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Attack on Lorrdian Territory
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 3:11 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Gentlebeings, I bring a matter most grave to before the Senate. Forces under the command of one Commodore Hector Cynum attacked Lorrd early yesterday, resulting in the death of nearly thirteen hundred Lorrdian Defense Force personnel and sixty Imperial personnel, as well as the loss of a valuable Cardan IV station at Lorrd and extensive damage to Lorrd's Acclamator II vessel.
Under the Intra-Imperial Relation Act and it's subsequent amendment, I wish to call a breach of Section II, Articles I and II and a breach of Article I of the The Space Dock Vandalism, Arson and Sabotage Act on Hector Cynum of the Auril Sector.
The Lorrd System requests payment in the form of reparation for each of the lives lost in defense of Lorrd itself, as well as additional aid in replacement of a valuable asset that served both local ships of the Kanz Sector and Imperial military vessels within the sector.
I am in favor of this chastisement.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
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| Manfred_Winder | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 6:49 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Manfred appeared via holo, appearing to be sleepy, comfortably seated in his studded leather armchair. "I've had my Sector Prosecutors consulted, as far as we're concerned there are no charges to answer and so as the Moff with jurisdiction over the Sector involved I'm afraid I'm going to have to inform you all that there will not be a prosecution over this matter.
"May I add, furthermore, my hearty congratulations to Lorrd and the Kanz Sector at large for it's excellently and efficiently conducted genocide. We've been presented with the Sensor logs of the Auril vessels which confirm that the "Imperial" station did not fit the definition of an Imperial dock as it was a Lorrdian dock which (contrary to convention) had Imperial Staff aboard - it was signaling via its transponder a Lorrdian not Imperial Status.
I am told that Commodore Hector Cynum, Autocrat of Auril and leader of the raid will indemnify the Empire for any personnel who tragically passed away during the reprisal raid. And yes, so far as I am concerned this is a reprisal, the killing of the child carried within a family member due to the forced deportation of Vianists (even those of foreign lineage) is (under Tionese custom and practice) cause for war if a wergild is not immediately paid. The Planet Auril, and it's allies, acted in accordance with Imperial Law which states that "only the initial use of force requires notification" (Intra-Imperial Relation Act Cambrist amendment). Lorrd undoubtedly did use force, and debatably committed an act of war on civilians so thus Cynum was oath bound to protect those of his blood. There is a reason why they say that you must kill all in a hall burning or none - or blood feud and revenge is the result.
If the two worlds would like to organize some sort of military conflict within predefined rules and limits I will be willing to arbitrate such, but enough of this bellyaching if you please Mr Lekpin.
I should add that as Sector Governor I will grant exemption and anul the operative clauses of this, even if this motion passes, the sniveling of the Senate tires me. I have little time for those who would "cry to mother" like a scolded child in such a manner. If you commit genocide (and a fine genocide it has been too), then yes, you may create a blood feud - resolve your blood feud between each-other. The course in every difficulty or feud should be mediation and negotiation, or continuation of politics by the means of force - not crying to the Senate or expecting your "allies" to solve your problems for you, providence helps those who help themselves Gentlemen.
In the event a reply is needed, Governor General Cynum may take my right to the floor for the duration of this debate as representative of the Auril System but speaks only for his worlds. Your chambers nature has become soporific to me so I shall take my leave. I suggest you don't attempt to reply to myself for one will not be forthcoming, I have more important matters to attend to at present. "
He clicked of the transmitted and placed a hankerchief over his head and caught forty winks.
Manfred Winder
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 8:07 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Alsakan abstains. The comments of Moff Winder not being a factor in this, we simply believe that for the genocidal Lorrdians to object when the relatives of those they slew attack them. Violence is lamentable (and while I may not hold as strong a line as Senator Vanden on this), I believe measures should always be taken short of violence - but here the Lorrdians clearly tainted themselves with guilt for mishandling these people grievously. Our sympathies to those whos lives were lost in the attack, and it should be noted that it was Alsakan that was first on the scene, and first to offer and deliver aid both to the Lorrdians and furthermore to the benighted colony on the Moon.
Verence Terrawin
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First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Avram_Kirkwood | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 9:47 PM | Message # 4 |
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| I am a patriot. I love our government. I am a firm supporter of the Empire and its beliefs and government. We are, however, a people of laws, and those laws must be followed by all, regardless of name, rank, or station. This body has a codified procedure, and Moff Winder has violated and broken this. I motion that the Chair strike Moff Manfred Winder's unauthorized comments and unrecognized speech from the record, and hold him in contempt of the Senate. I do, however, not motion for his dismissal. In fact, I believe Moff Winder must be forced back onto the floor of the Senate to answer for the actions of the forces at his personal command against the sovereign planet of Lorrd.
The Auril Sector Irregulars are a sector militia force, and thus under Moff Winder's direct command and control. Thus, either Moff Wider has gone rogue from the Imperial government, lost control of his own sector, which is clearly not the case as he is publicly supporting this action, or the Empire has committed to a war against one of its own worlds, and a loyal one at that, without any notification or consultation with the Senate. All are disturbing events, but let us look at the two most likely.
