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Attack on Lorrdian Territory
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| Kanzad_Shirnoq | Date: Monday, 10 Dec 2012, 2:15 AM | Message # 16 |
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| Chairman Pestage, gentlebeings of the Senate,
I request permission to speak on this matter, as I am the sector governor of the Kanz Sector and I believe I can shed light on this issue.
Kanzad Shirnoq
Moff, Kanz Sector
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Monday, 10 Dec 2012, 3:20 AM | Message # 17 |
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| Gentlebeings,
I'm not sure if you all would like to check on the Holonet news channels. But the good Moff Shirnoq appears to be having his forces effectively deputized as the enforcers of the Lorrdian regime. When he's recognized I'd like to ask some of the questions put to his officers on our live broadcast.
Do you feel its reasonable or appropriate to use Imperial forces to enforce a request from a planetary government not to deliver humanitarian aid? Do you think an order not to deliver humanitarian aid to an area which demonstrably has a use for it is a lawful order given by either authority. Do you believe firing on a humanitarian craft simply for delivering harmless supplies of food, shelter and medical supplies is appropriate?
Are you aware that simply saying "I assume you take responsibility for these people" is an incredibly foolish thing to say in legal terms? Alsakan rescued these people and has the responsibility to deliver them from the cramped conditions they are in to the nearest world - I can understand Lorrd voicing some objection to this but it is incredible, truly incredible that the Galactic Empire would listen to such ridiculous and outlandish demands and indeed be seen doing the dirty work of the Lorrdian Government which is too lazy to provide for those in need in time of Crisis. Isn't this world supposedly the home of "GalacticAid"?
Do you intend to take action against the officer presiding over what I can only describe as a fiasco, one who seems more concerned with involving himself in planetary politics (and making himself a seeming puppet of Lorrd) in an incredibly impartial and inappropriate manner, especially for his ordering armed fighters to discharge their weapons at civilians with no legitimate cause. For shame Moff Shirnoq - and these are the self same ships that arrived and first offered medical, firefighting and rescue aid to the Lorrdians.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Monday, 10 Dec 2012, 1:24 PM | Message # 18 |
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| Moff Shirnoq is indeed recognized.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
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Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Kanzad_Shirnoq | Date: Monday, 10 Dec 2012, 3:34 PM | Message # 19 |
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| Thank you, Chairman.
My first words go out to Commodore Cynum of the Auril Sector Irregulars. Commodore, the use of force against the Vianists, whether your people or not, was authorized by my hand. Furthermore, looking back over the Lorrdian records which I requested access to, and which I thank Representative Lekpin for obtaining for me, the 'Tionese' Lorrdians were Lorrdians by birth and record and had no dual planetary citizenship, marking them as citizens of Lorrd and Lorrd alone, despite what mixed bloodlines in the past may have created. That being said, the Auril Sector Irregulars have but the flimsiest pretense for a reason of making war. The blood spilled on Lorrd was at my command, I reiterate, and the blood of Vianists within the entire Kanz Sector stems from my edict.
My second set of comments go out to Senator Terrawin. To being, Senator, no shots were fired at your craft. I beg you, recheck your sensors for none of my ships would fire upon an aid vessel. I feel that Alsakan ships, arriving at the sight of a battle when the Auril Sector Irregulars specifically called for Alsakan reinforcements is cause for heightened sense of vigilance, and it is indeed questionable that the vessels of your world would flaunt the commands given by an Imperial Naval official. Despite all orders given, your commander did not follow orders to wait to deliver supplies to Lorrd II and instead insisted on flaunting such orders against through blatant disrespect to an Imperial officer.
We do not know the contents of the packages Alsakan deposited on Lorrd II. We have only your word to take for it and while I do not necessarily doubt your word, if Lorrd II were to suddenly be filled with armed Vianists, it would look quite questionable. The Vianists on Lorrd II could have waited a few hours for the contents of your aid packages to be verified.
