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The Self Defense Bill
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Wednesday, 27 Apr 2011, 2:32 PM | Message # 1 |
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| An act affirming the right of Imperial worlds to self defense.
(amendments emphasized)
Article I. We, the elected (or selected) representatives of the people, consider the possession and procurement of arms, armor, vehicles, vessels, etc. adequate for the purpose of self defense, and the use of funds for this purpose, and the employment of persons for this purpose, to be a right of Imperial worlds in good standing that should not be abridged by the Empire, or delegated to the Empire, without the consent of the world for which it is to be abridged or from which it is to be delegated.
Article II. No tax shall be levied upon an Imperial world with the effect of depleting its treasury such that it has insufficient funds for the above purposes.
Article III. Prior to deploying forces on an Imperial world in non-combat, non-crisis, non-covert operations, the Empire must conduct a study declaring the purpose of the deployment and investigating alternatives whereby the world in question may fulfill this purpose without the use of Imperial forces, such as the training and/or arming of planetary forces, etc. An Imperial world may waive this requirement if it has requested the presence of Imperial forces.
(amended) Article IV. No limit of any kind shall be imposed on the number of static defense platforms to which an Imperial world or union of worlds or persons is permitted to operate within its space, Provided; these defense platforms do not represent a significant impediment to free commerce.
(amended) Article V. The Imperial Bank shall insure private loans to "poor" worlds for the purpose of procuring arms, armor, vehicles, vessels, etc. adequate for self defense.
I vote in favor. The reasons for this bill are self-evident, I think. I'd also point out though that it's clearly in the Empire's financial interest, too.
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Wednesday, 27 Apr 2011, 3:35 PM | Message # 2 |
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| I have my reservations, Senator Fitzgerald, about this measure. First off, perhaps you should reclassify in Article I exactly what limitations can be placed on arms, armor, vehicles and vessels. If not, this new law, should it pass, could conflict with other, older laws. Secondly, I question the points in Article III, mainly because any planetary militias take a backseat to Imperial aid. I am sure every planet wishes to deal with matters internally, but in some cases, Imperial first-response scenarios seem as if they'd be better.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Wednesday, 27 Apr 2011, 3:45 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Senator Domon, I thought this might be a concern, which is why referred to "arms, armor, vehicles, vessels, etc. adequate for the purpose of self defense." After all, what is or isn't adequate to defend a planet differs from planet to planet, so my proposal allows for some discretion. And for this reason I don't think there's a conflict with previous legislation, because things like turbolasers that have been banned, and biological weapons, etc. are clearly more than adequate for defense. They wouldn't be protected under this bill. As for Article III, I appreciate that Imperial assistance can be very helpful. I don't deny this. But please note two things; 1.) Article III applies only to non-combat/non-crisis conditions in which there isn't anything being "responded to," and 2.) the requirement to conduct the study can be waived by the planet if it desires to do so (i.e. it desires Imperial assistance). I take your concerns seriously, which is why I think these provisions have already addressed them.
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Wednesday, 27 Apr 2011, 4:40 PM | Message # 4 |
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| While I am a big advocate of a planet and its sentients being able to defend itself in a time of crisis, Senator Fitzgerald, I am concerned about the disregard for Imperial policy that is already in place. Unfortunately, there are those planets that are already under Imperial protection...by Imperial Order. As much as I would like to see this happen, not only for professional reasons, but personal as well, I am not sure that such a measure will pass.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Wednesday, 27 Apr 2011, 4:52 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Ah yes, another advocate of weapons for the people. Tell me, Senator Fitzgerald, if Druckenwell decides that heavy launchers and disruptor weapons are necessary for personal defense, we can simply issue them out? I fear, Senator, that you need to make some extreme changes and specify things in the first Article before we will vote in favor. For now, the vote stands against.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Wednesday, 27 Apr 2011, 5:44 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Senator Thanatos, the bill will pass if Senators who support it vote for it. Chandrilans are known to be idealists, and I ask that you think of them in casting your vote today. Senator Ryuun, this bill doesn't set out to tell planets what kinds of weapons they can or can't have. There are plenty of bills that do that already, and I'm sure there will be more. This bill doesn't prevent there being more. All this bill does is establish the principle that worlds have a right to self defense, a principle that I'm sure the people of Druckenwell support. I know the arms industry on Druckenwell does. And as for arms on Druckenwell, there's nothing to stop you as the law currently stands from issuing heavy launchers, etc. (Disruptors are illegal under Imperial law). My bill doesn't change that one way or another. It's simply not the purpose of the bill, and if it's the reason you're voting against it then you're voting against it on a false premise.