Should Moff Wilder go rogue, as his actions seem to indicate, he has committed High Treason and must be brought down by our military forces, supported by other worlds if necessary, immediately. We can not afford to have an sector in what has been the, surprisingly, most volatile region of space this past year, going rogue and acting against the state. Moff Wilder has spat upon this body, and how Senator Terrawin can take such insult and blatant disrespect is beyond me; he must be holding himself above such an illegal tirade, in which case he is a better man than I, however Senator Terrawin blasted Moff Cole in the previous day for a similar, albeit much more respectful, offense. I believe there was a call for Moff Cole's arrest?
If the Empire has chosen to go to war with Lorrd, this is a disturbing fact in that the Senate was not notified nor consulted, and the Empire has not even made a list of grievances against Lorrd or the government or individuals being targeted. They are being attacked for an action the Empire itself ordered, which leaves this oalso outside the realm of possibility, as surely the Empire would not punish a member for an action it has ordered said member to do? My fellow delegate, simply put, the Auril Sector and its Moff has gone rogue against our government. Chairman Pestage, we must restore order to this chamber and to our Empire. The Senate and the people seek answers, and justice.
The Honorable Avram W. Kirkwood
Senator of the Cygnus Star Empire
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 10:04 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Watch your tongue Kirkwood. The man has been sitting delegate for the Sector for years, he just doesn't take his seat very often - which is his prerogative.
The Auril Sector Irregulars are by definition a coalition of Sector Militia - formed and run by the worlds of the Sector via an alliance. They can be indented by the Moff (as all Imperial ships are able to be intended that way). These ships are not so indented so aren't under his control.
Your overly self riteous tirade seems tired Senator Kirkwood. There is no suggestion the Moff has committed any crime.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 10:12 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Order, Senator Kirkwood. Wild accusations of treason are uncalled for at this time. While this Auril Sector militia under Commodore Cynum has acted with the consent of Moff Winder, there's no indication that it has acted at his behest. I'm in a position to assure you that by no means is this "an action the Empire itself ordered." Indeed, the Imperial Ruling Council at this time endorses the statement of the Defense Committee on this incident, while impartially supporting the efforts of the Senate to establish culpability.
However, Moff Winder is also cautioned that non-delegates must request the floor prior to speaking. It's possible your self-appointed tenure as Senator of the Auril Sector has lapsed; if so, you'll be required to re-take the oath of office if you intend to speak as a Senator.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Avram_Kirkwood | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 10:26 PM | Message # 7 |
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| Senator Ordan,
I apologize Senator Order, but I have no record of Moff Winder ever being a sitting member of this body. Until such documentation can be produced, such claims are simply false, and that is an unchangeable fact of the universe. I will also await Moff Winder's explanation on the matter, as you are not an authority on the Auril Sector or its Imperial government. And Senator Ordan, considering my comments have stayed within the realm of parliamentary, which the same can not be said of the disrespectful rant the Moff graced us with, I count that as further proof of this baseless claim. Your facade of being an overly self-informed, jack of all trades is tired, and wearing thin, I personally believe, on countless members of this body. Now please, allow the Moff to answer for himself.
Chairman Pestage, I do apologize if I did at any time fall out of line. You will have to forgive me, however, for some confusion here. Does the Moff not control the sector? Is he not the head of state for his sector? Would that not, by law, place the sector militia as his charge? I am thankful for your assurance that the Empire did not order this action, which had become obvious upon deduction, but we must have further clarification on this matter. As an aside, my staff can find no record of Moff Winder's appointment or seating as a member of this body, nor a legal precedent for the allowance of an Sector Governor in His Majesty's service to be a sitting member of this body, self-appointment or not.
The Honorable Avram W. Kirkwood
Senator of the Cygnus Star Empire
General, Imperial Army (Ret.)
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| Hector_Cynum | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 10:29 PM | Message # 8 |
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| It's a deep honour to be here Gentlemen. I only wish it were in happier circumstances.
The "Auril Sector Irregulars" is the unofficial name of the "Auril Sector Irregular Militia", a traditional body going back a thousand years which is formed of signatory local militias within the Auril Sector - it recently acted to protect the world of Caluula along with Deralia - preventing a Cronese bloodbath. Now, the Irregulars (while it is willing at all times to render its services to the Sector or Empire) is not officially integrated into the Sector Military command structure, and has no official mandate from the Government of Moff Winder.
We responded to force (used against those of our blood) with force. We responded to an act of war with an act of war. An eye for an eye is the most ancient legal principal. Moff Winder contacted me after the attack and expressed concern, and agreed (as de-jure Senator) to address the Chamber - even though he was busy governing he took the time to do so; the honourable Moff expressed his sympathy and support for my position, and accepted that my world and the forces allied to my world might deploy militarily when needed in response to actions approved already (The Genocide was Imperial permitted and so covered under the law, so responses are legally permissable).