In regards to the refugees Alsakan is reported to be carrying aboard their vessels, Lorrdian Defense Minister Alexander Moss stated an unwillingness at this time, understandably, to take on refugees. While Lorrd may be the 'home' of GalacticAid, there are a number of GalacticAid facilities spread throughout the Kanz Sector that could easily accept refugees without depositing them within the Lorrd Sector and thereby, causing further issues. Besides, a world that's just come under attack for such a flimsy pretense is not an ideal site for refugees to be relocated to.
I restate again, Senator, no Imperial vessels fired upon Alsakan ships. And it is curious that while initial communications from Lorrd Control seem to indicate them waving your aid away, you continued ahead as it were. Frankly, if the Lorrdians have the matter under control, I do not see the continued need for an Alsakan presence within the Lorrd System.
Kanzad Shirnoq
Moff, Kanz Sector
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| Jcep_Snar | Date: Monday, 10 Dec 2012, 3:55 PM | Message # 20 |
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| Chairman Pestage, I regret to interrupt, but may I have the floor once Moff Shirnoq has finished speaking?
Prime Minister, Argazda
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Monday, 10 Dec 2012, 4:17 PM | Message # 21 |
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| Moff Shirnoq is correct about the shot fired, as I clarified elsewhere it was simply a cosmic ray on the same spectrum as blaster fire and so was registered erroneously by our sensors since it came from the direction of the Imperial Fighters.
My point still stands though that it is not the place of the Imperial Starfighter Corps of the Navy to be involving themselves in matters which (at the end of the day) are fundamentally just traffic control issues and issues of planetary disagreements over asylum arrangements - It's not needed for the Sector Military to threaten out craft for dropping off aid just because the Lorrdians tell them to do so.
The prefabs and containers were all scanned before leaving their storage racks. Not one contains a blaster or anything more dangerous than a wood cutting device. These are aid parcels, we don't simply hand out arms to random groups, we're happy to provide the scans of the containers and be utterly transparent about the fact.
It's a mystery why the Sector forces didn't just ask before sending fighters.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Gemmell | Date: Monday, 10 Dec 2012, 5:04 PM | Message # 22 |
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| Gemmell looked over to Snar and nodded, extending a finger as he sat, resting gently back in the Chairman's seat, one elbow resting on it's side, clearly following the debate from his quick recognition of Snar but had previously been looking rather vacant, not turning his eyes to any individual speaker, seemingly upset or bored.
Chairman Pestage is momentarily absent from the chamber and I am holding the Chair in his absence and as such am filling in to the extent my abilities allow.
Prime Minister Jcep Snar of Argazda is recognized to speak freely for the duration of this debate.
Lord Gregorious Gemmell
Advisor to the Emperor
Imperial Ruling Council
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| Jcep_Snar | Date: Monday, 10 Dec 2012, 5:34 PM | Message # 23 |
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| Many thanks, Lord Gemmell.
I would like to begin with my statement as thus: as Prime Minister of Argazda, I can say that I bear the Lorrdians no good will whatsoever and that I hope they choke in all endeavors. For the humiliation they have placed my people into for their former 'enslavement,' I can only hope they suffer the same embarrassing insult to their honor and that their skies turn red and collapse upon them. Argazda is no friend of Lorrd and if it should ever come to blows, Argazda will triumph.
The Auril Sector Commodore is correct; there is a blood price to be paid, and it is for that reason alone that I come before the Senate. There were Argazdan-Lorrdian citizens on the Cardan IV station that was destroyed, people who did hold a dual citizenship on Argazda and Lorrd. As such, I offer up a communique between Commodore Cynum and myself, in which he sought to not only enlist Argazda in a continued fight against Lorrd, but admits to lobbying against the Kanz Sector Moff, who justly allowed Argazda to keep control of Destrando City. These things alone should prove that no repentant word offered up by the Commodore can be trusted in any manner of cease-fire.
While I have no love for Lorrd, let it never be said that there is no honor among long-time enemies.
Prime Minister, Argazda
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| Hector_Cynum | Date: Monday, 10 Dec 2012, 6:02 PM | Message # 24 |
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| I admit the communication and re-assert my views.
