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The Defence of the Shipping Industry Act
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 2:05 PM | Message # 16 |
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| Senator, the point is that they are working towards an oversight. As such, that element of your argument has no weight. Ah yes, if your problem with Druckenwell's battlecruiser is its ability to execute a base-delta-zero, then I will more than happily speak to Druckenwell's shipyards about removing the dozen turbolasers. I'm fairly confident we can protect our system with the vessel missing some of its armaments for a time. It's a bit difficult to... ah, what did you say? Level cities and worlds? Yes, it's a tad diffcult to do that with only ion cannons and concussion missiles.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 2:27 PM | Message # 17 |
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| Piffle. The issue is not with Druckenwell's posession with turbolaser weaponary.... The issue is with their being illegally produced by a black market shipyard, removing said weapons from ships under the control of the New Republic would seem a redundant act, the issue is to penalise customers of this blackmarket operator and to prevent it operating in future, not to prevent individual ships being able to cause harm, the fact remains however you modify these ships they are produced as weapons of mass destruction.
Moff of the Tammuz Sector
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| Mirkovig_Hirken_II | Date: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 3:18 PM | Message # 18 |
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| :: Mirkovig Hirken of the Corporate Sector Authority watched, with delight, the exchange in the Senate on the holo in his office on Bonadan, tens of thousands of light years removed from Coruscant. He even allowed himself a glass of champagne. His scheme, clearly, was working; the CSA had purchased a number of Ravak & Larben's vessels some time ago, for the sole purpose of reverse engineering them and building cheap, poor quality reproductions of them with which to flood the market anonymously. In the months that this had gone on, Ravak & Larben's ships had begun, slowly, to gain a reputation as death traps; life support was known to malfunction, as were weapons and shields, the hulls were known to be inadequate against turbolaser fire, and many of the vessels' controls and systems were known to be faulty. None of this traced back to the CSA, leaving unwitting customers across the galaxy to believe they had purchased the genuine article from Ravak & Larben Enterprises. Now, in this debate, Hirken was reaping what he'd sewn. ::
Mirkovig Hirken II
VicePrex, the Corporate Sector Authority
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 4:44 PM | Message # 19 |
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| I can see there is no point in arguing with you Senator Kruus. All I can say then, is give us one month from the signing of this bill to do our best to return the products we have purchased. If, by that time, we have not received a refund, then Druckenwell will turn over its vessel to the New Republic. I believe that is fair, yes? In the meantime, I will continue to fight for Ravak & Larben enterprises to be ratified.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 4:55 PM | Message # 20 |
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| I do not believe you should be able to return these death traps. The weapons should be destroyed, not returned to their shady salesmen so they can be resold.
Moff of the Tammuz Sector
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 5:11 PM | Message # 21 |
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| Fortunately, Senator, even you do not have the power to force us to do that. I will recommend that, for the time being, any who have purchased from Ravak & Larben Enterprises return their vessels until further notice. Druckenwell will certainly be pursuing this course of action. Regardless of what you claim, Senator, we have never had a problem with our vessel.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 5:27 PM | Message # 22 |
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| I may not have the power to order the seizure of these vessels. But the Senate surely does, as is the purpose of this act.
Moff of the Tammuz Sector
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 5:30 PM | Message # 23 |
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| I feel I must remind the Senate that some months ago I proposed a ban on capital ships in planetary fleets, which stipulated that "all such vessels currently in use will be required to be decommissioned within 6 months, and scrapped within 8 months." Senator Kruus called this measure unreasonable and crusaded uproariously against it. But whatever the reason for the Senator's apparent change of heart, I'm glad he's now willing to discuss the limits on the possession of what he has correctly referred to as "weapons of mass destruction" in this galaxy. As the Senate knows, this is an issue on which I am passionate. However, I do have some reservations on some of the articles of this measure. I must clarify, I am largely in agreement with the assessment of the Economics Council and the Commerce Council with regard to Ravak & Larben Enterprises; the company, I believe, is hiding something or, at the very least, is going to elaborate lengths to evade taxes. I also believe that the galaxy would be a more peaceful place if it were rid of Ravak & Larben's weapons of war. That said, however, a mere 7 days is an unreasonable amount of time to dispose of these vessels, especially considering the very strong penalties for noncompliance. This is, indeed, why the ban on capital ships that I proposed allowed for a period of 6 to 8 months. Also, despite my personal distaste for Ravak & Larben, I must question whether seizing the company and its assets is truly called for, considering that it is, in fact, seeking legitimate recognition and considering, also, that New Republic Intelligence has yet to conclude its investigation into the company's alleged improprieties. Senator Fowlkes, I believe, is correct in calling for a "wait and see" approach, especially considering that Ravak & Larben is already prohibited, in the meantime, from selling additional vessels in New Republic space. I am reluctant to support the rest of the Fowlkes Amendment however, because, recognizing the obvious need for serious reform with regard to the manufacture and sale of weapons of war, I intend to propose comprehensive legislation on the subject in the coming week which will, likely, incorporate many of Senator Fowlkes' ideas. As for this legislation, however, I must join with Senator Ryuun in calling for a more reasonable grace period for compliance. I also question the necessity of declaring Ravak & Larben a criminal company when we are not yet in possession of all the facts.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 5:41 PM | Message # 24 |