This action was outside of the structure of the "Auril Sector Irregulars" framework but used ships which also serve in its operations. This was an action initiated by Auril, with ships from the Nespis and Forscan systems present also; the Auril Sector Irregulars have however (on the decision of its members) elected to back the legitimacy of my action. The action was moderate and adhered to the rules of war.
Further actions, should they be launched, will also adhere to all regulations governing inter-planetary war.
Commodore Hector "Igor" Cynum
Commanding Officer of the Auril Sector Union Navy
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 10:43 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Is Moff Levi accountable for the Deralian raid on Dantooine?
Is Moff Shirnoq accountable for the Argazdans fighting Lorrd?
It is nonsense that a Sector Governor has accountability for a military alliance of the worlds of his sector. They're innately independent, utter claptrap that the Moff has responsibility here any more than the Doldur Sector Moff had responsibility for the actions of the alignment between Monor II and Druckenwell which existed for some time.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Avram_Kirkwood | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 11:20 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Commodore Cynum, to which government are you accountable? Added (09 Dec 2012, 11:20 PM)
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Actually, forget that I asked that question, sir. Chairman Pestage, I motion to a point of order. Just as Moff Winder is not a member of this body, and did not request recognition before speaking on this floor. Commodore Cynum has not as well. I move that he be held in contempt of the Senate, but remain on the floor to answer the Senate's questions before the proper authorities take care of him, as well.
The Honorable Avram W. Kirkwood
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| Hector_Cynum | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 11:38 PM | Message # 11 |
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| In case it wasn't clarified, Hector was also speaking via holocommunication link as he had (not two hours ago) made a raid on Lorrd, so as he didn't own a teleportation device was on his DP20 on a course back to Auril.
Apologies, I exchanged a hypercomm with the Chair before taking the floor, I did not realize it was customary to do so? I apologize for breaching protocol, I was under the impression that my Senator had delegated me to speak (as representatives have often spoken here without taking the oath, but simply haven't voted) and with the permission of the Chair's representative I ought to do so?
I am Autocrat of the Auril Systems, and of Auril (also known as Nespis) itself, it's Governor-General as it were.
Define accountability? I am ultimately accountable to my people, my conscience, the law, the Emperor's representatives and the Emperor (in reverse order).
As for the honourable Moff, he was Senator since I can remember, certainly when he returned from the Clone Wars he was unanimously elected Senator when he was installed as Moff. I can't say I know if he's eligible to take the floor or whatever.
Commodore Hector "Igor" Cynum
Commanding Officer of the Auril Sector Union Navy
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| Avram_Kirkwood | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 11:42 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Recognition must be made on the floor of the Senate, otherwise no recognition exists. Further, the appointment you speak of comes from an unrecognized speaker who is not a member of this chamber.
The Honorable Avram W. Kirkwood
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 11:46 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Mr. Cynum is called to order. But 'contempt of the Senate,' Senator Kirkwood, is intentional disregard for the proper procedure--I'm not inclined to punish ignorance of procedure without a warning having been issued. Consider this, then, a warning to all present; the proper procedure for a non-delegate is to take to the floor with a request to be recognized to speak, and to speak further only when recognized to do so. A Senator may speak at his whim and will provided he has sworn the oath of office.
At this time, there is no Senator of the Auril Sector.
However, Mr. Cynum, you're recognized to speak for the time being on the subject of your recent action at Lorrd so that we may proceed with the business at hand.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Avram_Kirkwood | Date: Sunday, 09 Dec 2012, 11:55 PM | Message # 14 |
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| Thank you, Chairman Pestage.
Commodore Cynum, I apologize; I misspoke a moment ago in my questioning. To which government are the Auril Sector Irregulars accountable? Who administers them? Who grants them authority? Who issues orders? Who commands them?
The Honorable Avram W. Kirkwood
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| Hector_Cynum | Date: Monday, 10 Dec 2012, 1:45 AM | Message # 15 |
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| Commands? Myself.
Their authority is derived from their member worlds who in ages past agreed to form a treaty of mutual protection and military aid, units are accountable to the world they originate from and to the chain of command. They are Administered by a multi-planetary non-governmental organization that is funded by a tax that all members agreed be set on Imports of 0.0005%, it employs one hundred full time staff at a headquarters with active units being drawn from the planets in the sector.
Orders are issued by myself as Commodore, usually as a result of directives issued by the sectors worlds which vote on such motions remotely. I am Commanding Officer as I say.
But not a shred of this is relevant, Senator Kirkwood - it was ships which are often seconded to duties in the Auril Sector Irregular Militia who deployed, but this mission was not de-facto a mission by the Auril Sector Irregular Militia itself. Just as say ships from RimSec might deploy an expedition as RimSec Ships or they might simply be some worlds from RimSec operating together without being under the formal banner of the alliance. Thus you're asking me questions about an organization which I happen to have command of but is not itself involved - which are thus completely irrelevant.
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at Senator Kirkwood? Or was making me repeat myself simply for it's own sake?
Commodore Hector "Igor" Cynum
Commanding Officer of the Auril Sector Union Navy
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