Lorrd has shed blood, it must pay the blood price I have set or shed blood itself to my satisfaction.
There is no shame in lobbying to disentangle the Sector Moff of the Kanz Sector from a matter which does not concern the Empire - this is a case of conflict between two Imperial Members - we have no need of the Sector Moff acting as a proxy force for Lorrd. We believe the way the Kanz Sector Moff is acting is not within his remit and is showing a clear and public favouritism instead of impartiality.
We also admit soliciting allied support from the enemies of Lorrd - just as they called their nest of Separatists and Aliens to their aid when I was riteously pursuing a blood debt through actions which were in line with the rules of war. I spoke of honour, of avenging an evil on my family, and I spoke in favour of Imperial policy - I have nothing to hide and recant not a jot of my statements.
The Intra-Imperial Relations act specifies no permission is needed for responding to an act which has permission. I do not deny the Vianist purges are legal, indeed I support them (and punish any citizen who practices the cults tenants), and indeed sanctioned. Indeed it was only that legal sanction of the purges that rendered my military response within the law.
However, they were still an act of war against my House, and legal or illegal, there is a blood feud to settle.
I call for the Sector Governor of the Kanz Sector to keep his ships on station to enforce the cease-fire (if one is declared) and protect Lorrd from Pirates or Brigands, but once war is re-commenced to move out of the Lorrd System so as not to risk the loyal men and women aboard the Imperial vessels present - we have no wish to fight the Kanz Sector Fleet - our quarrel is with Lorrd and we demand that we be allowed to prosecute the war effectively if we are not able to find a diplomatic solution during the cease-fire.
We re-iterate that our party is willing to stand down its vessels (they are currently returning to our space) and abide by the Ceasefire and negotiate with the hope of a satisfactory conclusion. We are of course planning for all contingencies and seeking to rally what fiscal, diplomatic and military support we can so that we are as many options on the table as possible if hostilities resume.
We further re-iterate that if the Lorrdian Government does not return the people we require (so they may be detained and reeducated with their own blood kin, kindly and safely), as well as fully paying the wergild on those who were killed or injured during the purges, and furthermore issue a statement of apology and culpability - then we rule out no action, up to and including regime change or forced Lorrdian disarmourment.
As I say. We're willing to adhere to the Alsakan Ceasefire.
Commodore Hector "Igor" Cynum
Commanding Officer of the Auril Sector Union Navy
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The Honourable Union of the Worlds of the Auril Sector
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| Schmuel_Kadram | Date: Monday, 10 Dec 2012, 8:12 PM | Message # 25 |
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| A word to the wise regarding deploying civilian vessels - they're not designed for combat and to take them into it risks death or worse.
We also recognize that while Alyn Stark may feel patriotically connected to his homeworld, we urge him to preserve some semblance of Neutrality. An arms provider should avoid taking a side within such conflicts and it would be all the better for your reputation to not attempt to involve your corporation in a war directly. There is a wise proverb I was taught as a child "Know your enemies... but do business with them always." to become the aligned supplier of one world forces all customers to take sides if they wish to patronize you.
Schmuel Kadram
Governor of Rothana
Junior Vice President of Operations KDY
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Tuesday, 11 Dec 2012, 10:24 AM | Message # 26 |
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| Tell me, Commodore Cynum, when you state that you wish your people returned to you, are you referring to any perceived Tionese Vianists or all the Vianists? Furthermore, if Lorrd were to pay a wergild for any of your people injured or killed, it would be at a price that is set by the Empire in fairness and not by the Auril Sector.
That being said, as Lorrd was following the orders of the Sector Moff, there is no reasonable need to offer a statement of apology and culpability.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
Chosen of House Garth
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| Hector_Cynum | Date: Tuesday, 11 Dec 2012, 11:11 AM | Message # 27 |
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| I don't care if Lorrd was following the orders of Xim the Despot! The permission for the use of force allows further force to be used as per the Intra-Imperial Relations Act.
