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Druckenwellian Colonialism
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Friday, 21 Sep 2012, 9:04 AM | Message # 16 |
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| No back door deals, that isn't how Alsakan operates, I've categorically stated and declared the intention of Alsakan to protect the sovereignty of Monor II against Druckenwell if need be, as done in the past.
As for a deployment of Alsakan Assets, I'm not able to discuss tactical matters of that nature at present. I would like to remind Senator Ryuun that Alsakan is not a small neighbor it can dictate policy to, and although it's objection will be noted and command up-chained it will have very little weight.
The terms -were- one sided, and specifically prejudicial to the interests and sovereignty of one you claimed to be allied to. Noone can or should "up and quit" when something doesn't go their way - perhaps a lesson for Druckenwell to remember after it attempted to do just that in the Clone Wars? The Sunesi are free to manage the supply of their resource as they wish, so long as it is in line with Imperial Law - they had the perfect right to protest against the man who was at the time representing -them- filing an act that threatened to criminalize their Government for merely abiding by tradition.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Friday, 21 Sep 2012, 9:09 AM | Message # 17 |
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| Tradition changes, Terrawin. Either get with the times or get left behind, I'd say.
If the Monorian folk want their own autonomy from Druckenwell, so be it. They're even welcome to that cirrifog lot; we can produce other types through other means.
However, do not think Alsakan can dictate policy to Druckenwell in our home sector either. I could care less what size Alsakan is.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Friday, 21 Sep 2012, 9:24 AM | Message # 18 |
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| It isn't -your- Sector. It is not the Druckenwell Sector?
It is the Doldur Sector, Druckenwell has no right of veto over Alsakan deployments, especially outside of it's territory, however, you have no reason to fear a peacekeeping force from Alsakan. Indeed have you not often advocated the "dangers" in the Galaxy? As such you should be grateful to have Alsakan's Aegis nearby, that it might stand over you in the event of an attack?
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Friday, 21 Sep 2012, 9:28 AM | Message # 19 |
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| The Doldur Sector is my home sector, unlike you, whose home is the Alsakan Sector. In that regard, it is much more my home than yours.
As for the Aegis Fleet, isn't its job to safeguard Alsakan's borders? I don't recall there being a need for your fleet to be in the Doldur Sector. That being said, I feel no need to feel grateful to the Aegis Fleet seeing as how Druckenwell's own defensive fleet protects its own borders quite well. The day we have need of your fleet is a sad day indeed for Druckenwell.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Friday, 21 Sep 2012, 9:32 AM | Message # 20 |
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| How does it feel to have the threat of force being deployed close to your borders against your will Mr Ryuun?
I wonder, did you ever think that perhaps Agapos felt that way when you initially made aggressive overtures some time ago?
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Friday, 21 Sep 2012, 10:31 AM | Message # 21 |
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| How does it make me feel, Senator Terrawin? Let me think for a moment... Hm. You know, I think I'll sleep quite well tonight, actually.
As for Agapos? I don't know how aliens think. I'm Human. For once, odd as it is, I'd like to hear Governor Oswaldt's point of view.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Friday, 21 Sep 2012, 11:14 AM | Message # 22 |
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| Isn't it interesting how the rhetoric of Senator Ryuun shifts according to his and his worlds interests.
Amazing to hear the man who has so often defended Sluis Van and other aliens take on the cloak of a humanocentrist and xenophobe when it suits. I find it a quite excellent treat to wake up each day having no idea what the views of Senator Ryuun are going to be, aside from that they will reliably tend to coincide with Senator Domon and Senator Starks! And he talks to me of back room deals!
I'm glad to hear it'll help you sleep, the Alsakan Aegis Fleet is no threat to any loyal Imperial World who does not raise its hand against its brothers and sisters. You must understand, Senator Ryuun, that we see it in no-ones interests for Druckenwell to dominate another world and exploit it's resources. As for any talk of the "Synthetic Cirrifog", it's apparent that while it is possible to synthesize (just like it's possible to synthesize oil or spice) - it will never be economical to do so without taking a significant loss.
There are several reasons, taking ethics to one side, that dictate the undesirability of Druckenwell attempting to exert Hegemony over Monor II.
- Druckenwell does not have the manpower, nor the military projection capacity to take and secure another world.
- Druckenwell does not have the resources to effectively collect Cirrifog without the consent of the natives - production would inevitably fall.
- Druckenwell does not likely have the stomach to wage a long term anti-insurgency campaign on a hostile world.
- Druckenwell would by warring against Monor II under it's newly found expedient of "xenophobia" incite unjust fear and loathing of the wider Empire by claiming to fight in it's name. While the Empire may have a policy of prioritizing humans, that does not necessarily translate to sanctioning the persecution of aliens who in the past decades have proven a good deal more loyal than Druckenwell has done.
We calculate that the resulting war might well last a score of years, and would drain Druckenwell militarily, exhaust it's economy and ruin the Cirrifog trade. Every mother on Druckenwell can breathe a sigh of relief tonight that the Alsakans have prevented them from having to fight a potentially unending war against those who would sooner be their allies.
Imagine you had been allowed to wage this war, and twenty years down the road we were looking at many millions of the sons of Druckenwell traumatized and scarred by the brutal conflict which would have ensued. Your government bankrupted from the cost of continual war, Cirrifog exploitation declining to nothing and disabled ex-soldiers limping and begging on the streets of your capital. Imagine two worlds wrecked by continual war, billions of citizens on both sides ruing this day that Lomen Ryuun thoughtlessly sold their blood for what he thought would equal profit.