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| Senator Vanden, your words make more sense than the last dozen I have bandied with Senator Kruus. Between yourself and Senator Fowlkes, we may actually have some good common sense when it comes to this bill. When it comes to ensuring the company is not a criminal organization, I agree completely. Senator Kruus, it seems mine is not the only voice that believes certain elements of your bill are extreme.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 5:48 PM | Message # 25 |
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| This is fast becoming preposterous; the Senator of Ravak & Larben Enterprises, a moment ago, openly advised customers on the company's behalf. He is already under investigation by the Corruption Panel for his advocacy for this company, and if he continues to advocate for it so wantonly in this chamber I will propose he be suspended until the investigation of his relationship with Ravak & Larben is concluded. Mind yourself, Senator Ryuun; you speak for the people of Druckenwell, not Ravak & Larben Enterprises—a company which, incidentally, competes with Druckenwell's own shipbuilding industry. Come to think of it, has Senator Ryuun ever proposed anything of benefit to the people of Druckenwell? With respect to this measure, I remain sympathetic to it. The sale of Ravak & Larben ships to New Republic worlds is currently prohibited, and it stands to reason that possession might be prohibited as well. However, Senators Ryuun and Vanden are correct that the company is petitioning for recognition, and that this process is presently ongoing.
Message edited by Reuke_Cambrist - Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 5:49 PM |
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 6:10 PM | Message # 26 |
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| Mr Vanden, Ravak and Larben IS a criminal company. Guilty if nothing else of producing capital ships without a permit, and of producing vessels which do not meet NR Safety Standards.
Moff of the Tammuz Sector
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 6:18 PM | Message # 27 |
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| Senator Kruus, if Ravak and Larben is a criminal company, then why did they come up to Senator Cambrist and want to make themselves legit? I am pretty sure that they would be willing to meet the New Republic Safety Standards, otherwise they'd just roam around and doing everything illegal. Once again, I believe I mentioned something about a "wait-and-see" approach. We should allow Senator Cambrist do his job and determine Ravak and Larben's status. Tremaine Fowlkes,
Senator of Mowgle
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 6:21 PM | Message # 28 |
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| Also, Senator Kruus, what of the grace period? Surely there must be time to disseminate to these worlds the appropriate citations and information, and they must have time to make what arrangements they will. Not to mention, crews will need to remove themselves and their effects from these vessels, and these planets will no doubt desire to remove any sensitive information from the computers and databanks onboard. Not to mention, these worlds should be given time to arrange an adequate defense in the absense of these vessels. I still believe that 7 days is an unreasonable amount of time for this task. And believe me, I am not even sympathetic to Ravak & Larben customers although I do thank Senator Ryuun for his words.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
Message edited by Artemis_Vanden - Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 6:33 PM |
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| Ponc_Gavrisom | Date: Thursday, 13 May 2010, 12:12 PM | Message # 29 |
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| As this is an important motion, requiring swift action, and has not been debated on for 48 hours. With five votes in favour and three against, this motion passes in its original form, Ravak and Larben and its products are as such now largely proscribed.
Ponc Gavrisom
Chief of State
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Thursday, 13 May 2010, 3:32 PM | Message # 30 |
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| As a matter of procedure, Mr. President, there has been no debate for 48 hours because Senator Kruus has yet to respond to the entreaties of multiple Senators with respect to the grace period on this legislation. I do not believe that the circumstances preference the passage of this act, as the question that has yet to be answered could be decisive to the votes of several Senators, including mine. There is also an irregularity in the vote tally: I count 4 votes in favor to 2 opposed, not 5 to 3. I am ready to support this bill, as I believe it is important to rid the galaxy of these monstrosities produced by Ravak & Larben, a company that adds the panache of subterfuge to its reprehensible business of war. But I can only support the bill in a form that is not prejudicial to New Republic member worlds, as the Chief of State himself has noted in the debate on the recent ban on capital ships.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
Message edited by Artemis_Vanden - Thursday, 13 May 2010, 3:36 PM |
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