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Wednesday, 27 Apr 2011, 6:30 PM | Message # 7 |
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| I don't believe we need a bill, Senator Fitzgerald, that tells us we have a right to self defense. This is already known to us and the Empire, all glory to it, recognizes this as well. Do you believe they will take away our freedoms or infringe upon them if we do not make a bill to cover it? I simply do not see this legislature as a valuable use of the Senate's time. I am sure you came with the best intentions, of course, but I cannot see the point.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Wednesday, 27 Apr 2011, 6:35 PM | Message # 8 |
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| This bill addresses a very real problem, Senator Ryuun. Just ask Senator Thanatos. With all due respect, I see no good reason to oppose it. We shouldn't expect the Empire to do everything for us. Planetary forces should be able to take on more responsibility for their own security so that the Empire can use its fleet and its forces to combat the dangers to us all. The terrorists, separatists, etc. The Coruscant Journal reported this week that a Star Destroyer was ambushed by another Star Destroyer. It's extraordinary. Under these circumstances, why shouldn't we all do our part? (Including Druckenwell's arms industry, which would surely profit from this bill).
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Thursday, 28 Apr 2011, 4:36 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Senator Fitzgerald, I too believe that every planet has the right to have its own defenses, such as a fleet, in place. Chandrila is, as I have been assured, quite well protected by the Empire. I will vote in favor of your proposal though, Senator.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Nasir | Date: Friday, 29 Apr 2011, 3:11 PM | Message # 10 |
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| I thought we always had the right to defend our self's. But I agree with the lovely senator Thanatos. In Favor.
Emir(Governor) Nasir Baqri of Abregado San
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| Slai-Fon | Date: Monday, 02 May 2011, 6:36 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Sounds fine to me. I mean as you've stated. We cannot expect the Empire to do everything for us. Anobis votes in Favor.
Slai-Fon Youngblood, Senator of Anobis, and the Bright Jewel sector
Chairman of ISEC (Imperial Senate Ethic's Committee.)
Chairman & CEO of K/Y deep.
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Tuesday, 03 May 2011, 2:22 PM | Message # 12 |
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| If a planet is in rebellion the Empire damn well has the right to take away or take out that planet's defenses. Or if the planet isnt repsonsible with its forces.. or if a Moff wants to consolidate the forces in his sector into one defense fleet or defense force. theres plenty of reasons. The Senator of Chandrila is exquisite in body and mind, and she got it right: if the Empire already defending a planet like Chandrila, why is "self defense" so important? Is it really a "right" and can't be "abridged" or delegated" even if the Empire decides theres a better way to defend the planet? Im not going to vote for a bill thats going to tell the Empire how it can or cant keep us safe. Thats not my job or your job, Ralltiir. All this "small government" talk... It sounds to me like you want a confederacy, not an empire. Planets armed and ready to secede when the time is right? No, no, no!
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Tuesday, 03 May 2011, 9:39 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Although his argument could use refinement, and I can not believe I am saying this, Governor Oswaldt is... right. This bill simply put, limits the Empire too much in dealing with insurrectionist movements, that one can only hope will never come. Nonetheless, a limitation in responding to such severe crisis' can not be imposed if we are to successfully govern, and defend, the Galaxy from chaos, disorder, and anarchy. I must vote Against.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Robert_North | Date: Tuesday, 03 May 2011, 9:44 PM | Message # 14 |
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| It is only by the Emperor's graces that any planet has an armed force of its own. How dare you, sir, try to impose your will in our glorious leader? This seditious dribble should not even be spoken in these chambers! I vote AGAINST!
The Honorable R.C.W. North
Senator of Imperial Center
Chairman of the Internal Activities Committee Mayor of the Galactic/Imperial City (22 BBY-18 BBY)
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Thursday, 05 May 2011, 4:43 PM | Message # 15 |
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| I have spoken with the planetary government of Telos IV and we have come to a conclusion that we cannot rely on the Empire to defend our homeworlds at all the time. The Imperial starfleet would be put to a better use if they were to spread out and combat several rebel and separatist factions that is taking several places throughout the galaxy. I have to agree with Senators Fitzgerald and Thanatos. A planet should always have a right and an availability of its own fleet to defend itself should a planet fall under attack. If I may boldly say so, I do not believe this is meant to plant seeds of rebellion on Imperial worlds but rather giving a planet the capability of defending itself on its own and to allow the Imperial starfleet to roam throughout the galaxy. This gives flexibility, of which makes our mighty starfleet a greater threat to those that rebel against His Majesty. This makes hunting down rebels a lot easier. Telos IV votes in favor.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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