And imagine then Senator Ryuun, that (to use a Sunesi term) a trans-dimensional being came to you and offered to take you back to a world where Alsakan had the courage to step in, and by guaranteeing the protection and peace of both sides would avert this pointless and bloody struggle you so nearly brought on yourself.
Well, your wish came true Senator Ryuun.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Friday, 21 Sep 2012, 1:33 PM | Message # 23 |
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| I have defended Sluis Van because they contribute, they don't make waves. I don't speak for every race out there, but as of late, I've been finding certain viewpoints brought up by Governor Oswaldt to have more sense than, shall we say, the viewpoints laid forth by the bleeding-heart liberal Alsakans.
That being said, Alsakan is sadly lacking information on a number of points; points which I would more than gladly make clear.
1) Druckenwell does not need to exert hegemony over Monor II, and its military capacity is not something Alsakan can simply take measure of without any specific knowledge.
2) Contrary to Alsakan belief, Druckenwell could easily collect cirrifog without consent of the natives, if the need arose. We have chosen not to undertake such methods.
3) Alsakan is not in a position to judge what Druckenwell does or does not have the stomach to do.
4) With the small expression that you, Terrawin, seem to keep trying to throw in everyone's faces, Druckenwell has been a far greater loyal and contributing member than Monor II has.
Alsakan is free to make all the calculations it wants. Either way, I am done debating this with you, Terrawin. If you want to play with the Monorians, then do so. Druckenwell is consolidating its interests elsewhere.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Alyn_Stark | Date: Friday, 21 Sep 2012, 1:37 PM | Message # 24 |
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| Gentlemen, as amusing as it is in some regards to watch you two go at it, it's not actually solving anything besides making you look... well... quarrelsome.
Terrawin, I'll thank you not to include me in your little spat here, at least not directly. Alsakan doesn't exactly have the most sterling record ever and they've even been rebuked by the Empire a time or two. Nobody's perfect.
Besides, I'll be giving up my seat here soon and it would be nice if the last few days went quietly.
Alyn Stark
Lord of Kinyov
Senior Captain, Retired, Republic Navy
Head of House Malos (former)
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Owner, Stark Defense Conglomerate
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Friday, 21 Sep 2012, 6:48 PM | Message # 25 |
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| In his communiques with Agapos, Senator Ryuun's approach seems to be merely that of a hard-nosed businessman defending his world's financial interest on Monor II. There's nothing untoward about this other than the Senator's seeming disregard of Monor II's independence and his condescending tone in general. I mean to say that Senator Ryuun has every right to press his case, and Agapos has every right to refuse him. The patent for synthetic cirrifog belongs to Monor II, and despite his bluster surely Senator Ryuun will respect Monor II's sovereignty (and property rights)?
Ralltiir stood with Monor II in its first altercation with Druckenwell, and it will continue to do so should it become necessary (at Monor II's invitation, of course). But as long as Druckenwell is respecting Monor II's wishes, as it seems to be, I'm reluctant to inflame the Doldur Sector any more. This is a far cry from the Druckenwell-Monor II dispute of some months ago, and to be honest, Druckenwell appears to be a paper tiger in this instance.
If I'm wrong, and Druckenwell does have imperialist intent with Monor II, it should be advised that Alsakan won't be the only world to come to Monor II's defense. It may be "your" sector, Senator Ryuun, but Imperial worlds have certain rights in common and a threat to one world is a threat to us all. I think we understand one another, and I call for a tempering of words on both sides and for Druckenwell's prompt compliance with Monor II's demand that it withdraw from the Monorian heliosphere.
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Friday, 21 Sep 2012, 8:37 PM | Message # 26 |
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| Well said Senator Fitzgerald.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Monday, 24 Sep 2012, 8:23 AM | Message # 27 |
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| Brentaal disagrees with the Senator from another respected Core founder, Alsakan. Haven't we heard enough of the self-righteous pontifications and the deific intransigence of these god-fearing lumpheads from Monor II? Senator, you ask us, "when can you last remember a Monorian ever attempting to take over another world?" Quite recently, at Dantooine. And—"By all accounts the Theocracy of Monor II is backwards, that is no excuse to abuse its people by forcing them to sign unequal contracts"? I simply don't agree; the Sunesi theocracy is clearly not a responsible steward of this critical Imperial resource and should be made to forfeit their rights to it. Anti-social behavior is punished in individuals and anti-social behavior at a planetary-scale should be punished as well. And no world should hold the Empire's resources hostage to the whims of some imbecilic diety.
Druckenwell is a bastion of Core values in an otherwise depraved sector. We should be supporting it, as even Sluis Van is (though, frankly, I'm very surprised at this).
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Monday, 24 Sep 2012, 10:28 AM | Message # 28 |
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| Many thanks to you, Senator Cambrist, for the kind words.
Druckenwell still heartily believes that, while the Sunesi are indeed unfit to steward the resource of cirrifog, Alsakan is not an acceptable substitute. Alsakan, good-intentioned as it is, has a history of interfering in a number of areas where it does not belong, more often than not with nothing to show for its endeavors or simply instigating issues further.
Druckenwell urges the Senate to back its actions in the coming days to safeguard and secure the cirrifog outlet to the Empire, as well, we urge all worlds to come together to assist the Sunesi in seeing the progress of the galaxy and advancing into a normalized civilization.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Monday, 24 Sep 2012, 4:11 PM | Message # 29 |
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| Tell me, Senator Ryuun. What makes this action any different then what Deralia attempted to do to Dantooine?
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Monday, 24 Sep 2012, 7:39 PM | Message # 30 |
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| If I may, it's a human-vs.-alien conflict, Senator Ray, not a human-vs.-human conflict. The moral calculus is entirely different. But remember, Deralia and Monor II have something in common; they both attacked Dantooine.
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