Wergild is set by the party which suffers ill, fairness does not come into it, this is blood feud and to slake our vengeance the price will indeed be mighty. You will pay what is demanded or we will extract the blood price and to do that we use force to humble you. The noble houses of Lorrd may make separate peace with myself if they don't wish to be committed to your torrid cause, as some are already doing.
I've no love for Vianists of any variety, as my communications show - and they'll be re-educated, and if they do not prove tractable to reasonable treatment and learn the way of Reason then they will be punished for their recalcitrance. However, Vianist or not they are blood kin. Just as we protected the people of Caluula when they were threatened by those who threatened the blood of the Tionese Settlers, so we will unsheath the sword to protect and avenge here. Non-ethnic Tionese Vianists are outside my blood oath and protection - I care little for them aside from the care one human renders for another in suffering - but not a care that would lead me to draw the sword.
Commodore Hector "Igor" Cynum
Commanding Officer of the Auril Sector Union Navy
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The Honourable Union of the Worlds of the Auril Sector
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Tuesday, 11 Dec 2012, 11:20 AM | Message # 28 |
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| I'm not sure if Moff Winder is still with us, but I would ask of him and Moff Shirnoq if it isn't the proper role of the Empire to act as guarantors of the peace in this sort of situation, to restrain the respective combatants from any further hostilities while the Senate attempts to broker a peaceful resolution to this war? Regardless of the cause of war, we agree, surely, it is destructive to His Majesty's worlds and the harmony of his Empire and should be stopped, yes? I would like to extract from Moff Shirnoq a promise that his forces will defend the planet Lorrd from further attack, not as a matter of favoritism but as a matter of policy for all worlds of the Kanz Sector. Is this not the job of a Moff, Your Excellency? Added (11 Dec 2012, 11:20 AM)
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With regard to this wergild, or "blood price" that the Aurilites are demanding, I seem to recall that the Empire has taken a dim view of this sort of Tionese tradition. It surprises me to see Moff Winder do nothing to discourage a practice so incongruous with Human High Culture.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Hector_Cynum | Date: Tuesday, 11 Dec 2012, 11:54 AM | Message # 29 |
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| We are not wild eyed Embarilite Clansmen from the mountains, Senator Vanden. The sword of vengeance must always be drawn with discretion and not flung wildly about like the Embarilite Clans were doing, as I have stated time and time again we will not carry our weapons against civilians, and unlike the Lorrdians we are not permitting private citizens to take their yachts to war and so blurring the line between civilian and military. An eye for an eye is the oldest tradition in all human justice systems.
Blood feud is common in the Tionese culture, but it in a rather more refined form when practiced by civilized men. The Union of the Worlds of the Auril Sector is hardly going to descend screaming from the hills on civilians, but rather we will take to the field and spill the blood of those who oppose us in arms - then we will extract the wergild from the treasuries of the Lords of Lorrd who have stood against us in battle.
We have no desire or wish to shed innocent blood. I have supported Senator Terrawin's motion for an Imperial observed cease fire while negotiations are ongoing, we're not going to support the Empire protecting Lorrd beyond that. I'm astonished at your double-standards, Senator Vanden, we're at war to defend honour and the blood of innocents, and instead you call for Lorrd, the munitions factory of the Kanz Sector, to be protected by the Imperial Moff so that it can continue to hone the skills of death and genocide.
Commodore Hector "Igor" Cynum
Commanding Officer of the Auril Sector Union Navy
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The Honourable Union of the Worlds of the Auril Sector
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| Kanzad_Shirnoq | Date: Tuesday, 11 Dec 2012, 4:12 PM | Message # 30 |
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| I agree with you, Representative Vanden, and at this time is it not my intent to withdrawn any of the vessels stationed at Lorrd. Two further support vessels have been sent to Argazda in the event of any reprisals in that direction, as well as to ensure the Argazdans do remain peaceable while this conflict is brought to a close, and further support vessels have been distributed amongst major asset worlds.
The Kanz Sector is a productive sector, and as the Grand Vizier well knows, I do not like productivity being disrupted. Tell me, Commodore Cynum, what exactly is the price you set for your wergild?
Kanzad Shirnoq
Moff, Kanz Sector
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