally non-Human sport, and you'll see a lot of flags.
Where there are flags, I agree the Imperial flag should be flown higher than any other, and that destruction of the flag should be punished. But we need another amendment here: "The Imperial flag shall be flown at all hours of the day and night, weather permitting."
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Tuesday, 18 Sep 2012, 3:00 PM | Message # 9 |
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| You'll find the alteration has been made, Governor.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Tuesday, 18 Sep 2012, 3:09 PM | Message # 10 |
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| In favor.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Thursday, 20 Sep 2012, 7:08 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Senators, if there are no additional votes...?
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Friday, 21 Sep 2012, 6:59 AM | Message # 12 |
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| I'm happy to vote in favour of this act.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Friday, 21 Sep 2012, 10:56 PM | Message # 13 |
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| I am resolved to vote most emphatically against this act.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Sunday, 23 Sep 2012, 8:51 PM | Message # 14 |
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| The measure passes with 83% in favor and Senator Terrawin opposed.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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